Episode 83 – MI with couples

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Tyrel Starks, PhD, onto the podcast to discuss his work on MI with couples.  A South Dakota native, Dr. Starks studied two years at Oberlin Conservatory before returning to the University of South Dakota to complete his undergraduate degree in psychology. He earned his PhD in child-clinical psychology from Southern Illinois University Carbondale in 2009. After a post-doctoral fellowship at Hunter College, he returned to join the faculty of the Psychology Department in 2014 and is now a professor. For more than 15 years, he has studied relationships and health, particularly substance use and HIV-related health in sexual minority men. The development of motivational interviewing with couples has been at the heart of this work. A licensed clinical psychologist and member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers, he is active as a trainer and clinical supervisor.

Episode index:

0:00 – Opening and episode preview

04:42 – Tyrel’s journey from music to MI

13:15 – Intersection of HIV and substance use

21:25 – Early days of Tyrel’s work with couples

26:50 – MI with couples 

31:10 – Relationship functioning before talking about change

38:00 – Balancing seeking consensus with evoking change talk

50:30 – Unique shifts for the practitioner: Introspection and use of language

57:20 – How might communication within the couple change?

1:12:20 – Future directions for MI with couples

1:15:45 – Cultivating common ground from political disagreements

1:21:59 – End of episode

Contact info and related links:

Email: [email protected] 

Learn more about Dr. Starks’ research and team: https://www.hunterrhrt.org/ 

Read Dr. Starks’ blog about LGBTQ+ relationships:https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/queer-relationships-no-straight-lines 

Learn more about MI with couples:https://global.oup.com/academic/product/motivational-interviewing-with-couples-9780197549643?cc=us&lang=en&

MI in Groups: https://www.guilford.com/books/Motivational-Interviewing-in-Groups/Wagner-Ingersoll-Contributors/9781462507924 

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Episode 82 – MI at Home

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Stephen Rollnick, PhD to the podcast to discuss the application of MI to conversations with family members. Steve is a clinical psychologist and Honorary Distinguished Professor in the School of Medicine, Cardiff, UK, and a co-founder of motivational interviewing.

He grew up in Cape Town, South Africa and lives in Cardiff, Wales. He was a practising psychologist in the UK National Health Service for 16 years, and then became a teacher and researcher on the subject of communication and behaviour change.

He has authored and co-authored books on motivational interviewing (Miller & Rollnick, 1991; 2001; 2012), and on applications in health care (Rollnick, Mason & Butler, 1999; Rollnick, Miller & Butler, 2007; 2022), schools (Rollnick, Kaplan & Rutschman, 2016) and sport (Rollnick, Fader, Breckon & Moyers, 2019).

He has published widely in scientific journals and has taught practitioners in many countries and continents. He has retired from his academic career and now focuses on projects in elite sport and healthcare.

Episode Index:

00:00 – Episode preview

07:18 – MI at home – where the idea started

13:08 – Steve’s story about working with mothers with babies infected with AIDS

20:00 – Steve recalls an article about MI at home written by his son Jake as a young man

27:30 – What else is there to change besides behavior?

46:50 – The importance of “restraint” 

59:00 – Conversations with others at home (not just kids)

1:07:50 – Steve’s work with first responders and elite sportsmen

1:11:46 – End of episode

Contact information

Website: www.stephenrollnick.com  

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MI for Sport and Performance

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dr. Ben Freakley, CMPC on the podcast to discussed MI in sport and performance settings. Ben is a leader in the field of applied sport and performance psychology with a career spanning over two decades. He is the founder and CEO of Ready, Set, Resilient, which provides sports and performance psychology services to individuals, teams, and organizations. 

Throughout his career, Ben has held several significant positions. He served as the Head of Mental Performance for the Toronto Blue Jays, where he led the development and delivery of mental skills programs across all levels of the organization. He was also the inaugural head coach and general manager of Tormenta FC in the United Soccer League (USL). His expertise extends to tactical environments, having worked as the performance psychology coach with the 75th Ranger Regiment of the United States Army Special Operations Forces.  

Ben holds a doctoral degree in Sport and Performance Psychology with an emphasis in Clinical Mental Health Counseling. He is also a Certified Mental Performance Consultant (CMPC) through the Association for Applied Sport Psychology (AASP). His research focus areas include leadership preferences of NCAA Division One coaches and psychological frameworks that promote human flourishing.

Before his full-time work in sport and performance psychology, Ben spent over a decade as an NCAA College Soccer coach demonstrating his versatility and depth in coaching, psychology of performance, and team culture. 

In his private practice, Ben works with executives and businesses, professional athletes and teams, and NCAA college athletics programs to help them evaluate and enhance their processes, performance, and well-being. 

Ben is a sought-after speaker on topics such as resilience, mental performance, motivation, leadership, and organizational culture.

Episode index:

00:00 – Opening and episode preview

05:27 – Ben intro and early MI story

08:35 – Autonomy support in sport and military settings

15:01 – Shifting between following, guiding, and directing

17:20 – MI spirit in sport

24:45 – “Being a warm fire”

28:00 – Progressive sporting institutions

41:00 – What is success beyond winning?

43:00 – Situations in sport when MI helps

54:45 – Key points for coaches to learn and apply

1:04:14 – End of episode

Contact information:

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ben-freakley-edd-cmpc-a5036bb1

Website: rsrcoaching.com  

Email: [email protected] 

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Episode 80 – MI and Behaviourism

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dr James Anderson to the podcast to discuss MI and behaviourism. James is a psychologist and Chief of Psychiatry at Bassett Healthcare Network in Cooperstown, NY.  James is interested in the integration of behavioral health into primary care and improving the ability of our healthcare systems to provide whole-person care.  He has special interest in helping people struggling with addiction, and has published work on integrating accessible and effective treatment for opioid use disorder into primary care settings.  James takes a technically eclectic approach to offering psychotherapy intervention to patients in need, including use of cognitive-behavioral therapy, acceptance and commitment therapy, and of course, motivational interviewing.  Theoretically, James views the human condition from a radical behaviorist viewpoint, and contrary to the common view of such an approach as encouraging a mechanistic and cold world view, sees behaviourism as underlying a philosophy of acceptance and tolerance of others.

Episode index:

0:00 – Opening and episode preview

6:09 – James intro and early MI story

11:24 – What is behaviorism?

19:36 – How behaviorism fits with MI

25:16 – Behaviorism and compassion

39:11 – Applying behavioral concepts to conversations about change

51:21 – Psychedelic assisted therapy

57:18 – End of episode

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MI and Health Coaching

Glenn and Sebastian were joined by Amanda Gabarda, EdD and Susan Butterworth, PhD to discuss health coaching and Motivational Interviewing. Dr. Gabarda is currently the Senior Director of Clinical Training & Development at UPMC Health Plan where she is responsible for designing, scaling, and evaluating evidence-based training, quality assurance, and health behavior change interventions for digital, telephonic, and in-person health coaching and care management. Dr. Gabarda is passionate about combining coaching and behavior change science to empower individuals to live their best and healthiest lives. She has a Bachelor and Master of Science in Exercise Science, a Master of Public Health, and a Doctorate of Education. She is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers, a National Board Certified Health and Wellness Coach, and a Certified Health Education Specialist.

Dr. Susan Butterworth is currently an Associate Professor at the Center for Health System Improvement at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center and Director of Patient Engagement for the Tennessee Heart Health Network. Susan is also the founder of Q-consult, LLC which provides consulting and training services to large organizations to improve patient engagement and patient-centered care. Her clinical background is exercise physiology and she received her doctoral degree in adult education and training with a cognate in health promotion from Virginia Commonwealth University. Susan specializes in the application of motivational interviewing-based health coaching interventions in healthcare and is well-published in this area. In addition, she has been awarded or served on multiple grants to assess the impact of health coaching interventions in healthcare organizations including health plans, hospitals, and clinics. She has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Networking of Trainers (MINT) since 2002.

Episode Index:

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        5:33 – Amanda and Susan’s introduction and early MI stories 

      11:30 – How MI changed the delivery of health coaching

      16:00 – The psychology of lifestyle change

      23:00 – What has been the response to MI from clients and organizations 

      30:00 – Coaching as a “vehicle for learning and growing and transforming” 

      36:30 – Coaching as a brief intervention

      42:45 – How does a health coach fit into the healthcare system

      49:55 – What is the experience of being a health coach

      58:00 – Research on MI and health coaching

   1:05:30 – Amanda and Susan learning about artificial intelligence

   1:09:20 – Real-play with Susan and Sebastian

   1:18:00 – Real-play debrief 

   1:26:24 – End of episode 

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MI and Self-Help

Glenn and Sebastian were joined by Michelle Drapkin, PhD, to discuss Motivational Interviewing and self-help. Dr. Drapkin has been working in the area of behavior change for over 20 years. She is the Owner/Director of the CBT Center and previously held roles in industry (Johnson and Johnson), academia (University of Pennsylvania and Rutgers) and federal government (Department of Veteran Affairs). She has dedicated her professional career to using psychological research to help people. She is a board-certified Clinical Psychologist and sees patients in her private practice, consults with healthcare tech start-ups, and delivers trainings and workshops on communication/motivation and health and wellbeing at work and in life. She is the sole author of The Motivational Interviewing Path to Personal Change: The Essential Workbook for Creating the Life You Want from New Harbinger Publications.

Episode Index:

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        4:42 – Michelle’s introduction and early MI story

      10:55 – Enhancing motivation through behavioral principles

      19:08 – “How does one do MI with oneself?”

      24:20 – Self-compassion: Having a more effective relationship with our inner critic 

      30:20 – “A way of being with ourselves”

      42:30 – Using Michelle’s self-help book

      45:45 – Trying the “best self” exercise 

   1:08:25 – Michelle supporting her daughter

   1:11:44 – End of episode 

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Glenn and Sebastian were joined by Russha Knauer to discuss her work applying MI with people who have experienced a brain injury. Russha has a BA in psychology and a master’s degree in Criminal Justice Administration. She joined the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers in San Diego in 2009.

Prior to joining the MINDSOURCE Brain Injury Network, she spent her 20 year career working in juvenile and criminal justice. She is interested in exploring how Motivational Interviewing can be adapted for use with people who have had an injury to the brain. 

Episode Index:

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        5:05 – Russha’s introduction and early MI story: Learning and application of MI        

                    in juvenile justice settings

      17:15 – Transition to working with people who have experienced brain injury

      27:00 – Some challenges caring for people with brain injury

      46:55 – Applications of MI

   1:12:36 – End of episode 

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Glenn and Sebastian were joined by Debra Collins, MA, LMFT to discuss MI as a way to reduce burnout and compassion fatigue. Debra has extensive experience in clinical practice, supervision and program management. She has been a program manager/clinical director in community-based clinics and has provided direct service, behavioral health consultation, program development, training, and supervision/coaching for a wide variety of social service, addiction and criminal justice settings.

Throughout her career Debra has organized and participated in Community Response Teams when communities have been faced with natural disasters, violent crimes, or other catastrophic events. She is an active member of Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) serving on the Reinstatement Committee and has presented at conferences, grand rounds, and panel discussions. 

She is currently exploring how the Spirit of MI can support providers in reducing their risk of burnout and compassion fatigue and how the practice of MI might also be useful in helping providers explore their own ambivalence in utilizing self-care strategies.

Episode Index:

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        4:00 – Debra’s introduction and early MI story

      15:40 – Burnout and compassion fatigue

      19:30 – Where does the relationship go?

      25:00 – How the MI spirit helps the helper 

      32:15 – Ask-Offer-Ask

      39:00 – Taking better care of ourselves

      51:48 – Being a “provider” 

   1:00:00 – Wondering how creativity intersects with wellness

   1:05:14 – End of episode 

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Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Sky Kershner to the podcast to discuss MI and Spirituality. Sky is an Assistant Professor in Psychiatry at WVU School of Medicine.

Sky has a Doctor of Ministry degree as well as a Masters in Clinical Social Work. He is the retired Director of KPCC Counseling in Charleston, WV. Sky is a Member of MINT, the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (one of two in WV), and is a MINT Certified Trainer. Sky has trained over 8000 professionals in MI across WV, the US, and abroad.

Sky has received several awards for his professional work, including the WV Civil Rights Award and WV Counselor of the Year. Sky’s biggest “15 minutes of fame” moment is that he once appeared as a guest therapist on the Discovery Studios show “Hoarders.”  He is also a contributing author for the book “ACT Therapy for Pastoral Counselors,” edited by Steven Hayes. 

Sky is the Pastor at the Unity Church in Charleston and teaches psychodynamics (fear of feelings) to psychiatric residents at WVU School of Medicine, Charleston Division. Sky is an Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART) trained practitioner, and is especially interested in the way this approach can help First Responders successfully process difficult images and memories, sometimes in just one session. Sky’s presentation topics include Optimism and Resilience, Spirituality and Recovery, Trauma Informed Parenting, Trauma Informed Care, Cultural Sensitivity, and Professional Boundaries for Clergy, and Transitions.

Sky grew up in Eastern Pennsylvania, trained, practiced, and taught in New York City before making West Virginia his home over thirty years ago. Sky lives in Charleston with his wife, two kids in college, and a very little dog.

Episode Index:

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        4:50 – Sky’s introduction and early MI story

      15:30 – Pastoral counseling and similarities with MI

      26:30 – Spiritual experiences and change

      33:00 – Autonomy supportive spirituality 

      47:30 – Faith as trust 

      58:20 – Ambivalence in spirituality: Resolution through forgiveness

   1:06:30 – Sky exploring artificial intelligence 

   1:09:31 – End of episode 

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MI and Servant Leadership

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Jemima Neddy Organ to the podcast to discuss MI and servant leadership. Jemima is a community educator having worked as an instructor and training consultant in Kenya and the Middle East. In Kenya, Jemima was actively involved in advocacy and education of mental health issues in the community. She initiated the writing of the psychological bill to acknowledge counseling as a profession in Kenya. Jemima also initiated a behavior change program for youth (in a faith-based organization). The program is now in six countries in Africa due to her active training and mentoring of the leaders.

Jemima has a Ph.D. from the Organization, Information, & Learning Sciences (OILS) program at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque USA with a focus on Instructional Design (ID), Adult Education & Professional Development (AE&PD), and Motivational Interviewing in leadership (MI-Lead). Her dissertation was on “Motivational Interviewing: A Tool for Servant Leadership.” She was trained, coached, and is being mentored by Dr. William Miller, the father of MI. Jemima holds a master’s degree in Counseling Psychology from Daystar University in Nairobi, Kenya, and a bachelor’s degree in Psychology and Counseling from the University of Nairobi, Kenya. Jemima has over 27 years’ of experience in the mental health profession and is also a licensed professional counselor-candidate (LPCC) in Colorado. Jemima is an active member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) and she integrates her counseling skills with adult education and professional development. Her visionary personality has enabled her to initiate MI as a tool for servant leaders. Jemima gives presentations, trains, teaches, and coaches leaders on how to incorporate Motivational Interviewing in their leadership style. 

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        5:00 – Jemima introduction and early MI story

      11:45 – How MI fits in the context of leadership

      20:50 – Jemima’s father as an early source of hope

      23:06 – What is servant leadership?

      30:45 – The distinction between servant and transformational leadership            

      37:50 – The core skills of MI (i.e. OARS) and servant leadership 

      48:18 – Transitions 

      50:05 – End of recording 

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