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If you're competing against companies with massive marketing budgets, paid ads alone won’t win.
In this episode of The B2B Playbook, we sit down with Alex Bedwani, founder of PetsOnMe, to unpack how he built growth using a B2B2C marketing strategy instead of competing head-to-head in B2C channels.
In industries like insurance, the biggest brands dominate paid channels. They can outspend you on ads, outbid you on keywords, and convert better because people already trust them.
So Alex took a different path.
Instead of competing directly, he built partnerships with associations and corporations to distribute pet insurance to their employees and members.
We break down exactly how the B2B2C strategy works, how to land partnerships, and how to activate them so they actually generate revenue.
Tune in and learn:
+ Why competing head-on in B2C markets is often a losing game
+ How to use partnerships as a distribution channel
+ The activation tactics that turn partnerships into real revenue
If you're a founder or marketer trying to grow in a competitive category, this episode will change how you think about distribution.
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00:00 Why Small Brands Lose in Paid Acquisition
00:35 Competing Against Big Insurance Brands
02:00 Why Alex Started PetsOnMe
03:30 The Hidden Monopoly in Pet Insurance
05:30 Why B2C Marketing Was Impossible to Win
07:00 The Real Cost Advantage Big Brands Have
09:00 The Pivot: Discovering the B2B2C Marketing Strategy
10:00 What B2B2C Looks Like in Practice
12:50 Turning Pet Insurance Into an Employee Benefit
15:00 Finding the Right Corporate Partners
17:00 Why Signing the Partnership Is Only 10% of the Work
19:00 The Key to Getting HR Managers Interested
20:50 The Fitness First Example of B2B2C Growth
22:00 How to Stay Top of Mind With Corporate Partners
24:00 The 3-Way Win That Makes B2B2C Work
26:00 The Due Diligence Corporates Will Do On You
28:00 Activating Members After the Partnership Is Signed
29:00 Creative Activation: The Cutest Dog Competition
31:00 Why Data Is Harder in B2B2C Partnerships
33:00 Using Events and Talks to Drive Signups
35:00 Why Face-to-Face Still Converts Best
36:30 Personalised Marketing That Converts
39:00 Managing 70+ Partnerships Without Chaos
40:00 When to Kill a Partnership Quickly
42:00 The Most Important Rule in B2B2C Partnerships
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S08 E222 - The B2B Playbook
#b2b #b2bmarketing #digitalmarketing #demandgeneration #b2b2c #partnerships
If you’ve ever struggled to defend brand budget in a performance-obsessed company — this episode is for you.
We sat down with Matt Maynard, VP of Brand Advertising & Comms at Asana, to break down how brand actually drives growth — and how to measure it properly inside a B2B business.
This isn’t theory. It’s a practical framework for small teams trying to prove brand works.
We unpack:
- Why brand keeps losing to performance
- Why “consideration” is usually measured wrong
- How to use Category Entry Points (CEPs)
- The 95:5 rule explained simply
- And how to measure mental availability without a massive budget
Tune in and learn:
- Why growth is driven by memory, not persuasion
- The 3 brand metrics every B2B team should track
- How to turn brand into a performance engine
If you’re in a B2B team trying to punch above your weight, this is mandatory viewing.
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00:00 Why Brand Keeps Losing Budget in B2B
02:10 Brand vs Performance: Vibes vs System
04:00 Why Finance Doesn’t Fund “Brand”
07:10 The Science Behind How Brands Actually Grow
10:00 Brand = Memory (Not Campaigns)
12:30 Why Loyalty & Word of Mouth Don’t Drive Growth
14:00 What Are Category Entry Points (CEPs)?
17:00 Why Small Brands Grow Slower
20:30 How to Measure Brand Properly in B2B
25:00 Breaking Consideration Into 3 Metrics
30:00 Measuring Brand Without a Big Budget
31:40 The 95:5 Rule Explained
34:00 Brand Lift vs Vanity Metrics
36:00 Brand & Performance Aren’t Enemies
37:40 What Brand Teams Should Report
41:10 Protecting Consistency
43:00 The 3 Jobs of Brand Marketing
44:50 How Small Teams Can Start Today
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S08 E221 - The B2B Playbook
#b2b #b2bmarketing #digitalmarketing #brandmarketing #demandgeneration
In this video, we dive into why B2B partnerships are one of the most powerful (and underused) growth strategies in 2026, and how to get your first one off the ground.
We cover:
Why partnerships act as a trust shortcut with your target audience, how rising paid media costs (up ~14% per year) are making partnerships more essential than ever, and the exact 4-step framework to land your first B2B partnership.
If you are a B2B marketer or founder struggling with rising customer acquisition costs and want a more affordable, high-trust way to reach your ideal customers.
Tune in and learn:
- Why partnerships transfer trust from aligned brands to your audience
- How overlapping ICPs make partnerships more effective than cold outreach
- Why AI-generated content is making owned audiences even more valuable
- The importance of executive buy-in and clear KPIs to make partnerships stick
- Brian's #1 tip: don't go for the big fish first. Start with complementary, similarly-sized partners
- The 4-step action framework: identify, shortlist (top 3–5), reach out, and go deep
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Timestamps:
00:00 – Why partnerships are a trust shortcut
00:56 – Welcome to Season 8 (first in-person recording!)
02:14 – The Five Bs Framework recap
10:52 – Why noise is getting worse (and what to do about it)
12:18 – The real-life analogy: partnerships as personal introductions
14:24 – Rising paid media costs & the 14% CAC benchmark
16:14 – How partnerships help share distribution costs
18:08 – Why AI makes trust-based channels even more important
20:04 – Key ingredients: overlapping ICP & give-and-get relationships
24:22 – Getting executive buy-in & setting clear KPIs
26:13 – The fastest way to kill a partnership
29:14 – The 4-step action framework to get started this week
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S08 E220 - The B2B Playbook
#b2b #partnerships #b2bmarketing
Revenue leaders don’t trust their pipeline anymore.
In this episode, we sit down with Phil Cleary – 20+ year Salesforce veteran and co-lead of the Revenue Enablement Society – to unpack what’s really happening inside revenue teams right now.
We break down why forecasts are slipping, why pipeline feels fabricated, and why traditional sales training isn’t fixing behaviour.
This is a deep dive into revenue enablement strategy at the leadership level.
We cover:
+ Why buyers are frozen (FOBO from FOMO)
+ The 2x2 coaching model every sales leader should use
+ Why “software with a service” is the future of SaaS
+ How behaviour, identity, and mindset drive real adoption
+ Why you are your calendar
If you lead sales, marketing, or revenue teams – this conversation will challenge how you think about enablement.
Tune in and learn:
+ How to fix forecast uncertainty
+ How to build behaviour-led performance
+ How to align revenue teams around real commercial oversight
If you care about predictable revenue, commercial common sense, and long-term alignment – this one’s essential.
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00:00 Why Revenue Leaders Are Losing Confidence in Their Forecast
04:40 FOMO vs FOBO: Why Buyers Are Frozen
08:10 Is Your Pipeline Fake?
11:20 Revenue Retention Is Changing Sales Behaviour
14:00 Why Commercial Handover Is Broken
16:20 The Smash-and-Grab Sales Problem
19:50 The 2x2 Coaching Framework
22:30 Toxic High Performers
25:00 What Good Behaviour Looks Like
29:30 Why Training Fails
31:00 The Kirkpatrick Model
33:10 Specialisation in Sales Teams
36:10 Thinking Like a Franchise Owner
39:40 You Are Your Calendar
42:10 Growth Mindset in Revenue Teams
48:20 SaaS vs Software With a Service
54:30 Crossing the Chasm
01:00:10 Revenue Enablement Society
01:04:00 The Art and Science of Leadership
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S08 E219 - The B2B Playbook
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Most B2B content looks polished. But almost none of it gets remembered.
In this episode, we break down why humour isn’t a creative risk in B2B.
It’s a strategic advantage.
We’re joined by Luke Winter, founder of Deadpan and one of the few people proving that B2B marketing with humour drives memory, brand lift, and real revenue.
Luke shares how a single funny B2B video generated over $300K in sales, why AI-generated content is creating sameness, and how brands can use comedy frameworks to stand out without needing a massive budget.
We also unpack:
+ Why most B2B brands confuse looking professional with being effective
+ The science behind entertaining ads and higher conversion rates
+ How to turn real customer pain points into memorable content
+ Five practical frameworks to generate funny B2B ideas
+ How to build a sitcom-style content series for your brand
+ How to get CEO buy-in without calling it “comedy”
Tune in and learn:
+ Why humour works better than features in B2B
+ How to create distinctive brand memory in a world of AI slop
+ How to apply comedy without damaging credibility
If you’re a B2B marketer trying to stand out, build trust, and stop blending in, this episode is essential.
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00:00 Why Humour Is a Smart B2B Brand Strategy
01:10 Why B2B Comedy Is Untapped
02:00 AI vs Memorability
03:20 Why Corporate Videos Fail
04:10 The Video That Changed Everything
06:00 From 234 Views to $300K
07:00 The Showmanship Era
08:10 Why B2B Content Gets Ignored
09:10 Showmanship vs Salesmanship
10:00 Turning Pain into Comedy
11:30 The Data Behind Funny Ads
13:00 Why Humour Isn’t Risky
15:00 The Customer Is the Hero
16:40 Comedy Frameworks
20:20 Comedic Displacement
23:20 Opposites in Comedy
26:00 Metaphors That Work
28:00 Parody and Associations
31:40 Testing with Memes
34:30 Sitcom-Style B2B Content
36:50 Getting CEO Buy-In
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S08 E218 - The B2B Playbook
#b2b #b2bmarketing #brandstrategy #humourinmarketing #demandgeneration
Most small B2B teams know product marketing matters.
Very few know how to make it work without specialists or big budgets.
In this episode, we’re joined by Kayla Medica, creator of the Medica Method, to break down how product marketing actually works inside lean B2B teams.
We unpack what breaks when no one owns product marketing, how to align product, sales, and leadership around one story, and why pricing is just as much a product marketing problem as it is a commercial one.
Kayla also explains why most B2B personas fail, how to build real feedback loops with sales, and how small teams can punch above their weight without burning out.
Tune in and learn:
+ How product marketing really works in small B2B teams
+ What product marketers should say no to (and when)
+ Why pricing and positioning are inseparable
If you’re in a small B2B team trying to create consistency between marketing, sales, and product, this episode is a must-watch.
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00:00 Why Product Marketing Breaks in Small Teams
02:10 What Happens When No One Owns Product Marketing
04:16 Product Marketing Explained
05:23 The Medica Method
07:46 Why Small Teams Can’t Pause Work
09:11 Who Product Marketing Aligns With
10:52 Executive Buy-In
12:00 Net-New vs Expansion Growth
14:15 Product Marketing Boundaries
17:50 Fixing Sales Feedback Loops
23:50 Why B2B Personas Fail
29:50 Pricing as Product Marketing
35:40 Showing Pricing on Your Website
38:40 Taylor Swift Pricing Lessons
42:30 Status Signalling in B2B
46:00 Product Marketing as a Career
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S08 E217 - The B2B Playbook
#b2b #productmarketing #b2bmarketing #pricingstrategy #gotomarket
Most B2B teams rely on founder energy – until it stops working.
In this episode, we sit down with Adam Holmgren, CEO and co-founder of Fibber, to break down how founder-led marketing actually works – and why it hits a ceiling faster than most teams expect.
Adam walks us through how he turned his personal LinkedIn presence into early traction, why founder-only growth stalled after the first 50 customers, and how he built a system that blends founder trust with brand memory.
This is a practical breakdown of a modern founder-led marketing strategy – without fluff, vanity metrics, or burnout.
Tune in and learn:
+ Why people buy from founders before they buy products
+ How to scale founder content beyond personal reach
+ Why Thought Leadership Ads work – and where they fall short
+ How brand memory unlocks the next stage of growth
If you’re a B2B marketer or founder trying to turn visibility into pipeline, this episode shows how to bridge founder energy into a real brand engine.
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00:00 Why good content dies without distribution
01:00 Why founders are the strongest distribution engine
02:20 Meet Adam Holmgren and the Fibber story
03:40 How B2B buyers actually make decisions
05:00 Why SaaS competition forces founder-led marketing
06:30 Posting before you even have a product
07:50 How Adam launched with built-in trust
09:00 The ceiling of founder-led growth
10:30 Why founder reach eventually stalls
11:45 The brand trust problem no one talks about
13:00 Founder-led marketing is not enough
14:10 Adam’s founder brand framework explained
17:00 Using Thought Leader Ads to break out of your network
18:40 Why Thought Leader Ads fail to build brand
20:00 The Pink Lion and brand memory
27:40 The four engines of growth
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S08 E216 - The B2B Playbook
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B2B Brand Strategy for Enterprise Sales: How Brand Opens Doors Marketing Can’tMost B2B marketing never reaches enterprise decision-makers.This episode shows why brand is the bridge sales actually needs.In this session from our Full Circle conference, we’re joined by Ari Yablok, Head of Brand at Island.Ari breaks down how brand becomes the permission slip that lets sales into rooms traditional marketing can’t access.We unpack why enterprise executives ignore most marketing, why big promises backfire, and how positioning, personality, and story create trust before the first sales call.This isn’t about logos or colours.It’s about building a B2B brand strategy that makes enterprise buyers lean in instead of tune out. Tune in and learn:+ Why enterprise buyers are sceptical by default+ How brand positioning creates real differentiation+ How story and personality shorten sales cycles If you’re selling to senior decision-makers and struggling to get attention, this episode shows why brand isn’t optional.It’s the door-opener. -----------------------------------------------------🔗 Links + CTAs-----------------------------------------------------🎓 Join our Demand Generation Program: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-course🧠 Learn how to drive revenue across your organisation with CRO School: https://theb2bplaybook.com/cro-school💼 Need help running your own LinkedIn Thought Leadership Ads? https://theb2bplaybook.com/linkedin-ads-agency-----------------------------------------------------SUBSCRIBE to our channel: / @theb2bplaybook SUBSCRIBE to our newsletter: https://theb2bplaybook.com/newsletterGET the latest CONTENT: https://theb2bplaybook.com/-----------------------------------------------------00:00 Why Brand Opens Doors Sales Can’t01:20 Why Enterprise Executives Ignore Marketing03:50 The Real Cost of Selling Software Internally06:10 Why Generic Messaging Fails08:20 The Hidden Risk Buyers See10:40 Why Features Don’t Convince13:10 Brand as Infrastructure15:30 Positioning Sweet Spot17:40 Why SaaS Positioning Sounds the Same19:50 Great vs Generic AI Examples21:50 Brand Personality as a Moat24:10 Archetypes That Differentiate26:10 Storytelling That Creates Order29:10 How Buyers Really Decide31:50 Island Brand Case Study36:40 Relevance That Resonates39:10 Thought Leadership That Pre-Sells40:40 Trust Signals That Shorten Sales Cycles43:00 Brand for Small Teams -----------------------------------------------------👥 Are you a B2B marketer in a small team??💰 Need to bring in more revenue for your company (so sales and your boss love you??)Get the:🔹 strategy🔹 templates🔹 toolsSo you have everything you need to drive more revenue for your brand.See why other B2B marketers like you love The B2B IncubatorCheck out: https://theb2bplaybook.com/demand-generation-courseS08 E215 - The B2B Playbook#b2b #b2bmarketing #brandstrategy #enterprisesales #demandgeneration
Most B2B content fails because it isn’t built on a strategy.
In this episode of The B2B Playbook, we break down a practical B2B content strategy framework and explain why most content gets created, published, and forgotten.
We unpack why “adding value” isn’t enough, why engagement metrics are misleading, and how to anchor your content to a clear point of view so it actually supports revenue.
We also share the 3-question Point of View framework we teach inside The B2B Incubator, and explain how your content should naturally lead to your product or service without burning trust.
Tune in and learn:
+ Why most B2B content strategies fail
+ How to anchor content to a clear point of view
+ How to make your product the logical conclusion of your c
If you’re a small B2B marketing team under pressure to deliver pipeline, this framework will help you stop wasting effort and start compounding impact.
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00:00 Why Most B2B Content Fails
00:31 What This B2B Content Strategy Framework Solves
01:10 The 5 Bs Framework Explained
02:00 Content for Content’s Sake Is the Real Issue
03:10 The Pressure That Breaks B2B Content
04:30 Why “Add Value” Isn’t a Strategy
05:40 Engagement Without Memory Is Wasted
06:10 Lead Gen vs Demand Gen Content
07:10 Should You Chase High-Volume Topics?
08:05 The 95% of Buyers Most Content Ignores
09:20 What a Real Content Strategy Should Do
10:00 Making Your Product the Logical Conclusion
11:00 Why Random AI Content Breaks Strategy
12:20 When Content Doesn’t Have to Sell
13:30 The 3-Question POV Framework
15:00 Challenging Broken B2B Assumptions
16:30 Why Timing Matters to Your ICP
17:30 Mapping POV to the 5 Stages of Awareness
18:40 The One Rule Every B2B Content Strategy Needs
19:10 Turning Content Into a Growth Engine
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S07 E214 - The B2B Playbook
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Closed Circuit Selling: Why the Funnel Is Breaking Your GTM
Most go-to-market teams aren’t failing on effort. They’re failing on architecture.
In this episode, we sit down with Charles Needham (co-author of Cold Call Algo) alongside Adem Manderovic (CRO School) to break down why the linear funnel is the biggest sacred cow in sales, and why Closed Circuit Selling is the better model for modern outbound.
We unpack incentives, silos, CAC payback insanity, and why “meetings booked” became a broken religion. Then we get practical. How to run outbound as market learning. How to capture timing signals. And how to build feedback loops that actually make marketing, sales, and customer success stronger together.
Tune in and learn:
+ Why buyer journeys are non-linear, and funnels create blind spots
+ How to shift from meetings quotas to conversation-driven market validation
+ Why intent data can’t replace first-party conversations
If you’re a B2B marketer or revenue leader, this is the blueprint for building a GTM system that compounds instead of churns.
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00:00 The “Sacred Cow”: Why the Linear Funnel Breaks Reality
01:00 Who’s Charles Needham (And Why He Thinks Like a Quant)
04:30 From Mortgage Bonds to CRMs: Seeing Sales as a Database
07:00 The Moment He Realised “Meetings Booked” Is a Trap
09:10 Closed Loop Continuity vs Funnel Checklists
11:40 What Silos Destroy: Feedback Loops That Never Make It Back
14:10 CAC Payback Madness: When “Growth” Becomes Insanity
17:10 The Conversations Model: Comp People for Learning, Not Meetings
20:05 Predictable Revenue Misread: “Market Development” Got Lost
21:00 VC Algebra vs Real Buyers: “The Customer Doesn’t Exist”
28:10 The 2008 Analogy: Incentives Create Fragile Systems
32:20 Intent Data Hot Take: “Or You Could Call Them”
36:00 The Guitar Demo: What “Cataloguing” Really Means
39:00 “Talk to Everybody”: The Outbound Belief Most CROs Don’t Hold
41:45 Fixing the Root: Change Comp, or Nothing Changes
48:10 Market Validation vs Cataloguing: The Language Problem
56:35 AI Didn’t Fix Outbound. It Scaled the Spam Cannon
59:30 What Works Next: Follow the Underpriced Channel (Then Move)
1:06:00 Cold Call Algo: The “Unplanned Communication” Thesis
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