The Conditional Release Program

Listeners this one is a bit hectic. The kids are getting up to all sorts of cooked stuff online and it involves a lot of real life traumatic behaviour which is deeply unpleasant and completely depraved. But it's important to discuss stuff like this as sunlight can have a positive impact on making these people less brazen and more afraid of the consequences of their horrible actions.

Anyway, here's some AI slop shownotes - Listener discretion is advised!

The Conditioned Release Program: Episode 183 - The Kids Are Not Alright

Hosts: Jack the Insider (Peter Hoysted) & Joel Hill

Episode Summary:

In this deeply unsettling episode, Jack and Joel dive into the dark corners of the internet to expose dangerous online child exploitation networks. The primary focus is on the group known as 764, but the discussion also covers related extremist networks like CVLT, NLM (No Lives Matter), and the Order of Nine Angles (O9A). The hosts catalogue the disturbing methods these groups use, the real-world harm they inflict, and the challenges faced in combating them.

Content Warning:

• This episode contains extremely disturbing content, including detailed discussions of child sex exploitation, suicide, self-harm, grooming, coercion, and mass murder events.
• Listener discretion is strongly advised. If you are not prepared for graphic and upsetting material, please skip this episode. (00:01:05 - 00:01:25)
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• If this episode raises concerns, please reach out for support:
• Lifeline Australia: 13 11 14
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Key Topics & Timestamps:

• (00:00:09) Introduction: Jack and Joel introduce the grim topic: the dangers lurking online for children.
• (00:00:49) Introducing 764: Joel introduces the focus on online exploitation networks, particularly the group 764.
• (00:04:32) What is 764?: A closer look at 764 - an online network primarily involving teenage boys coercing and blackmailing vulnerable peers (often girls) into self-harm and producing CSAM (Child Sexual Abuse Material). Discusses incel vibes and the fluid nature of membership between extremist groups.
• (00:10:56) Origins & Related Networks: Exploration of the networks that preceded or inspired 764:
• CVLT (Cult with a V): (00:11:11, 00:34:00)
• NLM (No Lives Matter): (00:11:20, 00:44:09)
• Order of Nine Angles (O9A): (00:11:20, 00:48:04)
• The COM (Community): (00:12:04)
• (00:12:17) Precursors - The Blue Whale Challenge: Discussion of the infamous 2016 "game" linked to numerous child suicides in Russia.
• (00:29:15) Challenges in Policing/Research: The difficulty researchers, media, and academics face in tracking these groups due to the prevalence of illegal CSAM, which carries strict liability offences for possession/viewing.
• (00:33:36) Case Study - Bradley Cadenhead: The founder of 764 (handles: Brad764, Felix764), arrested in Texas for CSAM possession/distribution and manipulation of minors. His links to CVLT and Caleb Merritt.
• (00:34:13) Case Study - Caleb Merritt: Leader of CVLT, arrested for kidnapping, rape, CSAM, and grooming. Currently serving a 30-year sentence. Linked to an international neo-fascist group.
• (00:44:09) NLM (No Lives Matter) Deep Dive: Examination of NLM's extremist publications (The Terror Guide, The Manhunt Guide, NLM Kill Guide), operational security, and partnerships with neo-Nazi groups like Mordwaffen Division (MWD) and the Russian WRME/MKU (Maniac Murder Cult).
• (00:48:04) Order of Nine Angles (O9A) Deep Dive: Discussion of O9A's extreme neo-Nazi, Satanist ideology focused on societal collapse through violence, infiltration (e.g., military, police), and "culling." Mention of the US Marine who plotted an attack on his own unit. (00:51:15)
• (00:52:00) Recent Incidents: Mention of a 16-year-old arrested in the US (April 2025) for killing his parents as part of a plot against Donald Trump, highlighting potential links to these ideologies.
• (00:52:45) Case Study - Finnegan: UK 764 member who pleaded guilty to encouraging suicide, possessing terrorism manuals, and CSAM.
• (01:06:25) The Dilemma of Reporting: Discussion on the balancing act authorities face between warning the public (especially parents) about these groups and the risk of inadvertently promoting them or inspiring copycats among vulnerable teens.
• (01:24:49) Final Thoughts on 764: Recap of the unpleasant but necessary discussion, emphasizing the low public awareness and the constantly evolving, organic nature of these groups.
• (01:25:42) The Week in Pete Evans: A shift to a lighter segment to decompress after the heavy main topic.

Calls to Action:

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Hosted by: Hong Kong Jack & Jack the Insider

Welcome to Episode 109 of The Two Jacks! This week, Jack and Jackdive into the thick of the Australian federal election, dissect President Trump's latest tariff moves, debate the policing of online speech, and touch on French politics, climate action, and sports.

Key Topics Discussed:

1. Australian Federal Election (00:00:20)

• Campaign Update: Entering the second week.
• Polling: Labor showing potential for a majority (News Poll 52-48), similar to other polls (51-49 to 52-48), despite a low primary vote (~32.5%). Recalls Labor's 2022 win with a similar primary vote.
• Leaders' Debate: Discussion of the Sky News debate between Peter Dutton and Anthony Albanese. Joel views it as a draw, though Albanese was declared the winner by audience vote (approx. 44-35).
• Campaign Weaknesses (00:17:45): Both Jacks agree the campaign lacks substance, particularly on crucial issues like productivity and housing affordability. They note the difficulty for citizens needing to live far from CBDs (e.g., South Morang vs. Fitzroy historically) and criticize the parties for avoiding hard decisions.

1. US Tariffs & Global Economy (00:28:00 & 00:48:04)

• Trump's Tariff Policy: Discussion on the imposition and subsequent 90-day delay of new tariffs on countries like Vietnam (47%), the Philippines (17%), and others. Standard 10% tariff remains elsewhere.
• Negotiations: Reports of Vietnam, Thailand, and Japan engaging or preparing to negotiate, though Trump's claims about eagerness are questioned. Japan plans a "comprehensive response."
• Market Impact (00:30:08): Initial $9 trillion market loss, followed by a significant S&P 500 recovery (largest since 2008, but still below January levels). Oil prices jumped, and US bond yields fell, raising debt crisis concerns. Jack emphasizes the importance of bond yields (cost of borrowing for the US government).
• Motivations & Consequences (00:40:07): Is it an assertion of US economic muscle? Jack notes bipartisan support for the idea (feeling the US gets the short end), but the hosts critique the erratic rollout. Potential consequences include US inflation, slowed GDP growth, and job losses.
• Listener Feedback (Lawrence) (00:48:04): Criticizes the "schizophrenic" messaging (tariffs fixing jobs and deficits simultaneously) and the floated (but unconfirmed by Trump admin) idea of abolishing income tax.
• Outlook: Potential shift towards multilateral trade negotiations among other countries.

1. Listener Feedback: ABC Radio (00:45:51)

• Listener Lawrence reflects on the Jacks' previous comments about changes at ABC Radio, noting a perceived shift in their stance from wanting "new blood" to "bemoaning changes."
• Joel's Clarification: Concern is about management bringing in people with FM radio backgrounds lacking national broadcaster experience, not against new faces generally.
• Jack's Clarification: Agrees on needing turnover ("new voices") but questions the strategy of chasing a youth demographic on ABC Radio, suggesting consolidation of the existing audience is better.

1. Social Media Censorship & Online Dangers (UK Focus) (00:51:20)

• UK Arrests: Report from The Times: British police making ~33 arrests daily in 2023/24 for "offensive" online posts causing "annoyance, inconvenience or anxiety" (12,183 arrests total), a 58% rise since 2019.
• Policing Concerns: Many arrests lead to questioning and release without charge, raising questions about efficient use of police resources. Jack mentions the decriminalization of burglary adding context.
• Historical Context (00:54:31): Jack traces the issue back to the late 1990s and the concept of "non-crime hate incidents" arising from the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, arguing it introduced subjectivity and inconsistency compared to investigating objective crimes. He critiques arresting people before establishing if a crime occurred.
• Nuance & Online Harms (00:56:40): Joel notes arrests might relate to other offenses alongside "malicious communications." While agreeing trivial cases waste resources, he highlights the dark side of social media, including severe online bullying (mentions group "764-JAC") and stalking, arguing police surveillance is needed for serious threats.
• Under-16 Social Media Ban (01:02:37): Joel reflects on the Albanese government's ban, admitting he initially opposed it but is reconsidering due to the severity of online harms affecting children.

1. French Politics Update (01:03:47)

• Far-right leader Marine Le Pen vows presidential run, controversially comparing herself to Martin Luther King Jr. and Alexei Navalny.
• Jordan Bardella (29 y.o. National Rally Chairman) emerges as a potential alternative, stating he could run if Le Pen is unable. Both Jacks see this as a likely and possibly strategically better outcome for the party.

1. Climate Action & Protests (01:06:00)

• Discussion on Extinction Rebellion protests (e.g., Sydney Harbour Bridge closure) and their effectiveness versus public disruption.
• Critique of proposed policies like banning private jets or frequent flyer taxes as unworkable and unhelpful grandstanding.
• Jack jokes he's the "Greta Thunberg of Hong Kong" due to his low carbon footprint (no car, little travel).

1. Sporting Roundup

• Cricket (01:10:00): Sheffield Shield Final recap (Victoria vs WA), WA wins due to finishing top after a draw. Historical anecdote about Bill Ponsford's marathon innings in the 1948 final. Marcus Harris's recent form (161 in Shield, 138 for Lancashire).
• AFL (01:19:30): Discussion on Tasmania's potential AFL team, stadium funding debates, and the Gather Round concept's success in South Australia and potential future locations.

1. Final Listener Note & Sign Off (01:29:46)

• Listener CD provides follow-up on a previous discussion about Basil Zempilis, noting his uncle (Con Zempilis) was the Chief Stipendiary Magistrate for Western Australia.
• The Jacks wrap up Episode 109.

And we're off and running to a federal election on May 3. The Two Jacks review the polling and the campaign thus far with Albo and Labor firming in polls and the betting markets. JTI looks at a mistake-addled period from the Coalition and wonders if they have run out of road. We also got to find out what corflutes are! 

Meanwhile in the US, there is only Trump but how did this man get re-elected? Much of the blame falls on the Democrats as it is disclosed that senior Dems knew about the seriousness of Biden's cognisant decline and that Kamala was thrown up as the next woman in, while Obama and Pelosi in particular held serious doubts Harris could win.

We also debunk Trump's nonsense about a 3rd term as JTI argues that Trump causes distractions when he is in trouble.

In sport, Gout Gout comes second in a rare exciting time for Australian fans of track and field. 

We look at the depths of incompetence with the Signal saga - and look at the reality of whether all this is 'secure' or not.

RFK Jr. tells people to take vitamin A for measles. They do. It gives them liver damage.

Marky Mark and the Zucky Bunch decide to steal content from a website that steals content. How meta.

We have a new segment! Always The Ones You Most Expect. And yeah, it's what you think it is. Depressingly long.

And by god Pete's been to the USA and had a cracking time. Did he meet Don and Elon? Maybe. How much did it cost him? Other than his dignity.

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The Two Jacks discuss the Secret Signal scandal. The federal election is on. Who wins and why? Canada is off to the polls, too. Has Trump given the Canadian Liberals a second chance?

In sport, we eulogise George Foreman, and examine the AFL season to date.

The Two Jacks discuss the conduct of Donald Trump's presidency and ask what SMH Foreign Editor, Peter Hartcher declared to be true in a column earlier in the week, that Trump was a Russian asset. JTI concluded that he didn't know if Trump was a Russian asset but if he wasn't, he was doing a good impersonation of one. The things to watch in any peace agreement between Ukraine and Russia (with the possibility of European troops in Ukraine as peacekeepers or observers) are the provision of US logistical support and intelligence sharing to the European coalition and Ukraine. If the US did not, then it was providing Russia with a decided advantage.

In Australian politics, JTI describes another bad week for the Coalition with plenty of misspeaking. In sport, India gets a homeground advantage in the Champions Trophy final and the Two Jacks give their tips for the final 8 in the NRL. 

The Two Jacks open with a discussion on Australian politics. Polling shows the Albanese government languishing and looking like losing between 15 and 20 seats. Meanwhile polling in the Teal held seat of Wentworth shows the Opposition under Peter Dutton will struggle to retain inner city seats lost in 2022. The prospect of minority government looms one way or another.

In the US, Good Trump emerges in an Oval Office meeting with UK PM Sir Keir Starmer but Bad Trump is never far away.

In sport, the Champions Trophy moves to its conclusion with England going home with their tails between their legs again. The Two Jacks offer their final 8 predictions for the 2025 AFL season.

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In summary - Jack has a spray on RFK Jr. about the measles outbreak which has absolutely got his fingerprints all over it. We have a cooker update with Oneegs jumping into bed with Jamie McIntyre who should not be directing companies for another year or so. SovCits has Jack look into Grant Hilton or Hudson - depending on who you ask and when you ask it. And Pete is back (not he isn't).

Episode 181: The Conditional Release Program

Hosts: Jack the Insider (Peter) and Joel Hill

Introduction:

• [00:00:37] Welcome to the Conditional Release Program, a podcast exploring the world of cults, scams, and con artists.
• [00:00:43] Hosts introduce themselves: Jack the Insider (Peter) and Joel Hill.
• [00:00:50] Setting the tone with humor and critical commentary. Joel asks the hard-hitting question: "Will Bobby Kennedy Jr. kill more people than Elon Musk?"

Main Topics:

1. Bobby Kennedy Jr. and Anti-Vax Advocacy:

• [00:01:18] Discussion on Bobby Kennedy Jr.'s anti-vaccine stance and its impact on public health.
• [00:01:25] Comparison between Bobby Kennedy Jr. and Elon Musk in terms of potential harm caused. Spoiler: It's not a competition you want to win.
• [00:04:00] Analysis of the resurgence of measles in the US and the role of anti-vaccine rhetoric. Measles is back, and it's not bringing sexy back with it.

1. Cryptocurrency and Financial Scams:

• [00:02:32] Examination of the volatility in the cryptocurrency market. Crypto is like a rollercoaster, but without the safety harness.
• [00:03:01] Critique of various financial scams and the individuals behind them. Jamie McIntyre gets a special mention for his creative approach to financial advice.
• [00:03:07] Mention of Jamie McIntyre and his involvement in dubious financial schemes. Trust him with your money? Maybe not.

1. Political Commentary:

• [00:22:27] Insight into the current political landscape in the US and Australia. Spoiler: It's a mess.
• [00:22:44] Predictions and analysis of upcoming elections and political strategies. Betting on politics is like betting on a three-legged horse.
• [00:23:01] Commentary on the influence of right-wing parties and their tactics. The cookers are mobilizing, but will they make a difference?

1. Sovereign Citizens and Legal Troubles:

• [00:55:06] Case study of Grant Warren Hudson (aka Grant Hilton) and his interactions with law enforcement. Spoiler: It doesn't go well.
• [00:55:18] Exploration of the sovereign citizen movement and its legal implications. Hint: Telling cops your car is in "dry dock" doesn't work.
• [00:56:08] Discussion on the tactics used by sovereign citizens to evade legal responsibilities. Pro tip: Don't try this at home.

1. Health and Medical Misinformation:

• [00:19:00] Critique of anti-vaccine advocates and their impact on public health. Spoiler: It's not good.
• [00:19:16] Discussion on the importance of vaccination and the dangers of misinformation. Vaccines save lives, folks.
• [00:19:55] Mention of Dr. Billy Bay and his legal battles related to medical practice. Dr. DoorDash is back, but not for long.

1. Cooker Update:

• [00:28:00] Updates on various individuals and movements within the cooker community. Spoiler: It's still a circus.
• [00:28:27] Analysis of recent events and their implications for public safety and health. The cookers are getting more militant, but still not more coherent.
• [01:20:56] Mention of notable figures like Pete Evans and their ongoing activities. Pete's back on Instagram, and the world collectively yawns.

Conclusion:

• [01:27:12] Summary of the main points discussed in the episode. Spoiler: It's a wild ride.
• [01:27:22] Hosts encourage listeners to stay informed and critical of misinformation. Don't believe everything you hear, except on this podcast.
• [01:27:44] Call to action for listeners to support the podcast through Patreon and social media. Help keep the lights on and the cookers at bay.

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The Two Jacks discuss the federal election with polling showing the Coalition may form minority government.

The big news is in Ukraine where the Trump administration has signalled a peace which is little more than a surrender for Ukraine.

In sport, the Champions League gets underway in Pakistan and Dubai. 

The Two Jacks examine the conduct of the Opposition in the parliament when Attorney General Mark Dreyfus tried to tell the parliament his Shoah story - about his familial links with the Holocaust -- only to have the Opposition seek to gag him. The story was not well reported in the media but the Australian Jewish News ran hard with the story.

In the US, Trump continues with his black texta reforms while HK Jack defends the role of USAID. Germany has its national elections just two weeks away as an Afghan asylum seeker drives a vehicle into a crowd in Munich, injuring 30 people.

In sport, we look at the Sam Kerr case where she was acquitted. Can she captain the Matildas again? Sure, why not.