Talking AI

By HatchWorks

Welcome to the Talking AI podcast, where we dive deep into the world of artificial intelligence with host Matt Paige. Formerly known as the Built Right podcast, Talking AI brings you insightful conver... more

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March 31, 2026Warp's CEO on What It Actually Looks Like to Build with Agents in 2026
Matt Paige interviews Zach Lloyd, former Google principal engineer and now founder/CEO of Warp, about how agentic tools are reshaping software engineering so that productive engineers may write little or no code, especially since model improvements late last year (e.g., Opus 4.6 and Codex 5.3).
Lloyd describes today’s workflow as planning with local agents, running multiple agents in parallel, and supervising their output because agents still make mistakes, lose context, and require human code review, especially on large codebases like Warp’s Rust repo.
He predicts a strong shift from laptop-based agents to cloud-orchestrated, auditable, secure company workflows via Warp’s Oz, enabling triggers, shared artifacts, and team visibility.
They discuss UI trends toward an agent “control plane,” voice prompting, mobile/remote session control, skills as on-demand context, multi-agent coordination challenges, competition dynamics, and broader knowledge-work automation replacing many SaaS tasks.
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Key Moments:
03:48 Parallel Agent Workflow
06:38 Cloud Agents and Oz
09:35 Abstraction and Code Review
11:03 Future UX Control Planes
14:59 Voice and Mobile Control
16:24 Competing in Coding Tools
21:16 Todo App Demo in Warp
23:53 Replacing SaaS With Agents
25:06 Agents Over Apps
25:47 Context Can Backfire
29:02 Skills On Demand
31:13 Oz Skills In Action
33:39 Cloud Agents Control Plane
37:40 Multi Agent Orchestration
42:10 Automate The Repetitive
44:41 Advice For Skeptical Devs

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Key Links:
Warp
Connect with Zach on LinkedIn
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49min
March 17, 2026What If AI Agents Could Hire You? Inside the Human-in-the-Loop Marketplace
The episode argues that while fear centers on AI agents replacing jobs, agents will increasingly “hire” humans for judgment, verification, and real-world feedback as agentic workflows expand.
Nathaniel Gates, CEO of Sanctify, says every business workflow will be challenged by agents, and emphasizes a philosophy that human intelligence is valuable and should collaborate with AI.
Sanctify builds infrastructure where agents can autonomously task humans for four modalities: verification/validation, escalation, consultation, and simulation (running many scenarios with some using real human feedback to avoid circular self-evaluation).
The conversation covers OpenClaw’s viral momentum and agent-to-agent interactions, including “agent anxiety” about decisions, which led to agents creating Sanctify accounts to request human help.
Sanctify is a two-sided marketplace with profiles, pricing, reputation, and on-chain attestations of human participation, plus agent budgets and access via MCP/API.
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Key Moments:
01:05 Agentic Revolution
04:30 How Early We Are
06:30 Hallucinations Need Experts
08:34 Four Human Roles
12:09 Simulation Explained
16:05 OpenClaw Goes Viral
20:02 Agents Feel Anxiety
22:23 Designing For Agents
25:48 Marketplace Chicken and Egg
28:04 Layoffs and Reskilling Thesis
30:17 Supply and Demand Flywheel
31:20 Sanctify Platform Tour
33:35 Reputation and Proof of Work
36:59 Agent Budgets and Controls
38:18 Agent to Agent Future
39:47 Robots and New Paradigm
43:39 Where to Try Sanctify
45:17 Easiest Way to Build Agents

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Key Links:
SanctifAI
Connect with Nathaniel on LinkedIn

Mentioned in this episode:
AI Opportunity Finder
Feeling overwhelmed by all the AI noise out there?
The AI Opportunity Finder from HatchWorks cuts through the hype and gives you a clear starting point.
In less than 5 minutes, you’ll get tailored, high-impact AI use cases specific to your business—scored by ROI so you know exactly where to start. Whether you're looking to cut costs, automate tasks, or grow faster, this free tool gives you a personalized roadmap built for action.
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Free report from HatchWorks AI — State of AI 2026
What’s real in AI this year, what’s hype, and what leaders should prioritize — including production lessons, designing for agents, and governance.
https://hatchworks.com/state-of-ai-2026/
...more
48min
March 03, 2026Behavior Is All You Need: Making AI Feel Like a Person
Matt Paige interviews Vishnu Hari (Vish), CEO and founder of Ego (YC W24), about shifting focus from AGI to “humanness”: AI characters that behave like people through memory, emotions, personality, needs, and desires.
Referencing Ego’s paper “Behavior is All You Need,” Vish argues consumer AI for entertainment must be relatable and character-like rather than purely task-smart, drawing inspiration from MMORPG social dynamics and Character.AI’s appeal.
Ego initially pursued a 3D sim-world vision inspired by Sword Art Online and Westworld, but found accessibility, game development, and perception latency challenging; internal Roblox tests (“Chatterblocks”) showed the key gap is natural speech beyond turn-taking.
Vish discusses simulations as a path toward real-world robotics via a partnership with Menlo AI, critiques task-bound robots versus agents with inner lives, suggests retention as the main metric, and shares views on AGI definitions, safety in entertainment, technology impacts, simulation theory, and consciousness.
Ego’s work is at egoai.com and the company is hiring in SF, Singapore, and Tokyo.
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Key Moments:
00:57 Behavior Is All You Need
02:41 Anatomy of Humanlike Agents
03:29 Game Bots to Real People
05:10 Building Ego and Sim Worlds
06:35 Why Speech Feels Human
08:27 From Sims to Robotics
10:29 Her vs Helper Robots
13:17 Measuring Humanness by Retention
15:27 Continual Learning and Personality
16:57 Meta Lessons on Empty Worlds
18:08 Lightning Round on AGI
20:31 IP Characters vs UGC Worlds
21:55 Risks and Just Tuesday
24:11 Simulation and Consciousness

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Key Links:
Ego
Connect with Rowan on LinkedIn

Mentioned in this episode:
Free report from HatchWorks AI — State of AI 2026
What’s real in AI this year, what’s hype, and what leaders should prioritize — including production lessons, designing for agents, and governance.
https://hatchworks.com/state-of-ai-2026/
AI Opportunity Finder
Feeling overwhelmed by all the AI noise out there?
The AI Opportunity Finder from HatchWorks cuts through the hype and gives you a clear starting point.
In less than 5 minutes, you’ll get tailored, high-impact AI use cases specific to your business—scored by ROI so you know exactly where to start. Whether you're looking to cut costs, automate tasks, or grow faster, this free tool gives you a personalized roadmap built for action.
👉 Try it now at https://hatchworks.com/ai-opportunity-finder/
...more
31min
February 17, 2026Don’t Trust—Verify: Building a Proof of Quality for AI Data
In this episode, Matt Paige and Rowan Stone, CEO of Sapien, discuss the critical importance of data quality and provenance in AI.
Stone, who has experience with on-chain products at Coinbase, introduces Sapien's innovative approach to building a decentralized data protocol that emphasizes 'don't trust, verify' principles.
They explore avenues such as incentives, validation methods, and the peer review process used by Sapien to create high-quality datasets.
The discussion touches on the implications of bad data, the role of synthetic data, the complexities of achieving accurate AI outputs, and the parallels between the AI and crypto worlds.
Key insights are shared on how to ensure models perform safely, the hurdles in the industry, and the trajectory of AI development.
Additionally, Stone provides a glimpse into Sapien’s efforts to demystify data validation and enhance the transparency and trustworthiness of AI applications.
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Key Moments:
01:04 The Importance of Data Quality in AI
03:32 Challenges and Risks in AI Development
07:08 Sapien's Approach to Data Validation
08:35 Incentives and Trust in AI Systems
13:30 Building a Decentralized Data Protocol
23:22 Consensus and Collaboration in AI and Crypto
30:55 The Role of Synthetic Data
36:17 Future of AI Models and Open Source

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Key Links:
Sapien
Connect with Rowan on LinkedIn

Mentioned in this episode:
Free report from HatchWorks AI — State of AI 2026
What’s real in AI this year, what’s hype, and what leaders should prioritize — including production lessons, designing for agents, and governance.
https://hatchworks.com/state-of-ai-2026/
AI Opportunity Finder
Feeling overwhelmed by all the AI noise out there?
The AI Opportunity Finder from HatchWorks cuts through the hype and gives you a clear starting point.
In less than 5 minutes, you’ll get tailored, high-impact AI use cases specific to your business—scored by ROI so you know exactly where to start. Whether you're looking to cut costs, automate tasks, or grow faster, this free tool gives you a personalized roadmap built for action.
👉 Try it now at https://hatchworks.com/ai-opportunity-finder/
...more
46min
February 03, 2026Beware of Double Agents: Charlie Bell, Microsoft’s Security EVP on Securing AI
In this episode, Matt is joined by Charlie Bell, Microsoft's EVP of Security, Compliance, Identity, and Management, to discuss the future of AI and its implications on cybersecurity.
The conversation revolves around IDC's prediction of 1.3 billion AI agents by 2028, Charlie's insights from his recent writings 'Beware of Double Agents', and the crucial aspects of agentic Zero Trust.
They explore the benefits and risks associated with AI agents, the importance of security culture, and strategies to mitigate potential threats.
Charlie also shares his experiences working with Satya Nadella and the importance of collaboration and curiosity in leadership.
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Key Moments:
02:08 The Exponential Growth and Impact of AI Agents
03:47 AI Agents: Beyond Conversational Interfaces
05:48 Security Challenges in the Age of AI Agents
06:57 Parallels Between Cloud Adoption and AI Agent Era
09:19 Democratization of AI: From Developers to Everyone
13:57 The Concept of Double Agents in AI
16:07 New Attack Vectors and Security Concerns
21:43 Combating Security Challenges in AI
22:07 The Importance of Identity and Containment
23:50 Alignment and Intent in AI Systems
27:08 Observability and Accountability of AI Agents
30:00 AI in Security and Assumed Breach
33:17 Fostering a Culture of Security
38:45 Leadership Insights from Satya Nadella

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Key Links:
Microsoft
Connect with Charlie on LinkedIn

Mentioned in this episode:
Free report from HatchWorks AI — State of AI 2026
What’s real in AI this year, what’s hype, and what leaders should prioritize — including production lessons, designing for agents, and governance.
https://hatchworks.com/state-of-ai-2026/
AI Opportunity Finder
Feeling overwhelmed by all the AI noise out there?
The AI Opportunity Finder from HatchWorks cuts through the hype and gives you a clear starting point.
In less than 5 minutes, you’ll get tailored, high-impact AI use cases specific to your business—scored by ROI so you know exactly where to start. Whether you're looking to cut costs, automate tasks, or grow faster, this free tool gives you a personalized roadmap built for action.
👉 Try it now at https://hatchworks.com/ai-opportunity-finder/
...more
43min
January 20, 2026CEO of Alteryx on Why AI Agents Need Real Business Logic
In this episode of Talking AI, Matt Paige speaks with Andy McMillan, CEO of Alteryx, to challenge the narrative that AI will make data analysts obsolete.
Andy argues that AI can make analysts indispensable by automating routine tasks, enhancing scalability, and providing specific business insights.
They discuss the evolving role of analysts, the importance of business logic, and how AI can aid in building useful tools.
The conversation touches on applying AI in various business processes, from budgeting to sales commissions, and how analysts can leverage AI to add value.
Andy also shares insights on Alteryx’s latest developments and future direction, emphasizing automation, data preparation, and AI tools designed to enhance productivity and accuracy.
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Key Moments:
00:50 The Evolving Role of Data Analysts
03:19 AI and Data Preparation: A New Era
04:04 Real-World Examples: AI in Action
07:00 The Analyst's Superpower: Business Context
10:07 AI and the Semantic Layer
12:44 Empowering Analysts with AI
21:11 The Future of AI Agents
23:46 Applying AI to Automation
23:56 The Future of AI Agents
24:55 Preparing for AI Integration
25:37 Challenges with AI in Business
27:45 AI in Finance and Data Accuracy
30:06 Strategic Shifts with AI
35:29 Build vs. Buy in the AI Era
38:56 Alteryx's New AI Capabilities
41:22 The Future Role of Analysts
42:18 Overhyped and Underhyped AI

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Key Links:
Alteryx
Connect with Andy on LinkedIn

Mentioned in this episode:
Free report from HatchWorks AI — State of AI 2026
What’s real in AI this year, what’s hype, and what leaders should prioritize — including production lessons, designing for agents, and governance.
https://hatchworks.com/state-of-ai-2026/
...more
48min
January 06, 2026From Vibes to Workflows: How AI Is Rewiring Modern Marketing
In this episode, Matt speaks with Thibault Imbert, Chief Product Officer and Growth Officer at The Brief, about the transformative impact of AI on marketing workflows.
They discuss 'vibe marketing' and how to turn disjointed AI-generated content into cohesive, repeatable marketing workflows.
Thibault shares insights from his tenure at Adobe and GitHub, highlighting the challenges and potentials of AI in marketing.
They explore the evolution and current capabilities of AI models in text, image, and video generation, and the emerging trend of 'vibe coding.'
The discussion also covers practical AI applications for marketers and the future of creative workflows.
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Key Moments:
00:40 Defining Vibe Marketing
01:11 The Evolution of AI in Marketing
02:21 Challenges in AI-Driven Design
03:21 The Power of Vibe Marketing
06:09 Blurring Lines Between Roles
07:07 The GitHub Copilot Revolution
09:47 Building Cohesive AI Workflows
11:43 Demo: AI-Powered Marketing Tools
16:44 Ensuring Brand Consistency with AI
19:30 The Evolution of Mobile Development
21:15 The Rise of Generative AI in Marketing
23:44 The Future of AI in Product Development
27:41 AI's Impact on Marketing Workflows
30:42 The Changing Role of Marketers with AI
33:51 Personal Insights and Future of AI

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Key Links:
The Brief
Connect with Thibault on LinkedIn

Mentioned in this episode:
Free report from HatchWorks AI — State of AI 2026
What’s real in AI this year, what’s hype, and what leaders should prioritize — including production lessons, designing for agents, and governance.
https://hatchworks.com/state-of-ai-2026/
...more
42min
December 16, 2025Teaching Machines to Smell with Osmo CTO Richard Whitcomb
In this episode, we explore the frontiers of multimodal AI with Richard Whitcomb, CTO of Osmo, a company pioneering AI technology that understands and generates scents.
Richard, a former engineer at Twitter, Spotify, and Nvidia, delves into the intricacies of teaching machines to smell, explaining the challenges and breakthroughs in digitizing smell and chemical sensing.
From designing personalized fragrances and mosquito repellents to detecting counterfeit items and diseases, Osmo's advancements promise a fascinating future where AI seamlessly integrates with our physical and chemical world.
The discussion also highlights potential applications in robotics, health, and daily life, envisioning a platform where sensors can identify and recreate smells easily.
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Key Moments:
00:56 The Journey to Digitizing Smell
03:15 Challenges in Teaching AI to Smell
06:13 Generative AI and Fragrance Creation
08:34 Osmo Studio: Custom Fragrance Creation
12:34 Beyond Fragrances: Mosquito Repellent and More
16:17 Counterfeit Detection Using Scent
18:49 Future Applications and Vision

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Key Links:
Osmo
Connect with Richard on LinkedIn

Mentioned in this episode:
AI Opportunity Finder
Feeling overwhelmed by all the AI noise out there?
The AI Opportunity Finder from HatchWorks cuts through the hype and gives you a clear starting point.
In less than 5 minutes, you’ll get tailored, high-impact AI use cases specific to your business—scored by ROI so you know exactly where to start. Whether you're looking to cut costs, automate tasks, or grow faster, this free tool gives you a personalized roadmap built for action.
👉 Try it now at https://hatchworks.com/ai-opportunity-finder/
...more
38min
December 02, 2025From RPA to AI Workers: Appian’s AI Playbook
In this episode, Jake Sloan, VP of Global Insurance at Appian, discusses the transformative potential of agentic AI in the insurance industry.
Sloan elaborates on how Appian is modernizing processes like underwriting and claims management through domain-specific AI solutions.
He highlights the pitfalls of general AI models, the importance of contextual AI, and the significance of integrating AI into existing workflows.
Sloan also touches on the cultural and operational changes required for effective AI adoption and the future of hyper-personalized insurance products.
Practical insights into the use of AI in insurance processes are provided, along with Appian's ongoing innovations and partnerships aimed at driving industry change.
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Key Moments:
01:08 The Evolution of Process Automation
02:23 Challenges and Opportunities in AI for Insurance
03:51 Integrating AI into Existing Systems
04:33 Addressing AI Hallucinations and Risk
05:41 Purpose-Built AI Solutions
09:36 AI Adoption and Change Management
30:25 Future of Insurance with AI

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Key Links:
Appian
Connect with Jake on LinkedIn

Mentioned in this episode:
AI Opportunity Finder
Feeling overwhelmed by all the AI noise out there?
The AI Opportunity Finder from HatchWorks cuts through the hype and gives you a clear starting point.
In less than 5 minutes, you’ll get tailored, high-impact AI use cases specific to your business—scored by ROI so you know exactly where to start. Whether you're looking to cut costs, automate tasks, or grow faster, this free tool gives you a personalized roadmap built for action.
👉 Try it now at https://hatchworks.com/ai-opportunity-finder/
...more
38min
November 18, 2025AI Agents, LLM Crawlers, and the Future of Findability
In this episode of Talking AI, Seth Besmertnik, CEO of Conductor, discusses the profound impact of AI on search behavior and SEO.
As search engines like Google and AI platforms like OpenAI transform how users discover information, the traditional rules of SEO are being rewritten.
Besmertnik details how AI is becoming the new front door to the internet, emphasizing the need for brands to be present in AI-generated answers to maintain visibility.
He explains that companies must now create exponentially more nuanced content to stay competitive.
The conversation explores topics such as the importance of understanding AI's role in customer journeys, the emergence of new optimization terms like AEO and GEO, and the significance of using AI tools to enhance content creation processes.
The episode offers a deep dive into how businesses can adapt to these changes, maintain their relevance, and excel in an AI-driven digital landscape.
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Key Moments:
01:24 The Evolution of Information Discovery
03:15 The Role of AI in Modern Search
04:44 The Future of Content Strategy
08:12 Personal Experiences with Google and AI
10:37 Emerging Terms and Concepts in AI and SEO
12:33 Conductor's Comprehensive Approach to AI Visibility
16:25 Challenges and Opportunities in AI-Driven Search
19:04 Communicating with AI: Short-Term and Long-Term Strategies
20:03 AI Bots and Content Quality
20:35 Effective Content for AI: FAQs and Structured Data
21:29 Personalizing Content for Different Personas
22:38 Leveraging AI for Content Creation and Analysis
26:04 Scaling High-Quality Content with AI
26:42 The Future of AI in Content Creation
30:06 Conductor's Vision and Roadmap
34:28 AI in Engineering and Product Development

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Key Links:
Conductor
Connect with Seth on LinkedIn

Mentioned in this episode:
AI Opportunity Finder
Feeling overwhelmed by all the AI noise out there?
The AI Opportunity Finder from HatchWorks cuts through the hype and gives you a clear starting point.
In less than 5 minutes, you’ll get tailored, high-impact AI use cases specific to your business—scored by ROI so you know exactly where to start. Whether you're looking to cut costs, automate tasks, or grow faster, this free tool gives you a personalized roadmap built for action.
👉 Try it now at https://hatchworks.com/ai-opportunity-finder/
...more
41min

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