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When we decided to travel back to Taiwan to cover the vote to recall 24 KMT legislators on July 26th we had no idea how things would turn out. The Great Recall (or da ba mian) as it came to be known in Taiwan, was notable not just because it led to a record number of 31 KMT legislators in total being put up for a recall vote. What was most impressive about is that it was a nationwide effort that started at a grassroots level by everyday people.

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It's been incredible to watch everything leading up to the Great Recall. Going back to last May in 2024 during what came to be known as the Bluebird Movement when tens of thousands of people and upwards of 100,000 took to the streets of Taiwan in a series of protests against controversial bills proposed in the legislative yuan. What happened during the Bluebird Movement protests is said to be what in part galvanized citizens to organize the recall campaigns.

I can't deny that our hopes were high for the results of the July 26th recall vote and after we learned that none of the KMT legislators were successfully recalled, we did our best during the remaining days of our time in Taiwan to try to make sense of the results by talking to a number of our friends and peers.

What you'll hear in this episode are some sound bites from conversations we had on July 30th with Rath Wang, Safe Spaces Senior Policy Fellow and Dennis Chen, Chairman of Wikimedia Taiwan. They shared their observations and thoughts on why the recalls failed, the recall campaigners and what the results of the recall vote could mean for President Lai.

Later that day I also spoke with Morrison Lee a Taiwanese businessman who went to China on what was supposed to be a 48-hour trip and ended up getting detained and stuck there for nearly 4 years. Morrison talked about his personal involvement in the recall effort also shared his thoughts on why the recall votes failed.

As mentioned, recall campaign groups succeeded in putting up a total of 31 KMT legislators for a recall vote. Another 7 legislators will be up for a recall vote on August 23rd.

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As part of our great recall coverage in Taiwan, on July 25th the day before the vote to recall 24 Kuomintang (KMT) legislators, we sat down to interview A-Mei the spokesperson for the Shān chú wēi hài (山除薇害) recall group.

We talked about why she got involved in the recall effort, how she got doxed by the Kuomintang (KMT) and how the recall effort was supported by overseas Taiwanese in over 38 cities from over 20 different countries. We previously interviewed three recall campaigners from this group- Carol, Eric and Acho in episode 316. We were also with A-Mei and the recall group on the day of the recall vote July 26th to watch the results of the recall vote.

Special thanks to Mei-Ling Lin for her translation assistance.

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This is a part of our continued coverage of Taiwan's Great Recall. On July 26th, the people of Taiwan voted on whether or not to recall 24 Kuomintang KMT legislators from all across the island. None of the 24 KMT legislators were recalled. This was a blow to the Democratic Progressive Party that could have benefited from a rebalancing of the legislative yuan since it only has 51 of the 113 seats in the legislative yuan or congress.

Among the concerns that motivated these civil society recall groups to take action were the unchecked visits of KMT legislators with high level officials in China. In April of 2024 KMT caucus convener Fu Kun-chi led a delegation of 17 KMT legislators to China where they met with the head of China's United Front. When asked the delegation has not been transparent about what was discussed in the meetings with Chinese officials.

Two days after the recall vote, on July 28th , I sat down with Jiho Chang 張之豪, Keelung City Councilor who shared how he faced a retaliatory recall by the KMT. He discussed his thoughts on the outcome of the July 26th recall vote and what this means for the DPP.

On August 23 another 7 KMT legislators will be put up for a recall vote.

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On July 27th the day after Taiwan's island wide historic recall vote of 24 Chinese Nationalist Kuomintang (KMT) legislators, I sat down with Linda Gail Arrigo, Ai Linda (艾琳達) to reflect on the results of the recall vote, and the impact of the civic mobilization behind the recall effort.

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On July 26th the day of the historic vote to recall 24 Kuomintang (KMT) legislators we were with the Shān chú wēi hài (山除薇害) recall group in Taipei at Rongxing Garden (榮星花園) Rongxing garden, which is more like a park, for a sort of watch party with about a hundred volunteer recall campaigners. The recall vote results were being televised live on a series of oversized screens that had been set up in the park.

When we finally learned the results of the recall vote It was a shock. 0 of 24 legislators had been recalled. What a sad, disappointing day. I could see it in the faces of the recall volunteers and at the same time it was touching to see how they consoled each other as some could help but burst into tears. The leaders of the recall group asked everyone to join hands and to form a circle in a sign of solidarity and encouragement Carol and Eric shared their initial thoughts with us.

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On our first day in Taiwan July 25th we went into the streets of Taipei where recall campaigners from the the Shān chú wēi hài (山除薇害) recall group were doing a last minute push asking people to get out and vote for the recall of 24 KMT legislators on July 26th.

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We previously interviewed 3 recall campaigners from this group- Carol, Eric and Acho in episode 316. Eric explaining the meaning behind the recall group's name.

Later that day we sat down to interview A-Mei the recall group's spokesperson who was doxed by the Kuomintang.

We will be releasing our full interview with A-Mei at a later date so stay tuned for that.

We ended the night at a recall campaign rally so spirited that you'd never guess that we were all standing in the pouring rain getting soaked.

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Summer is upon us and I'm sure that a lot of our listeners especially those in New York will be happy to know that Taiwanese Waves will be returning to Central Park's Summer Stage on August 3 at the Rumsey Playfield. Doors open at 5:00pm

Since 2016 Taiwanese Waves has introduced Taiwanese music to audiences at Central Park's Summer Stage. If you're not familiar with Taiwanese Waves you're in for a treat. In this episode I sat down with Mia, the main organizer of Taiwanese Waves and we are about to walk through and give you a taste of all of the acts that have performed at Summer Stage in the past nine years. You'll also get to hear a preview of what to expect at this year's concert.

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In late June, we met up with YouTuber Bā Jiǒng (八炯) when he was in New York. If you're not familiar with Bā Jiǒng you might want to check out 2 of his most popular videos which expose China's United Front's tactics to target the Taiwanese and to recruit Taiwanese influencers to attack and spread disinformation about Taiwan. Then you'll know why he's had death threats.

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Bā Jiǒng is among those spearheading the recall of Fu Kun-chi, the KMT legislator known as "The King of Hualien." Fu Kun-chi is 1 of 24 Kuomintang KMT legislators who will be up for the mass recall vote in Taiwan on July 26th. To get up to speed on the Great Recall Effort that's been happening in Taiwan checkout our past 2 episodes 316 and 317.

Talking Taiwan is getting ready to head back to Taiwan to cover this historic mass recall vote of 24 KMT legislators, in fact we might already be there by the time you hear this episode. We look forward to having Bā Jiǒng on Talking Taiwan to talk about the recall efforts in Hualien and his videos exposing how the United Front works with Taiwanese influencers

Special thanks to Winston Liao for connecting us with Bā Jiǒng.

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In Taiwan recall bids have been filed against 35 of the 39 Chinese Nationalist Party (the Kuomintang or KMT lawmakers who were directly elected to the legislative yuan in January, 2024. Recall campaigners have said that they want to restore order to Taiwan's legislative yuan, by removing pro-China KMT legislators who have passed amendments to expand the legislature's powers, undermined Taiwan's constitutional order by paralyzing the constitutional court, cut budgets and made Taiwan vulnerable to infiltration by the Chinese Communist Party.

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Just a few days ago we learned that a total of 31 KMT legislators will be up for a vote to be recalled from office. 24 on July 26 and another 7 on August 23.

Since my interview with 3 recall campaigners in episode 316, I thought it would be good to follow up with an explainer video with political commentator and analyst Courtney Donovan Smith about how the recall mechanism in Taiwan works and what led to this mass recall effort.

And in a few days from now our two-person team will be heading back to Taiwan to witness and cover the July 26th recall vote. History is being made in the only way it can be in a vibrant democracy like Taiwan!

Here's a little preview of what we talked about in this podcast episode:

• How the recall mechanism works in Taiwan

• Past cases of politicians who have faced a recall vote

• Factors leading to the Bluebird Movement and Recall Efforts

• The expanded powers of the legislative yuan that were ruled unconstitutional

• What happened to paralyze Taiwan's constitutional court

• What has motivated the people campaigning to recall KMT legislators

• Why the KMT's recall efforts against DPP legislators have failed

• How Ko Wen-je's supporters have reacted to his detainment due to corruption charges

• DPP involvement with recall efforts

• How some of the Kuomintang KMT have shifted from being anti-Communist China to pro-Communist China (PRC)

• The historical significance of Taiwan's mass recall votes of legislators

• If the DPP is behind the recalls of KMT legislators

• What happens next after the recall vote

• The impact of the Sunflower Movement

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Have you heard about the great recall movement that's happening in Taiwan? What's it all about?

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24 lawmakers, or legislators from the Chinese Nationalist Kuomintang KMT party are being put up for a recall vote.

I don't think the world has ever seen anything like this happen on a national level in a democracy- 24 lawmakers being recalled from office, and that number is likely to be even higher at the time that this episode gets released. It's truly unprecedented!

This recall vote certainly didn't happen overnight. It was through dedicated grassroots efforts, of the everyday people of Taiwan. Questions have been raised as to whether the recall efforts are a partisan politically motivated effort on the part of the Democratic Progressive Party to oust KMT legislators.

That's what I wanted to get to the bottom of in this episode as I talked to some of the volunteers who have been boots on the ground in Taiwan's recall effort.

As you'll hear in this episode, what's happening in Taiwan is a historic demonstration of the will of the people to exercise their rights in a democracy.

The island-wide effort in Taiwan to recall lawmakers has been going on since last year and I sat down to speak to three volunteers Carol, Acho and Eric about how this mass movement has successfully gone through two stages, first signatures from1% of eligible voters in a legislator's district must be collected to initiate a recall. Then in the second stage signatures from 10% of eligible voters in a legislator's district must collect to in order for a recall vote to proceed. The hard part is that the signatures on the 1% and 10% petitions cannot be the same.

On July 26 Taiwan's Central Election Commission (CEC) will hold recall votes for now possibly even more than 24 KMT lawmakers.

Special thanks to Julien Oeuillet the Founding Editor of IPON (the Indo-Pacific Open News) for his help in making this interview possible.

Here's a little preview of what we talked about in this podcast episode:

• What the recall movement that's happening in Taiwan is about

• Why and how Acho, Carol and Eric volunteer their time and energy in the effort to recall legislators

• How the recall efforts are targeting pro-CCP Chinese Nationalist Kuomintang KMT legislators

• How the recall is necessary so that Taiwan's parliament/legislature can function normally

• How the first volunteers for the recall met through a LINE group

• How what happened after the Bluebird Movement protests motivated people to attempt to recall KMT legislators

• How the Sunflower Movement compares to the recall movement

• How they vetted volunteers from outside of Taiwan who wanted to help with the recall effort in Taiwan

• How they dealt with people trying to infiltrate the recall volunteer groups

• How the recall effort got started with 10 volunteers and has grown to 500 volunteers globally

• How A-Mei one of the lead recall movement volunteers was targeted by the KMT who accused her and revealed her personal information and identity

• How the Taiwanese people feel they are at risk of losing their country to pro-CCP KMT legislators

• How the KMT has smeared and sued recall movement volunteers including Carol

• How the KMT has broken up recall movement volunteer groups

• How Carol has put her job on hold to be dedicated to being a leader of her recall movement volunteer group full-time

• What Carol does as leader of her recall movement group

• How Acho volunteers for the recall effort by editing and creating videos

• How Eric volunteers for the recall effort by dealing with the media

• The types of videos they produce to promote and create awareness of the recall effort

• How the majority of recall volunteers are women (60% women, 40% men)

• How over 100 recall volunteers are dedicated full-time to the effort

• How the women recall volunteers have been confronted by people who don't support the recall

• The standard for collecting signatures for the recall

• Why the KMT's efforts to recall DPP have failed due to forgery or signatures of the deceased on their recall petitions

• How the KMT is trying to paint the picture that the DPP are orchestrating the recall of KMT legislators

• How the recall effort is a grassroots effort not about conflict between the DPP and KMT political parties

• How there could be more than 24 KMT legislators put up for a recall vote

• The demographics of the districts that Carol, Eric and Acho are volunteers in for the recall

• How Acho and Eric balance volunteering for the recall effort with their day jobs

• How KMT legislators have not offered any explanation of what was discussed in a closed door meeting in 2024 with Chinese officials

• How public reaction to volunteers of the recall effort has changed over time

• How the recall volunteers now need to focus on encouraging the public to vote on July 26

• How Carol encouraged creativity and idea of the recall volunteers that she manages

• How the sentiment of the recall volunteers is that we are all in this together

• How if eight to 10 KMT legislators are recalled there will be a better balance in the legislative yuan

• How Carol, Eric and Acho feel they are working selflessly for a common goal and that they are taking care of each other

• How this experience with the recall effort has helped Acho to see how the people of Taiwan can be so united

• How Carol has seen many recall volunteers evolving

• How what is happening in Taiwan is important for Asia and other democracies in the world

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