This week Daisy and Francis talk to travel and hospitality writer, Colin Nagy. Colin is also the co-creator of the newsletter 'Why is this interesting?'

Colin: https://x.com/CJN

Why is this interesting?: https://www.interesting.us

00:00:00 Long live the girl moss

00:04:08 The podcast mic and illusion of authority

00:06:20 Credibility laundering: How to industry plant yourself

00:11:01 Blockchain taste formalization

00:13:51 Abstract theories applied to the blockchain

00:16:43 Who gets to decide how we remember?

00:27:10 Language, Culture, and Their Role in Shaping LLMs

00:33:01 Media literacy and factchecking LLMs

00:42:32 New money's impact on hospitality and experiences

00:48:00 Memorable and personal hospitality experiences

00:52:55 The social contract is broken: Degrading manners in society

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Our intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.

This week Daisy and Francis are joined by Phillip Jackson and Brian Lange from the Future Commerce podcast. What is the future of art in an AI world? Do we need more friction in our lives? Should AI feel shame?

Listen to Future Commerce: https://www.futurecommerce.com/episodes

00:00 Introduction to Phil and Brian

01:46 Blank launch party

05:52 OpenAI’s Studio Ghibli marketing ploy

11:45 All that we’re left with is aura

19:27 The value of the art is the creator

25:00 Losing control of the environment art is observed

29:29 Our shitty robot future

36:14 An Industrial Revolution for the minds

39:23 Online shopping can diminish creativity

51:50 The future of mobility is textiles

55:28 Cultural change requires calamity

01:01:47 Has frictionless gone too far?

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Our intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.

This week Daisy and Francis are joined by Kori Fuerst, co-founder of Retrospekt, a consumer electronics company specialising in reviving retro tech for a new generation.

Retrospekt: https://retrospekt.com

00:00 Introducing Kori and Restrospekt

02:35 Awkward police encounters

06:12 Defaulting to the classic

08:09 The unique Retrospekt office space

11:14 Retro collaborations and IP licensing

14:53 Transitioning from hobby to business

22:28 Challenges with repairing newer tech

23:57 Pop cultures effect on retro tech hype

27:05 The rise of digicams and the 2000's aesthetic

29:22 Today's future retro tech

37:27 Late 80's tech is the most accessible for refurbishment

39:43 Dream retro tech collabs

45:36 The natural draw to analogue and tactile interfaces

51:29 The experience of film photos

55:10 Balancing scale and sustainability in retro tech

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Our intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.

This week Daisy and Francis are joined by Trey Taylor, Gen Z consumer expert who has recently pivoted into the world of fragrances and just launched their perfume brand Serviette.

Trey Taylor: https://x.com/treytylor

Serviette: https://serviette.nyc/pages/about?srsltid=AfmBOorQMQdp9fVeRd_vV-aXXIsRid3t8o2z9NL0ZZU19-3ZWsdFridM

00:00 Introducing Trey and Serviette

00:55 The symbiotic relationship between oral and written culture

04:00 Serviette launch party

09:08 The art and struggle of perfume creation

14:07 The monopolization of fragrance

22:16 Bartering and trading culture with the fragrance world

25:23 The role of contrast in color and scent

31:13 Selling a lifestyle: Marketing an aspiration

39:10 Taste is defined by perception, not possession

45:34 The challenges of online perfume shopping

54:45 Using taste to create something valuable

Our intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.

This week Daisy and Francis are joined by Charlie Baker, editor of The Fence, a quarterly print magazine (and weekly newsletter) focused on life in the UK and Ireland.

The Fence: https://www.the-fence.com

Capital Letter: https://thefencecapitalletter.substack.com/

00:00 Introducing Charlie Baker and The Fence

01:51 The value exchange of a podcast appearance

07:48 The Fence's unique and historic office space

13:41 The Capital Letter: London's only newsletter

20:52 Cultural exchange between the US and UK is growing

23:47 Increasing London pub coverage

27:54 London's entrepreneurial energy is rising

29:26 Did ye hear mammy died?

32:50 Defining the quintessential Fence story

36:06 The most important job of an editor

41:00 Publishing is an act of optimism

47:39 The loneliness of leadership

Our intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.

This week Daisy and Francis are joined by cultural strategist, designer and art director, Edmond Lau. Edmond is known for his "luxury memes" and his recent coining of the term "dark mode shift".

Follow Edmond

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/atelieredmondlau/

X: https://x.com/nstlgiaxpress

00:00 The rise of LinkedIn

07:23 An outsider's perspective on NYC culture

15:05 Edmond's unique career arc

20:09 Creating digital profiles of personal taste

28:28 The dark mode shift and ambiguous grief

42:09 The evolving insecurities of the yuppies

49:41 Taste has lost its meaning

55:36 Defining luxury

Our intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.

There's no guest this week, which gives Daisy and Francis the chance to discuss why people hate Renoir, the simultaneously growing and eroding types of media literacy, SEO arbitrage, and why we need pay people to build beautiful things.

00:00 The five things we did this week

02:38 The nuances of art deaccessioning

08:48 Why Francis has stopped sports betting

11:14 Different types of media literacy and their current state

14:36 The need for working-class media

24:28 The death of content website investing

35:08 Islands and empires in the creator economy

38:19 The dynamics of young lonely men

44:48 The future of labor in America

Our intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.

This week Daisy and Francis are joined by Katherine Dee, a reporter and internet culture writer since 2018. She's here to discuss the evolution of e-girls, their cultural significance, and the changing landscape of media and online identity.

Katherine's X: https://x.com/default_friend

Katherine's Substack: https://substack.com/@defaultfriend

00:00:00 Unique art museum experiences

00:04:15 Defining e-girls and their evolution

00:10:50 Shifting media forms and declining media literacy

00:19:55 The anti-woke movement is an entertainment genre

00:27:07 Dolphin accelerationism

00:31:00 The ethics of interacting with AI

00:39:37 Internet history must always be an oral history

00:50:28 The loss of quality local news

00:57:41 The normie internet and subterranean internet split

Our intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.

Daisy and Francis are joined by Jad Esber, founder and CEO of Koodos Labs, a product and research company focused on the next generation of the internet. Koodos Labs is the creator of Shelf.

Shelf: www.shelf.im

Jad: https://x.com/Jad_AE

00:00 Night Life

02:20 Daisy smells like a donut

08:33 Inverting the internet's personal data model

14:47 Understanding the concept of data gravity

19:56 The algorithms influence on interpersonal relationships

30:53 Shelf: Your aggregator for taste

39:00 The difficulties of tracking physical media consumption

44:01 Connecting through shared media consumption

50:40 The balance of friction and meaningful engagement

Our intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.

Daisy and Francis are joined by art critic, curatorial consultant, and writer Tatum Dooley. She is the founder and editor of the newsletter Art Forecast. They discuss the balance of art and business, the importance of artist-first thinking, and the impact of social media on artistic identity.

Art Forecast: https://artforecast.substack.com/

00:00 Controversial college mascot rebrand

07:23 The spectrum of artistry to entrepreneurship

13:30 Rebranding for global recognition

16:09 2025 trend predictions in the art world

22:26 The power of the studio visit

25:46 Balancing mentorship and free consulting

30:31 The complexities of royalties in the art market

32:26 Demonstrating the artist first approach

36:34 Artistic identity and social media

44:57 The right way to do criticism

Our intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.