Terror Talk: True Crime, Serial Killers and Horror

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Forty thousand people were at Lake Sammamish State Park on 14 July 1974. Ted Bundy walked up to a woman with his arm in a sling and asked for help. Then, hours later, he came back and did it again.

Part two of three. The killing years, the two escapes, and the night in Tallahassee that finally ended it.

Dr. Cathy Barrett, forensic psychologist, walks the trajectory. Shannon asks the questions.

⚠️ This episode contains graphic descriptions of murder, sexual assault, mutilation and necrophilia, and the killing of a child. It is the most difficult of the three.

CHAPTERS

(00:00) The victim profile, and the sling

(02:25) Lake Sammamish, in broad daylight

(03:15) Janice Ott and Denise Naslund

(05:14) The sketch, and a professor's call

(07:47) Possession, and the crime scenes

(10:07) Carol DaRonch escapes

(11:04) Granger, Utah: the murder kit

(13:47) Convicted, and a fifteen year sentence

(16:43) Dr. Al Carlisle, prison psychologist

(17:38) Caryn Campbell, and Aspen

(19:32) Escape one: the law library window

(21:11) Escape two: the ceiling

(24:17) Chi Omega, January 1978

(26:17) Margaret Bowman

(27:05) Lisa Levy

(27:57) Kathy Kleiner and Karen Chandler

(29:24) Cheryl Thomas

(30:45) Leslie Parmenter's brother

(31:30) Kimberly Leach

(34:30) Why this was never a celebration

IN THIS EPISODE

Janice Ott and Denise Naslund, taken from the same park on the same afternoon in front of a crowd. Witnesses remembered the sling, the Volkswagen, and that he introduced himself as Ted.

Carol DaRonch, who got out of the car. She is the reason he was caught at all, and Cathy is blunt about it: without her, he may never have been stopped.

Two escapes. Out of a second storey law library window in Aspen with nothing but a hurt ankle, then, months later, out through a light fixture in a ceiling after starving himself thin enough to fit.

Chi Omega. Margaret Bowman and Lisa Levy killed, Kathy Kleiner and Karen Chandler surviving, all in under an hour. Then Cheryl Thomas a few blocks away the same night. And the bite mark that would convict him.

Kimberly Leach, twelve years old, who fit nothing about his pattern, and what that tells you about the state he was in by then.

Plus Shannon on why the film version of the gleeful, hedonistic killer does not fit this man at all.

CORRECTIONS

Bundy was arrested in Pensacola on 15 February 1978. The 9 February date in the episode is when Kimberly Leach was taken.

The seventeen year old killed the night Carol DaRonch escaped was Debra Kent, from Viewmont High School in Bountiful, Utah.

Caryn Campbell disappeared from the Wildwood Inn at Snowmass, Colorado in January 1975.

THE SERIES

Part 1: Childhood, teenage years, college

Part 2: The killings, the escapes, Chi Omega

Part 3: The final trial, the interviews, the execution

Two licensed therapists, one forensic psychologist, one clinical LMFT, take apart the minds behind the crimes.

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Ted Bundy was three years old when his aunt woke from a nap to find him standing over her, smiling, having arranged every knife from the kitchen drawer on her pillow with the points aimed at her face. The more frightened she got, the more he seemed to enjoy it.

Part one of three. Before the killings, before the courtroom. The childhood, the teenage years and the college years, and how a boy raised to believe his mother was his sister became the man nobody suspected.

Dr. Cathy Barrett, forensic psychologist, takes the case history. Shannon asks the questions.

CHAPTERS

(00:00) Why Ted Bundy still fascinates

(03:05) The case, in brief

(05:55) Born a secret in Burlington

(06:44) Samuel Cowell's house in Philadelphia

(09:56) The lie: his mother was his sister

(10:28) The knives, at three years old

(12:35) Tacoma, Uncle Jack and John Bundy

(15:23) Fifteen: shoplifting and peeping

(16:12) Ann Marie Burr

(18:59) How he learned about sex

(21:14) The mask he built at school

(23:20) College, and Stephanie Brooks

(27:40) Finding out his sister was his mother

(28:55) Ann Rule and the crisis hotline

(30:31) Law school, and 1974

(34:44) What's coming in Part 2

IN THIS EPISODE

Samuel Cowell, the grandfather who threw his daughters down the stairs and kicked the family dog until it howled, and whom Bundy later named as the man he admired most.

Ann Marie Burr, eight years old, a piano student of Bundy's great uncle, who vanished from her Tacoma home in 1961 with no sign of a struggle. Nobody looked at a fourteen year old boy with a paper round.

Stephanie Brooks, who dated him under the name Diane Edwards, ended it after a year, and whose long dark hair parted in the middle would describe nearly every victim who followed.

Ann Rule, who worked the graveyard shift with him on a suicide crisis hotline, thought he was a friend, wrote The Stranger Beside Me, and stood at his execution.

Plus why psychopaths are not treated in therapy, and what forensic psychologists mean by rehearsal.

Contains discussion of child abuse, sexual violence, incest allegations and the disappearance of a child.

CORRECTIONS

Bundy's grandfather was Samuel Cowell. The name is hard to make out in this old audio and is corrected in the captions.

Ann Marie Burr disappeared 31 August 1961, when Bundy was fourteen. The episode says fifteen.

His confession is most often recorded as thirty homicides, though higher counts appear in some sources.

THE SERIES

Part 1: Childhood, teenage years, college

Part 2: The killings, the patterns, the victims

Part 3: The final trial, the interviews, the execution

Two licensed therapists, one forensic psychologist, one clinical LMFT, take apart the minds behind the crimes.

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This is a preview of our all-new Patreon exclusive episode where Shannon and Cathy discuss the already cult classic: The Cabin in the Woods.

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Therapists discuss the new HBO documentary Leaving Neverland (2019) about two men and their families who tell their story of sexual abuse at the hands of Michael Jackson.

Originally airing in our first season as Episode 28 this episode has been edited and reborn here in our encore episodes for this August. The link mentioned in the show for victims of sexual abuse has since been taken down however below is a link for resources should you need support.

https://online.victims.ca.gov/Home/VictimResources

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Therapists discuss Mindhunter and the Ten Real Life Serial Killers in Season 2: Ed Kemper, Dennis Raider, Charles Manson, David Berkowitz, William "Junior" Pierce, Paul Bateson, William Henry Hance, Elmer Wayne Henley, Jr., Tex Watson, and Wayne Williams.

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Cathy runs Shannon ragged with a Jeopardy style trivia game. Join us to learn a lot of horror trivia you never knew you cared about. We end with a quick couple of minutes about what is coming in Season 7 starting in September.

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