The 4th Wave in Therapy

In this episode of the Fourth Wave in Therapy podcast, Dr. Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Larry Burk, a holistic musculoskeletal radiologist, about the mind-body connection, particularly focusing on frozen shoulder and the emotions associated with it. They discuss Larry's personal journey into holistic healing, the role of emotions like anger and grief in physical ailments, and various healing modalities including EFT and expressive writing. The conversation also touches on the medical field's evolving perspective on mind-body healing and the significance of dreams in understanding our emotional health.

Larry Burk, MD, CEHP, is a retired holistic musculoskeletal radiologist who now works as an online health coach and Certified Energy Health Practitioner. He trained in hypnosis in 1990. Dr. Burk did his medical school and radiology residency training at the University of Pittsburgh and a fellowship at the University of Pennsylvania. He was an associate professor of radiology and head of the musculoskeletal section at Duke University. He was co-founder and education director of Duke Integrative Medicine and took the UCLA Acupuncture for Physicians course in 1998.

Larry learned Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) in 2002 and has taught tapping at Duke Integrative Medicine since 2016. His EFT mentors are Carol Look and  Margaret Lynch Raniere. He facilitates the monthly Dream Study Group for the Rhine Research Center on Zoom.

He has published three books, Let Magic Happen: Adventures in Healing with a Holistic Radiologist in 2012, Dreams That Can Save Your Life: Early Warning Signs of Cancer and Other Diseases in 2018, Frozen Shoulder Healing: Diagnostic Methods and Treatment Options in 2025. Details about his coaching practice, newsletters, blogs, and videos can be found on his website.

Website: https://letmagichappen.com/. 

Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-larry-burk 

In this episode, Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Hayley Kelly, a clinical psychologist, discussing the challenges within the mental health system, the burnout faced by therapists, and the disconnect between therapy practices and business skills. They explore the evolving expectations of clients and the need for innovation in therapy to better serve the community. We delve into the evolving landscape of therapy practices, exploring the critical need for innovation and adaptation in the field. As societal challenges and technological advancements reshape the way we approach mental health, therapists are called to embrace new methods and tools to enhance their practice. Join us as I chat with Dr Hayley Kelly and discover how innovation is not just an option but a necessity in the future world of mental health care.

Dr. Hayley Kelly is a clinical psychologist, speaker, and founder of Therapists Rising. With over a decade in the therapy room and a PhD in psychology, Hayley now helps therapists expand their impact beyond one-to-one work through her Mental Health 3.0 framework — a future-ready model for thriving in a digital-first, ethically complex mental health landscape. Her work bridges evidence-based clinical excellence with innovation, equity, and accessibility, equipping therapists to adapt, lead, and create change in a system that’s struggling to keep pace with the world around it.

Website: https://therapistsrising.com/ 

Show notes and resources are available here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-hayley-kelly 

In this engaging conversation, Dr. Carol Look, a founding EFT master, shares her journey from traditional psychotherapy to energy psychology, emphasising the transformative power of EFT tapping and gratitude. The discussion explores the concepts of healing, anxiety, resistance, and family patterns, while highlighting the importance of finding one's own 'yes' and the scientific benefits of gratitude practices. Carol's insights provide valuable tools for therapists and clients alike, showcasing how tapping can facilitate emotional healing and personal growth.

Dr Carol Look is a psychotherapist, Founding EFT Master, international speaker, and best-selling author of 2 books: The Yes Code: Transforming Sabotage into Success. and Yes, Thank You: Tapping Into the Superpower of Gratitude. Carol combines her traditional training as a psychotherapist with clinical hypnosis and advanced applications of EFT Tapping for unprecedented results with her clients. Known for her laser-like focus and state-of-the-art approach, Carol has used EFT Tapping for over 25 years to help clients release their limiting beliefs and emotional conflicts so they can enjoy lives of exceptional success and fulfilment.

Carol is a world-renowned EFT workshop presenter and has taught workshops in England, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Ireland, Canada, Australia, and all over the United States. She is a regularly featured energy medicine expert on leading global tele-summits, and is featured as a top expert in the field’s leading documentaries. For more on Carol’s programs, visit www.CarolLook.com.

Websites:
www.carollook.com 
www.theyescode.com 
https://www.carollook.com/blog/ 
https://www.carollook.com/abundance-store/ 

Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-carol-look 

In this episode, Peta Stapleton interviews Celina Tonkin about her personal journey with a Desmoid tumor and how she utilized Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) to navigate her health crisis. They discuss the emotional challenges faced during diagnosis, the role of tapping in managing anxiety and pain, and the insights gained from her experiences. Selena shares her reflections on the importance of addressing childhood trauma and the transformative power of EFT in her healing process.

Celina Tonkin, is a powerful Coach who has combines her 15 years’ experience as Hypnotherapist, Neuro-Linguistic Programming Trainer, to successfully coach and empowered hundreds of people to move from being stuck in dysfunctional personal and business relationships, overeating, debt, poverty mentality, to having freedom and power in these areas.

Celina’s passion is working with otherwise persistent and difficult issues and developing and utilising proven programs to facilitate powerful results in these areas.

Her flagship program, “The Missing Link, as an extension of the program EFT and Food Cravings, designed by my friend and mentor, Dr Peta Stapleton, who is an Associate Professor at Bond University and the leading world researcher in EFT and weight management.

She has also co-written a book, with Dr Peta Stapleton, “EFT for Introverts” - to enable introverts to emerge from hiding and show up powerfully in this world all the while feeling safe and congruent to their own values.

Website: https://celinatonkin.com/ 

Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/celina-tonkin 

 In this episode, Dr. Gina Cleo discusses the science of habit change and its profound impact on wellbeing. She shares her personal journey into habit science, emphasizing the importance of understanding how habits are formed and how they can be changed. The conversation explores the neuroscience behind habits, the role of dopamine, and practical strategies for establishing healthy habits, particularly around sleep and wellbeing. Dr. Cleo also debunks the myth of the 21-day habit formation rule and provides insights for therapists on helping clients develop new habits.

Dr. Gina Cleo is a globally recognised expert in habit change and wellbeing, and is passionate about translating scientific evidence into simple, actionable strategies to help improve health, wellness and mindset-related habits-long-term.

Gina has a PhD in habit change, is an Assistant Professor at Bond University, and an Accredited Dietitian. Her research has been published in highly reputable medical journals globally, and she has been featured in over 250 media outlets including Australian’s major television networks and leading print and online publications. She is also a regular keynote speaker and expert panellist at national and international conferences. In 2024, Gina released her best-selling book, The Habit Revolution, further establishing her as a leading voice in the field of habit change. When she’s not geeking out on new habit research, Gina is running courses through her Habit Change Institute and working the land on her acreage property.

Website: www.drginacleo.com

Instagram: www.instagram.com/drginacleo 

Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-gina-cleo 

Dr Megan Lee is an assistant professor of psychology at Bond University and the secretary of the International Society of Nutritional Psychiatry Research. Dr Lee has published articles on dietary patterns and depression, intuitive eating, and the role of nutrition in mental health.

To make contact about the therapist study Megan mentioned at the end, Email: [email protected]

Website: www.foodmooddoctor.org

X, Facebook, & Instagram: @foodmooddoctor

We discussed the BlueZones: Five geographical locations where people live exceptionally long and high-quality lives and have the highest population fo centinarians. People who live in the Blue Zones eat a predominantly plant-based diet, have more physically active lives and experience greater social connection to other locations in the world. They are Icaria (Greece), Sardinia (Italy), Okinawa (Japan). Loma Linda (USA), Nicoya Peninsula (Cost Rica).

The papers we discuss, show notes and resources are on the podcast page to explore - https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Dr-Megan-Lee 

Mary Sise discusses the integration of spirituality in therapy and the importance of addressing trauma before introducing spiritual concepts. She explains the process of soul weaving, which involves bringing the client's present self back to their younger self to heal and integrate fragmented aspects. This process allows clients to develop a loving relationship with themselves and access suppressed emotions. Sise emphasizes the significance of working with a trained practitioner when dealing with trauma and chronic health issues. 

Show notes, transcripts and more are on the podcast page here 

https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Mary-Sise 

About Mary Sise

For over two decades, Mary Sise has been a leading voice in advancing the field of energy psychology.

In addition to being traditionally trained as a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, she has earned her Diplomate in Comprehensive Energy Psychology. As coach and mentor, Mary integrates energy techniques into her practice and has trained hundreds of clinicians in these methods. 

Mary has pioneered methodologies and techniques including The Soul Weaving Process. She has also advocated for expanded clinical understanding of the integral interrelationship of the mind, body, and spirit in the healing paradigm. She presents at conferences and develops training and course work especially in the areas of releasing negative beliefs, healing trauma and dissociation, and the role and responsibilities of the practitioner.

In 2007, Mary co-authored the book, The Energy of Belief: Psychology’s Power Tools to Focus Intention & Release Blocking Beliefs, which teaches individuals how to transform the beliefs that are holding them back. This popular self-help book initially focused on the energy psychology method of touch and breath (TAB) to transform beliefs. In 2022, the book was updated to include EFT/Tapping and re-released as The Energy of Belief: Simple, Proven Techniques to Release Limiting Beliefs & Transform Your Life. It quickly became an Amazon Best Selling Book.

In 2020, Mary wrote the Amazon Kindle bestseller, Tapping the Panic Out of Pandemic, a no-nonsense guide for navigating uncertain times.

Mary has also served as President of the Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology, the international professional organization dedicated to energy psychology training, research and humanitarian work.

Visit Mary here https://marysise.com/ 

In this episode, Tapas Fleming, a pioneer in the energy psychology field, shares her journey of developing the Tapas Acupressure Technique (TAT). She was inspired to create a simpler, faster, and cheaper way to help her clients overcome allergies. Through her exploration, she discovered specific acupuncture points that, when touched, improved the effectiveness of her treatments. This led her to develop the TAT pose, which involves touching specific points on the face and head. TAT is a powerful tool for healing emotional trauma and updating outdated beliefs and emotions. It can also be used to address intergenerational trauma.

For show notes, transcripts and more visit the podcast page here

https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Tapas-Fleming

About Tapas Fleming

After facilitating personal growth for many years, Tapas Fleming became interested in physical and energetic healing. She became a Licensed Acupuncturist and began her practice in 1987, specializing in the treatment of allergies.

Searching for a simple, effective treatment, Tapas developed TAT in 1993. She soon realized that in addition to relieving her patients' allergic reactions, TAT was clearing the effects of their past stressful or traumatic experiences in an easy, gentle way. Now one of the most celebrated leaders in energy psychology, Tapas has taught TAT to hundreds of thousands of enthusiastic people worldwide.

The TAT Story -  https://tatlife.com/what-is-tat/the-tat-story-by-tapas-fleming/

Website:  https://tatlife.com

Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/tatlifehome

YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/user/TATLifeVideos

Tiktok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@tatlife_

Dr Peta talks with Dr Christine McKee in this episode - about relationships and relational health. They discuss the role of the autonomic nervous system in deep connection, and intimacy, and the different tools that can be used to regulate (oneself and in a couple). 

Chris discusses her approach to working with couples in therapy, focusing on somatic and relational health. She emphasizes the importance of regulation and attachment in relationships, and how these factors impact the ability to be present and connected. Dr. McKee explains her step-by-step process, starting with self-regulation and then moving to co-regulation, where couples practice techniques such as eye contact, light touch, and non-distracted space. She also highlights the significance of tempo and pacing in therapy, ensuring that the slowest person's needs are met. The goal is to create a safe and regulated environment where vulnerable conversations can take place.

For show notes, transcripts, resources and more visit the podcast episode page here

https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Dr-Christine-McKee

Christine discusses a guide she created just for our listeners - An Orienting to Now Tools Guide

What you get inside the Guide:

Free download is available here https://www.drchristinemckee.com/Orienting_to_Now_Tools_Guide 

About Dr Christine McKee

Christine is a a New Zealand born, Aussie-raised, Canada living psychologist (Australia), master practitioner in clinical counselling (Canada), with 20 years of hands-on clinical and corporate experience.

She has had the pleasure of working alongside amazing individuals, couples, families, leaders, and teams across diverse industries and countries and her passion has always been people. Chirtsine is especially focussed on helping people to thrive in healthy relationships - be it partner, parent, family, work, or friendships. 

Visit Christine and her work https://www.drchristinemckee.com/home  

This interview was a dream come true. Imagine chatting to Dr Joe Vitale!

In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Joe Vitale shares insights into Ho'oponopono, a Hawaiian healing technique that emphasizes personal responsibility and inner transformation. He explains the significance of the four key phrases used in this practice and recounts his journey to discover Ho'oponopono through Dr. Hew Len. The discussion also explores the applications of Ho'oponopono in various aspects of life, including relationships and personal challenges, and introduces Dr. Vitale's latest work, 'Zero Limits Living,' which synthesizes his teachings on mindset, movement, and mysticism.

For show notes, transcripts and more visit the podcast episode page here 

https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Dr-Joe-Vitale

 About Dr Joe Vitale

Dr. Joe Vitale is a world renowned Personal Development expert and star of the blockbuster hit movie on the Law of Attraction, The Secret. Author over over 75 books on a wide range of development topics, he's helped thousands at his live events and millions through the internet, his books and educational programs. Dr. Vitale has developed The New Awakening with love and all of the skills and knowledge he's gained in over 35 years of helping people create the lives they desire and deserve.

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Books are here https://www.mrfire.com/shop/ 

Website is https://www.mrfire.com/