Talking Ketamine Podcast

This episode dives into the real experiences and personal stories of individuals who have undergone ketamine-assisted therapy (KAT), exploring how this approach might differ from using ketamine alone. The discussion is based on a phenomenological study that conducted in-depth interviews with 10 people six or more months after they completed ketamine assisted psychotherapy (PAT/KAT/PAP).

Participants shared their motivations for seeking KAT, often after traditional therapies felt ineffective or insufficient for their deep-seated issues, sometimes complicated by physical health problems. The study sought the “real lived story” of what happens when ketamine is combined with therapy, what shifts occur, and if they are lasting.

Key insights from their experiences during KAT sessions included profound emotional release and catharsis. Sessions were varied and deeply personal. A significant focus was working on core negative beliefs like “I’m not good enough” and finding self-acceptance, potentially aided by the altered state and the therapeutic relationship.

Looking back months later, participants reported significant, lasting improvements in emotional regulation and coping with stress. They described healthier relationships with self and others, including setting boundaries, and engaged in self-care practices. These changes were consistently described as a “turning point,” “catalyst,” or “profound transformation”.

These accounts offer a sense of hope and provide compelling insights about the value and impact of combining ketamine with dedicated therapy.

Bricker, M. K. (2025). Understanding Change Following Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy: A Phenomenological Study. (Doctoral dissertation, Liberty University). https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7899&context=doctoral

Step inside a ketamine therapy session for depression, from the patient’s point of view. In this episode of Talking Ketamine (episode 13), we look at the immediate personal experience, drawing on a qualitative study published in 2021. This study interviewed 13 people with treatment-resistant depression about what it was like during and right after their ketamine infusions.

Participants described initial sensations during the infusion including a feeling like a high, enhanced perception (sounds and sights more intense, colors more vibrant), and dissociation, sometimes feeling detached or having an out-of-body experience. Many also felt very relaxed, even sleepy.

In the hours and days following the infusion, many reported a significant uplifted feeling and a real brightened mood. They described feeling bright, using phrases like having “fire in their belly”, and contrasting it with depression, which felt like “lifting darkness away like a weight just gone”.

Beyond mood, there was a noticeable boost in motivation and the ability to do everyday tasks they’d struggled with, like cooking or being sociable. Relationships could feel stronger. Cognitively, people had more positive thoughts and fewer negative ones. A very significant finding was a major reduction in suicidal ideation, moving towards wanting to live again and seeing a future. Some felt their mindset was reframed or reprogrammed, describing the change as going from “gray and black” to “technicolor”.

The experience was also shaped by the conducive and safe environment and feeling supported by caring staff.

Important Note: The study highlighted that not everyone responds the same way, some are non-responders, and the duration of positive effects varies greatly. However, these firsthand accounts offer powerful insights into the potential impact of ketamine for those with severe depression.

Griffiths, C., Walker, K., Reid, I., Maravic da Silva, K., & O’Neill-Kerr, A. (2021). A qualitative study of patients’ experience of ketamine treatment for depression: The ‘Ketamine and me’ project. Journal of Affective Disorders Reports, 4, 100079. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jadr.2021.100079

Join us to explore a surprising link: Ketamine and lung cancer outcomes. Intraoperative Ketamine, used during surgery for Non-Small Cell Lung Cancer (NSCLC), is linked to a lower rate of cancer recurrence. This is unexpected for an anesthetic.

But here’s the paradox: a study found that weeks after surgery, the Ketamine group had more circulating rare events (CRE) – tumor-associated cells/fragments in the blood.

How can more of these potentially concerning events mean better long-term results (less recurrence)?

Researchers hypothesize Ketamine might disrupt the tumor environment, increasing shedding. The intriguing idea is that this temporary increase could make shed cancer cells/fragments more visible or vulnerable to the body’s immune system or treatments.

This challenges the simple view that more circulating biomarkers are not always bad. It suggests Ketamine could unexpectedly modulate tumor biology. We discuss this early research, which includes contributions from a cancer survivor and aspiring physician-scientist.

Tune in to unpack this fascinating possibility!

The papers used in this episode:

Shah, A., Shishido, S., Mason, J., Fischer, G. W., Amar, D., Desiderio, D., et al. (2025). Circulating rare events as a biomarker of anti-tumoral effect of ketamine therapy in non-small cell lung cancer [abstract]. In Proceedings of the American Association for Cancer Research Annual Meeting 2025; Part 1 (Regular Abstracts); 2025 Apr 25-30; Chicago, IL. Philadelphia (PA): AACR; Cancer Res 2025;85(8_Suppl_1):Abstract nr 1978 https://doi.org/10.1158/1538-7445.AM2025-1978

Bai, L., Courcoubetis, G., Mason, J., Hicks, J. B., Nieva, J., Kuhn, P., & Shishido, S. N. (2024). Longitudinal tracking of circulating rare events in the liquid biopsy of stage III-IV non-small cell lung cancer patients. Discover Oncology, 15(1), 142. https://doi.org/10.1007/s12672-024-00984-4

Article about the Lead Author, Anya Shah:

Levin, R. B. (2024, July 11). Cancer survivor and aspiring physician-scientist pioneers lung cancer liquid biopsy. USC Dornsife Magazine. https://dornsife.usc.edu/magazine/the-detectives-apprentice/

Dive into episode 10 as we build upon our discussion of ketamine’s rapid antidepressant effects from episode 9! This time, we explore a fascinating frontier: using automated tools and ketamine games to help those positive changes stick around longer.

Discover how researchers are investigating interactive computer programs, like apps, to engage the brain’s neuroplasticity and solidify the benefits of ketamine. We’ll delve into Rejoyn, an FDA-authorized prescription digital therapeutic that combines brain training exercises and therapy lessons for adults with depression on medication. While not specifically for use with ketamine, its approach of leveraging neuroplasticity to rebuild connections and rework emotional processing echoes the potential we discussed.

We also examine the exciting concept of ketamine games, inspired by the principles of Automated Self-Association Training (ASAT) explored in episode 9, which aims to boost self-worth and prolong ketamine’s effects by using positive reinforcement, smiling faces, and personalized elements. Could these innovative, low-cost, and portable techniques be the key to extending relief from depression after ketamine treatment? Tune in to find out!

Information for this episode came from these sources:

Ketamine.games. (n.d.). Games. Retrieved from https://ketamine.games/games

Ketamine.games. (n.d.). Inspiration. Retrieved from https://ketamine.games/inspiration

Ketamine.games. (n.d.). Ketamine Games. Retrieved from https://ketamine.games/

Rejoyn. (n.d.). The science. Retrieved from https://www.rejoyn.com/the-science

Talking Ketamine. (n.d.). Extending the benefits of ketamine treatment (No. 9) [Audio podcast episode]. Retrieved from https://talkingketamine.com/episode-9-extending-the-benefits-of-ketamine-treatment/

This podcast episode provides a brief overview of Ketamine-Assisted Therapy (KAT), a therapeutic approach that integrates ketamine medication with psychological work to help individuals facing health challenges. Listeners can expect to learn about how KAT differs from regular talk therapy through the involvement of ketamine, which can induce altered perceptions and feelings.

The episode outlines the structured process of KAT, including preparation sessions to understand the therapy and set intentions, the ketamine session itself in a comfortable setting often with music, and crucial integration sessions to process the experience. You’ll hear about the emphasis on “set and setting”, including the importance of a calm environment and the guiding role of music.

The discussion also touches on the potential for intense experiences and feelings of vulnerability after a session, highlighting the need for support. The episode emphasizes that while KAT offers hope, particularly for those who haven’t found relief with traditional treatments, it is not a magic bullet and everyone’s experience can differ.

This podcast is based on:

Stockwell, G., Hoeh, N. R., Fogarty, F., Clayden, C., & Reynolds, L. (2025). Understanding the experience of ketamine-assisted therapy and the importance of context. Journal of Psychoactive Drugs. Advance online publication. https://doi.org/10.1080/02791072.2025.2527299

Episode 7 of Talking Ketamine explores the groundbreaking potential of ketamine as a treatment for PTSD. This episode examines a recent study on how a single dose of ketamine, combined with trauma-focused therapy, affects individuals with chronic PTSD. Discover how ketamine may promote flexibility in brain pathways, potentially rewiring the brain's response to traumatic memories, and explore how these changes might feel for someone undergoing treatment. While highlighting that ketamine treatment for PTSD is still experimental, this offers a hopeful glimpse into the future of mental health treatment and the incredible ability of the brain to heal.

The study in this episode:

Duek, O., Korem, N., Li, Y., Kelmendi, B., Amen, S., Gordon, C., et al. (2023). Long term structural and functional neural changes following a single infusion of Ketamine in PTSD. Neuropsychopharmacology, 48(12), 2056–2066. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41386-023-01606-3

Episode 7 of Talking Ketamine explores the groundbreaking potential of ketamine as a treatment for PTSD. This episode examines a recent study on how a single dose of ketamine, combined with trauma-focused therapy, affects individuals with chronic PTSD. Discover how ketamine may promote flexibility in brain pathways, potentially rewiring the brain’s response to traumatic memories, and explore how these changes might feel for someone undergoing treatment. While highlighting that ketamine treatment for PTSD is still experimental, this offers a hopeful glimpse into the future of mental health treatment and the incredible ability of the brain to heal.

The study in this episode:

Duek, O., Korem, N., Li, Y., Kelmendi, B., Amen, S., Gordon, C., et al. (2023). Long term structural and functional neural changes following a single infusion of Ketamine in PTSD. Neuropsychopharmacology, 48(12), 2056–2066. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41386-023-01606-3

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This podcast episode discusses ketamine therapy and the crucial role music plays in enhancing its effectiveness. The speakers explain the three phases of a ketamine session (pre-peak, peak, and post-peak) and how music with varying tempos and keys can support the emotional journey through each stage. They emphasize the importance of choosing music that matches the patient’s intentions and preferences, avoiding familiar songs with lyrics. Various musical genres are suggested, highlighting the collaborative process between therapist, patient, and music in achieving therapeutic goals.

The study in this episode can be found:

Chenette, C. I. (2024). Clinician Education: Optimizing Music Choices for Ketamine-Assisted Psychotherapy. (Doctor of Nursing Practice project, The University of Arizona). https://www.proquest.com/openview/19a2c2c6d6c6325cd02118cf992d6f7d/1