We're joined by journalist and long-time Swiftie Marisa Bate to talk about why the most decorated artist of her generation is also one of the most polarising. We cover All Too Well, the Squad era, Taylor's obscene productivity, her endless fascination with love and her talent for imagery and storytelling that continue to captivate us.

Marisa's list of Taylor songs here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2gzz992oNTEMFxichq4Ktb?si=7a7c3bca60d14082

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