The Biblical Mind

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  • If Christians Read Scripture Like Jews Do (Ari Lamm)

    Christians who feel uneasy with tricky texts in Scripture have something to learn from Jewish Bible readers. Jews actually seek out challenges in the Bible, because they believe these are God’s invitation to develop and use wisdom.  

    In this episode, Dru Johnson interviews Rabbi Dr. Ari Lamm, a “historian of religion who is interested in the role of religion, religious values, and tradition in shaping the global moral discourse.” His Orthodox Jewish upbringing taught him to embrace the view of the Hebrew Bible as layered, complex, and challenging—for, the very idea of God suggests that He has complex and layered ideas to communicate with His creation. Dr. Lamm encourages Christians to be similarly comfortable with questioning biblical stories on a deeper level.

    Don’t forget to check out Dr. Lamm’s podcast Good Faith Effort, where he “speaks with thinkers, writers, artists, and faith leaders to explore how the Bible continues to inform our lives today, from politics to psychology to pop culture, bringing Americans of different traditions and persuasions closer together as so much else threatens to pull us apart.”

    Show notes:

    • 5:56 Humans can partner with God to extend the work of creation.
    • 7:33 Hermeneutic of suspicion: Why doesn’t Joseph contact his father?
    • 15:38 Is it typical for Jewish interpretation to ask questions that are constrained to the text?
    • 17:35 The rabbis’ legends.
    • 22:35 What made Joseph resilient?
    • 26:04 The permission to ask questions of Scripture
    • 29:32 Using one character to interpret another: Why does God choose Abraham?
    • Show notes by Serena Tuomi

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      38 min
    • The Church's Alarming Neglect of the Old Testament (Brent Strawn)

      Is the church gradually abandoning the Old Testament?

      Surveys of Americans from all walks of life and church backgrounds show that we have grown less and less literate in the Hebrew Scriptures. This causes a host of problems, such as mistaken preconceptions of the text or belief that the Old Testament is outdated or unnecessary. Especially in a culture so far removed from the original world of the text, how can we learn to read the Bible empathetically and humbly?

      In this episode, Dru Johnson interviews Dr. Brent Strawn, Professor of Old Testament and Law at Duke Divinity School. They discuss the church's widespread neglect of the Old Testament, and how to overcome the resulting problems. We should read the entire New Testament as situated within the conceptual world of the Old. They conclude with remarks about how the texts and art of other ancient Near Eastern cultures can help us understand Scripture.

      Show notes:

      • 0:00 The difficulties of reading the Hebrew Bible as modern people
      • 3:54 Approaching texts with humility
      • 7:17 Brent's book The Old Testament is Dying
      • 11:14 Boosting Bible literacy
      • 17:18 Using the Old Testament well
      • 25:48 Avoiding "word pollution"
      • 29:00 Reading the New Testament through the Old Testament
      • 34:33 Ancient Near Eastern views of the divine
      • 39:57 Art and iconography as a window into the text
      • Brent's book The Old Testament is Dying: A Diagnosis and Recommended Treatment

        Show notes by Micah Long.

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        43 min
      • On Whether There Is Sacred Music (Delvyn Case)

        Why do we think of some music as sacred music and some music as secular? Is it merely a lyrical or a historical distinction, or is there something about the style and genre that makes certain songs feel "spiritual"? Is the music of the ancient Hebrews more or less sacred than that of a modern Catholic mass or an evangelical megachurch? We are likely to distinguish between these different eras and genres to help categorize them as sacred or not; however, we should be more willing to challenge this distinction.

        In this episode, Dru Johnson interviews Delvyn Case, an accomplished composer, scholar, and performer, about the way Christians view music. As they break down the boundaries between secular and sacred music, they discuss why certain types of music feel more spiritual (such as Gospel or hymns) than others. They talk about bad worship music and how it influences our emotions to teach us thin, wobbly theology. They then discuss religious imagery, especially the figure of Christ, in popular music. Is Jesus more like a punk rocker, a hippie, or a communist? Music has the power to educate us and draw us nearer to God; however, it also has the power to mold our emotions and thoughts in sneaky, subconscious ways. If we learn to listen more closely, we can not only grow shrewder in our understanding of its power, but also discover its excellencies and faults.

        Show notes:

        • 0:00 "Sacred music" versus "secular music"
        • 3:56 Gospel music as transcendent
        • 9:30 The role of music in church
        • 14:12 Bad worship music
        • 19:09 Spiritual and educational music
        • 22:35 Popular music using church motifs
        • 28:18 The view of Jesus in pop music
        • 34:33 How to critically engage music
        • Read Delvyn's discussion of Jesus in pop music.

          Show notes by Micah Long.

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          38 min
        • How to Enjoy Reading the Bible (Matthew Mullins)

          Many of us approach Scripture with an "intellectualist" lens: we're seeking clear ideas with straightforward moral application for our lives. Often we do so unconsciously, because of our church background or the way we were first introduced to the Bible. This way of reading Scripture, while not entirely bad, disassociates us from the text. We don't read novels or poems like this, so why would we apply this lens to some of the greatest literary works of all time?

          In this episode, Dru Johnson interviews Dr. Matthew Mullins, Associate Professor of English and History of Ideas at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, about learning to love the Bible. Matthew Mullins wants to help us overcome our "Cartesian eyes" and read Scripture with our whole selves: emotion, rationality, and activity. They discuss Matthew's book, Enjoying the Bible: Literary Approaches to Loving the Scriptures, and how to read the Bible as literature instead of as a textbook. As we pursue more engaged reading of Scripture, we can understand the cares and concerns of the biblical authors, as well as transform the way we think and live.

          Show notes:

          • 0:00 Reading the Bible as literature
          • 2:05 Avoiding an information-centric perspective of Scripture
          • 6:25 Isolating reading and learning from emotion
          • 13:32 Learning to love the Bible
          • 17:24 Delighting in biblical wisdom
          • 21:15 Returning to the text to with new eyes
          • 24:00 "Reading at whim"
          • Matthew Mullins's talk: “You Can’t Understand the Bible If You Don’t Love Poetry”

            Show notes by Micah Long.

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            29 min
          • Behind the Scenes: CHT Staff Tells All! (Dru, Amy, Celina)

            Sometimes it's good to take a step back—so this week, the Center for Hebraic Thought staff switched things up. Instead of interviewing a scholar, Dru Johnson (CHT director), Amy Gabriel (CHT research associate), and Celina Durgin (CHT administrative director) chatted about the evolving mission and audience of the CHT, Bible literacy and Bible fluency, good and bad Bible-reading habits—in short, a smorgasbord of topics that lie at the heart of our organization.

            Show notes:

            • 00:30 The evolving mission of the Center for Hebraic Thought
            • 02:33 Shifting the audience of the CHT
            • 05:50 What is Hebraic thought, again?
            • 10:38 How—and how not—to read the Bible
            • 16:25 The origin and purpose of The Biblical Mind
            • 19:00 Bible literacy vs. Bible fluency
            • 34:41 What motivates people to read the Bible?
            • 38:30 The goal of the CHT and TBM
            • 43:55 Scripture's metaphors for itself
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              49 min
            • The Biblical Authors vs. Greek Philosophy (Joseph Dodson)

              The Bible is full of references to other texts, containing a diverse range of cultural forces and ideas. The biblical authors engaged with Egyptian mythology, Babylonian theology, and Hellenistic philosophy with a discerning eye for what to keep, what to reject, and what to turn on its head.

              In this episode, Dr. Joseph Dodson, Associate Professor of New Testament at Denver Seminary, joins Dru Johnson to discuss the interaction between Stoicism and Scripture. He describes the philosophical context within which the apostles wrote, including the Stoicism that was popular at the time. Then, they discuss how authors such as Paul and John appropriated (and sometimes contradicted) Stoic beliefs to articulate the gospel. They also talk about the diverse nature of the Hebraic intellectual world, the education of the apostles, and why we should read the Apocrypha.

              Show notes:

              • 0:00 The context of Scripture
              • 2:42 Defining Stoicism
              • 7:28 Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle
              • 12:01 Blending Judaism with Hellenistic philosophy
              • 20:05 The Hebraic intellectual world
              • 24:45 John's integration of philosophy
              • 28:30 Book recommendations on the context of the New Testament
              • A recommended book edited by Joseph Dodson: Paul and the Giants of Philosophy: Reading the Apostle in Greco-Roman Context

                Show notes by Micah Long.

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                35 min
              • Understanding Slavery in the Old Testament—and Today (Myrto Theocharous)

                Critics of Christianity, and even believers, point to the instances of slavery in the Old Testament as evidence of a cruel or careless God. However, a view of the ancient systems of slavery and the Torah's treatment of the oppressed reveals a very different picture. Far from being opposed to human dignity, the Hebrew Bible strives to humanize everyone, including those at the margins of society.

                In this episode, Dr. Myrto Theocharous and Dr. Dru Johnson discuss slavery and care for the oppressed in the Hebrew Bible. They note how the Torah insists on protection and dignity for slaves to prevent exploitation. They identify how slavery in the Old Testament differs from more recent versions and how we should understand our own cultural experiences when approaching the text. From there, we can begin to understand other related issues, such as how Christians should respond to systems of human trafficking and how Deuteronomy teaches people to care for the vulnerable even if we haven't experienced their circumstances ourselves.

                Show notes:

                • 0:00 A God against slavery
                • 4:02 Protections and humanization for slaves in the Torah
                • 7:27 Using the metaphor of slavery today
                • 10:55 Human trafficking and caring for the vulnerable
                • 16:26 Learning care for the oppressed without experiencing oppression
                • 21:08 A view of the American evangelical church
                • Learn more about Dr. Theocharous.

                  Show notes by Micah Long.

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                  27 min
                • You Mean Jesus Isn't Literally a Vine? (Beth Stovell)

                  What does it mean to say that Jesus is the vine? Does He have roots or produce grapes? What is the connection between giving birth and fighting a war? Why does the Bible refer to God's nose as being long?

                  In this episode, Dr. Beth Stovell talks to Dr. Dru Johnson about the complex world of metaphor in the biblical texts. Rather than "just the facts," metaphors give us a way of thinking that involves the whole being, including one's mind, emotions, body, and imagination. Scripture uses this poetic language not to be fancy or impressionistic, but because it conveys a richer world of meaning than "simple" or "technical" language. They also discuss some of the weirdest metaphors in Scripture, how scientists use metaphorical language construction to classify reality, and how to demystify the language of Scripture.

                  They end with remarks on how we can access the metaphorical imagination of the biblical texts by engaging with the various experiences of the members of our communities.

                  Show notes:

                  • 0:00 The truth of metaphors
                  • 3:38 Why Scripture uses metaphors
                  • 11:13 Factual versus poetic language
                  • 13:26 Weird metaphors in Scripture
                  • 17:08 Scientific taxonomies
                  • 25:20 The construction of language in the ancient world
                  • 30:47 Accessing the meaning of the biblical texts
                  • Learn more about Dr. Beth Stovell and her work.

                    Show notes by Micah Long.

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                    43 min
                  • American Christians' Peculiar View of Inerrancy—and Other Oddities (Mike Bird)

                    There is a view of biblical inerrancy that is actually particular to some American Christians—and peculiar to outsiders. Dr. Michael Bird examines this and other peculiarities of some American Christianity in light of Scripture and other traditions.

                    In this episode, Dru Johnson interviews Dr. Bird about American theology and the different meanings of biblical inerrancy. They discuss the distinction between questioning the authority of the Bible and questioning a particular tradition's interpretation or doctrine. They also talk about the importance of the Hebrew Bible and Dr. Bird's work with N.T. Wright.

                    Show notes:

                    • 0:00 America's concern with biblical inerrancy
                    • 3:15 What does it mean to say that the Bible is true?
                    • 9:56 Interpretative issues versus authoritative issues
                    • 13:07 American eschatology
                    • 17:03 Ignorance of the Hebrew Bible
                    • 25:45 N.T. Wright
                    • 27:45 American politics and Christian obligation
                    • Learn more about Mike Bird and his work.

                      Dr. Bird's book with N.T. Wright: The New Testament in Its World: An Introduction to the History, Literature, and Theology of the First Christians

                      Show notes by Micah Long.

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                      38 min

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