In Episode 7 of Talking to Change: A Motivational Interviewing Podcast, Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan welcome Professor Steve Rollnick, co-founder of Motivational Interviewing. Steve reflects on the development of MI with William R. Miller and the journey from its origins in specialist addiction treatment towards its use in everyday conversations across health, social care and other helping settings.

The discussion explores what sits at the heart of effective Motivational Interviewing practice. Steve considers the attitudes and skills practitioners bring to conversations, the effects of stress on helping relationships and the importance of noticing our own state before and during an interaction. These themes connect closely with the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing and the collaborative way practitioners seek to work with people.

Steve also discusses practical aspects of MI, including affirmations, evoking, giving advice and working within time-limited encounters. He reflects on common mistakes, questions practitioners can use when reviewing their own practice, and possible future directions for Motivational Interviewing.

0. Introductions & Steve Rollnick bio

2.30. The developmental chronology of MI

10.10. The fundamental elements (jewels) of MI Practice and effectiveness

15.14. The negative consequences of stress in helping environments and MI practitioners

18.55. Recognising the practitioner’s ‘state’ and it’s influence on helping encounters

22.40. Attitudes and skills explored

29.40. Affirmations

36.19. Evoking

45.55. Advice giving

50.45. Steve’s questions for practitioners to consider while reflecting on MI attitude and practice

56.00. Time limited interventions

1.03.20. What NOT to do in MI

1.06.20. Drawing to a close. Exploring the future directions of MI

1.13.08 Contact details for Steve, the podcast, resources and links.

1.17.18 End

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In the sixth episode of Talking to Change: A Motivational Interviewing Podcast, Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan welcome Theresa Moyers, PhD, to explore change talk in Motivational Interviewing and why client language matters in conversations about change. Terri draws on her extensive experience as a clinician and researcher in the treatment of addictive behaviours.

Change talk refers to a person’s own language in favour of change. Rather than supplying arguments for change, an MI practitioner listens for and responds to the person’s own motivations, values, concerns and intentions. The episode explores why this language matters, how it may develop during a conversation and the practitioner’s role in creating conditions in which it can emerge.

The discussion also examines sustain talk, the language that favours maintaining the status quo. Terri considers the relationship between change talk, sustain talk and behaviour, as well as the importance of empathy and reflective listening when responding to client language.

The following episode index highlights the main topics discussed:

0:00 – Opening/introduction

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Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan welcome Dr Christopher C. Wagner to explore Carl Rogers, person-centred helping and the development of Motivational Interviewing. Rogers’ work provides an important foundation for understanding the relational qualities that continue to shape MI practice.

The discussion considers Rogers’ radical departure from an expert model of helping. Rather than positioning the practitioner as the person who diagnoses the problem and supplies the answer, person-centred practice emphasises understanding the client’s experience and creating conditions that support growth and change. These ideas can be seen in the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing, particularly acceptance and partnership.

Chris explores Rogers’ core conditions, incongruence, acceptance, growth and emotional emancipation. The conversation also considers where Motivational Interviewing builds on its person-centred foundations by intentionally attending to language, direction and conversations about change. Chris is an associate professor, licensed clinical psychologist, and certified rehabilitation counselor. His scholarship focuses on motivational interviewing (MI) and interpersonal processes in mental health/substance abuse treatment. He has focused on expanding MI theory and practice to a broader focus than originally conceived as well as developing MI group psychotherapy. He is the lead author on the MI in Groups book that is part of the official Guilford Press series on MI. His practice and training has included outpatient, inpatient and residential treatment of individuals and groups with a variety of health, mental health and addiction problems.

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In the fourth episode of Talking to Change: A Motivational Interviewing Podcast, Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan welcome psychologist Stan Steindl, PhD, to explore compassion in Motivational Interviewing and its relationship with MI practice.

Compassion is one of the four elements of the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing. It involves actively promoting the other person’s welfare and giving their needs priority within the helping conversation. This distinguishes compassion from simply feeling sympathy or concern. Within MI, compassion sits alongside partnership, acceptance and empowerment as part of the relational foundation for conversations about change.

Stan discusses the relationship between compassion and MI in both directions. A compassionate stance can shape how practitioners listen and respond, while an MI-style conversation may also help people develop a more compassionate understanding of themselves and others. The discussion considers self-compassion, wellbeing and how the quality of the helping relationship can influence conversations about change.

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In the third episode of Talking to Change: A Motivational Interviewing Podcast, Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan explore the four processes of Motivational Interviewing: Engaging, Focusing, Evoking and Planning. Together, these describe how an MI conversation can develop from establishing a helpful working relationship through to strengthening motivation and, when appropriate, planning for change.

Engaging involves developing a collaborative relationship and understanding the person’s perspective. Focusing helps practitioner and client develop clarity about the direction of the conversation. Evoking draws out the person’s own motivations, values and arguments for change. Planning becomes relevant when there is sufficient readiness to consider how change might happen.

Glenn and Sebastian also demonstrate these processes through an MI conversation about smoking. The demonstration illustrates that the processes are not rigid stages. Practitioners may move between them as the conversation develops, returning to engagement or focus whenever this is helpful.

Update: This episode was recorded in 2018 and uses the Four Processes terminology current at the time. In the fourth edition of Motivational Interviewing, these are described as the Four Tasks of Motivational Interviewing: Engaging, Focusing, Evoking and Planning.

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Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan return for the second episode of Talking to Change: A Motivational Interviewing Podcast to explore the core skills of Motivational Interviewing. Often remembered through the acronym OARS, these communication skills help practitioners listen carefully, understand the person’s perspective and encourage conversations about change.

The four traditional OARS skills are Open Questions, Affirmations, Reflective Listening and Summaries. Used skilfully, they do more than provide a structure for a conversation. They help practitioners communicate empathy, recognise strengths, deepen understanding and create space for people to hear and develop their own thoughts about change.

The episode considers the purpose of each skill and how they work together. In Motivational Interviewing, OARS are not techniques to persuade someone to change. They are used within the collaborative spirit of MI to support engagement, exploration and the person’s autonomy.

Update: This 2018 episode focuses on the traditional OARS framework. Our current OARS + I guide also includes Information Exchange as an important part of skilful Motivational Interviewing practice.

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In the first episode of Talking to Change: A Motivational Interviewing Podcast, Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan introduce themselves and explore the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing. They discuss the relational foundation of MI and how the way practitioners work with people is as important as the skills and strategies they use.

At the time this episode was recorded in 2018, MI Spirit was described through four interrelated elements: Partnership, Acceptance, Compassion and Evocation. The conversation considers how these principles support respectful, collaborative conversations about change, with the practitioner working alongside the person rather than taking an expert-led or directive position.

Understanding MI Spirit helps put the practical skills of Motivational Interviewing into context. Open questions, reflections and other MI skills are not simply techniques. They are used within a relationship characterised by curiosity, respect for autonomy and genuine interest in the person’s own perspectives, values and reasons for change.

Update: This episode was recorded in 2018 and reflects the terminology used in Motivational Interviewing at that time. In the fourth edition of Motivational Interviewing, the fourth element of MI Spirit is described as Empowerment. Read the current guide to the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing, including Partnership, Acceptance, Compassion and Empowerment.

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