After a recent series of convictions against police officers who killed unarmed Black Americans, including the officer who killed Atatiana Jefferson, questions still linger about what police accountability actually looks like.

While convictions can bring a sense of resolution, they don’t transform the cultures of police forces.

We’re joined by Andrea Ritchie, a co-founder of Interrupting Criminalization and co-author of No More Police: A Case for Abolition with Mariame Kaba, to better understand this sometimes-nebulous idea of police accountability.