That Annuity Show

That Annuity Show

By Nassau Financial GroupBusinessEducationInvesting
Download on the App Store

That Annuity Show episodes

  • 173 - Making In-Plan Annuities a Reality with Michelle Richter and Mark Chamberlain - 2 of 2
    In part 2 of 2 Michelle lays out her proposal for revamping the web of state and federals rules and laws to make in-plan annuities a vibrant market in the future. Here's the full text of her discussion: Heads up to SOA, NAIFA, IRI, any other industry group- mark this moment as the point where contacts you have at these organizations should start listening. Big bold assertion #1: Non-codification of verb sales in insurance means that intellectual property (inventions) can't have value in insurance Why is this true? Assertion 2. The above-mentioned fact (Ip can't have value in insurance) is true because of the intersection between how products sell and how trademark law works. I will explain further in a moment. Assertion 3. IP having value is fundamental to the functioning of capitalism. Assertion 4. In a demutualized world where insurance manufacturing is now entirely vertically disintegrated from distribution, IP can only come to have value by codifying insurance advisement as a scalable, oversee-able, nationally regulated discipline So we are proving assertion 1- IP has no value in my domain- by proving assertions 2-4 So let's start with assertion 2 part 1: how do products sell. To understand this, we need first to define both the word "product" and then the word "sell." Products are nouns. In the context of insurance and financial services, products are issuable containers, and their distribution is highly regulated. Products are issuable legal contracts within which IP can be embedded, and in exchange for the distribution of which compensation can be paid to an FP in respect of either, but never concurrently, a or b. A is from inside the noun in direct respect to sale thereof (this refers to agency and brokerage) whereas b is charged upon the AUA/AUM thereformed following a product's intro into an advised portfolio (b refers to RIA channel). Now that we know what product means, we move on to sell. Sell means the exchange of remuneration in direct respect to [x- x is a verb in the RIA channel and it's a noun in the agent/broker channels]. Wholesalers are people who so routinely sell wholes that we can describe their identity by putting an r at the end of the verb that they routinely perform. (By analogy, runners routinely run, we don't call someone a runner who once ran across the street) All wholes are nouns. The human mind cannot conceive of a whole verb. So wholesalers sell nouns, and nouns sell when they have wholesalers selling them. Wholesalers work for either a noun manufacturer, or a noun seller. An organization that sells nouns will not switch which noun it has its wholesalers focused on selling unless the new noun is more profitable than is the incumbent noun portfolio. A product concept thus cannot have value, because what is valuable about the product/noun is the seller's prior investment in manufacturing and/or wholesaling infrastructure., not clever IP that does not have higher profit margins than does the incumbent product set. Now we define the second half of assertion 2, which is about trademarking. Trademark (the application of which differs for IP protection relative to much easier to defend in court brand/name protection)- in this case I'm talking IP protection- requires that the IP be noun-embeddable, whereas servicemarked requires the IP to be verb embedable. If you google "trademark definition", when applied to IP defense as opposed to brand defense, you too will become aware that the definition of this word requires the IP owner to be able to either manufacture or to sell (remember what sell means from above!) the noun. Insurance provides for minimization of liabilities (or contra-assets). Insurance advisor is not a defined term. Financial advisor is defined, and it means person who holds the authority to sell verbs (person who has an RIA affiliation, which means they can sell verbs. RIAs sell verbs only. Agents and brokers sell nouns only.) Financial advisors provide ongoing asset maximization advising and they frequently receive their compensation by advising upon, and thus billing upon, AUM accordingly. This asset max advising is a service. IP embedded in Services, for example, the managed account services provided by Morningstar Inc, are servicemarkable, thus they have been servicemarked, not trademarkable, because they're verbs (services), not nouns. Absent codifying insurance advisement so that insurance professionals can also sell verbs, by which i am saying: Absent popularizing a billing approach like benefits under advisement or income under advisement, there can't be value to intellectual property in our field, because you can't defend it via servicemark (because there's no framework for scalably selling services in our domain) and you can't sell it as a noun because an organization can only monetize a trademark in insurance from previous investment in manufacturing and distribution. an incumbent will only do this if the new product has higher expected profit margins than does its existing portfolio. Not likely in today's fee conscious environment) So again, because my prior words are true, Not having a scalable advisement frame for liability reduction means intellectual property that is servicemarked in our field also cannot have value, because it can't be sold (to sell again means to exchange remuneration in direct respect to x. Non-codification of insurance advisement means we can't scalably sell verbs in insurance). So concludes my proof of assertion #2, that IP can't have value in my field. Assertion 3: The impossibility of IP having value in my field is an offense about which utter outrage is merited. It is a direct affront to the very principles of capitalism. Capitalism as a governing frame relies heavily upon IP being protectable and monetizable so as to encourage invention. Thus I question: Why is mine the sole field in this country to which capitalism is not permitted to apply, and why are other members of my community not apoplectic about my potentially true words? Consider the implications that not codifying verb sales in my domain has now that post-SECURE, annuities are permitted in plans. Plan advisors, like all other fiduciaries in America, are inherently taught that asset maximization is the only valid lens through which financial advisement can occur. Yet i believe that consumer financials occur not only on the left side of the consumer balance sheet, but also on their income statement, their statement of net worth, their cash flow statement, and the right side of balance sheet, which is where insurance plays. Plan advisors don't know annuities and vice versa. Advisers can't begin to imagine why we insurance people believe our solutions have value, because they are taught to see the world through the lens of asset maximization and are not taught about liability minimization as a valid entry point to a consumer finance worldview. Annuities in DC will only take off if we band together to fight for their place. Actuaries used to have a role in asset liability matching when we as a society had DB plans. There isn't a natural spot for an actuary in DC plans because liability consideration is not yet required so as to advise in DC, because DC, which relies on AUM as a billing base, even though ERISA includes the words "Retirement Income" in the acronym, naturally emphasizes asset maximization. Why not IUA? The Society of Actuaries, NAIFA and IRI must all strongly consider the possibility that my words might be true, and if they feel they might be, they need to begin acting yesterday. Representatives of any of these industry organizations, or other industry organizations that can help change what I believe to be the true circumstances that i have just described to you are invited to email me at [email protected] and request a deck that further explains my perspective and the dangers to both our industry and our society more broadly that follow logically therefrom. Lastly for this diatribe, I hold that Insurance advisement should be a National field (since it is not about noun placement but about contextual advisement, it is not per se corollated to an individual contract the way some state insurance law allows annuity consulting to occur, thus the field would not make sense to be state regulated) it should be policed similarly to how RIAs are overseen. To achieve this framework is my career goal. 27 years remain until I begin taking social security at age 70. It thus follows logically that I will not stop truthfully communicating my concerns on these matters for at least 27 more years (unless they're resolved in less time than that). Thank you for your patience both in allowing me to read that today, and in helping me along in my communicative journey towards hopefully making this point understandable to at least a few people!
    27 min
  • 172 - Making In-Plan Annuities a Reality with Michelle Richter and Mark Chamberlain - 1 of 2
    The SECURE Act reinvigorated interest in expanding the market for in-plan annuities. However, we need to make many more changes to really drive adoption. In part one of a two part series, Michelle Richter and Mark Chamberlain of the newly renamed firm, Annuity Research & Consulting, share their roadmap for future success. Links mentioned in the show: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-richter/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-chamberlain-33349a14/
    37 min
  • 171 - Helping Canadians Retire From Work, Not Life With Fraser Stark
    Can a mutual fund create new income potential for investors by sharing mortality risk? The answer is "yes", starting in Canada. Fraser Stark, President of the Longevity Retirement Platform for Purpose Financial joins us to talk about his company's novel product. Links mentioned in the show: https://www.retirewithlongevity.com/ https://www.purpose-unlimited.com/home https://www.linkedin.com/in/fstark/
    50 min
  • 170 - The Future of Advice With Paul Blanco
    What will the future of face-to-face distribution look like in the coming years. Today, we talk with someone who has always built a business five years ahead of the rest. Paul Blanco, Founder and CEO of Barnum Financial joins us to talk about the future of advisors, insurance agencies, wealth management and technology. Barnum is a general agency of MassMutual (Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance Company) and qualified representatives offer securities and investment advisory services through MML Investors Services, LLC, a subsidiary of MassMutual. Links mentioned in the show: https://barnumfinancialgroup.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulblanco/
    36 min
  • 169 - Should Interest Rate Changes Rewrite Retirement Product Recommendations with Dave Blanchett and Michael Finke
    For those of us in the business, it feels like interest rates have been rising every two weeks. Fixed rates and guaranteed income have gone up. However, other competing fixed income options have risen as well. How does this new environment reshape how we evaluate recommendations for our clients? We explore this topic and more with Michael Finke, Professor at The American College and David Blanchett, Head of Retirement Research at PGIM. Links mentioned: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-blanchett-b0b0aa2/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-finke-8134808/ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wealth-managed-with-michael-finke-and-david-blanchett/id1533084522
    32 min
  • 168 - The Year Of In-Plan Annuities with Matt Wolniewicz
    Many people will experience shock when they open their 401(k) statements this year. Will the growing awareness of market risk open the doors for more in-plan annuity offerings in 2023? Today, we explore the challenges and opportunities of creating income protection inside 401(k) plans with Matt Wolniewicz, President at Income America. Links mentioned: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewwolniewicz/ https://www.incomeamerica.com/
    40 min
  • 167 - Answering Social Security Questions in Today's Environment with Martha Shedden
    Social Security remains the starting point for many client conversations. It takes a lot of work to stay current with the changes in rules. Martha Shedden, Co-founder, President at NARSSA, joins us today to talk about the tools agents can use. In addition, we cover answers to many common retirement questions that clients are asking today. Links mentioned: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marthashedden/ https://narssa.org/
    43 min
  • 166 - Keeping Annuity Regulations Rational with Kim O'Brien
    As is often the case in this industry, what is new is old. Today, we're seeing regulation re-emerge that the industry successfully challenged over 10 years ago. Kim O'Brien, Chief Executive Officer of the Federation of Americans for Consumer Choice joins us to talk about the new regs and court challenges her group currently leads. We also take the opportunity to get her perspective on a number of industry trends. Links mentioned: https://facchoice.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/kim-o-brien-4483a55/166 - Keeping Annuity Regulations Rational with Kim O'Brien Thanks to our sponsor, The Index Standard! https://www.theindexstandard.com
    43 min
  • 165 How I Built This Practice From Facebook with Andy Panko
    We usually have a good idea of where our interviews will head. However, sometimes we discover a more interesting story the longer we talk. That happened today. We thought we would we would be discussing advisory fee structures. Instead, we learned how Andy Panko, owner and financial planner at Tenon Financial built a half million dollar a year practice starting with a private Facebook group in 2019 and a strong commitment to fair pricing. Take good notes! Links mentioned: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andypanko/ https://tenonfinancial.com/
    54 min
  • 164 - You Can't Solve Risk By Adding More Risk with David Macchia
    Rising inflation and rising rates have created a challenging environment for retirees. At the same time, our industry is poised to offer significant protection. Today, we cover the waterfront with David Macchia, Founder & CEO of Wealth2k. We also talk about David's project to deliver free financial planning services for underserved communities. Links mentioned: https://www.linkedin.com/in/macchia/ https://www.project6000minutes.com/
    40 min

About That Annuity Show

From the publisher's feed

We want to help every independent agent or retirement planner be successful explaining the benefits all types of annuities - fixed indexed annuities in particular. You should walk away each time you…

More shows like That Annuity Show

Money Guy Show by Brian Preston and Bo Hanson

Money Guy Show

3,235 Listeners

Investing Insights by Morningstar, Ivanna Hampton, Sarah Hansen

Investing Insights

523 Listeners

Macro Voices by Erik Townsend

Macro Voices

3,052 Listeners

Your Money, Your Wealth by Your Money, Your Wealth

Your Money, Your Wealth

799 Listeners

Talking Real Money - Investing Talk by Don McDonald

Talking Real Money - Investing Talk

780 Listeners

The Retirement and IRA Show by Jim Saulnier, CFP® & Chris Stein, CFP®

The Retirement and IRA Show

753 Listeners

The Rational Reminder Podcast by Benjamin Felix, Cameron Passmore, and Dan Bortolotti

The Rational Reminder Podcast

478 Listeners

The Long View by Morningstar, Christine Benz - Director of Personal Finance and Retirement Planning, Ben Johnson - Head of Client Solutions, Amy Arnott - Portfolio Strategist

The Long View

934 Listeners

7 Figure Annuity Sales by Chad C. Owen

7 Figure Annuity Sales

44 Listeners

Ready For Retirement by James Conole, CFP®

Ready For Retirement

832 Listeners

Annuity Straight Talk by Bryan Anderson

Annuity Straight Talk

15 Listeners

Retirement Planning Education, with Andy Panko by Andy Panko

Retirement Planning Education, with Andy Panko

1,070 Listeners

Forward Guidance by Blockworks

Forward Guidance

263 Listeners

Retire With Style by Wade Pfau & Alex Murguia

Retire With Style

187 Listeners

Prof G Markets by Vox Media Podcast Network

Prof G Markets

1,449 Listeners