My guest is Alan McDougall, whose latest book, Dreams and Songs to Sing, is a people's history of Liverpool FC. We discuss the club's role in the city and abroad, Liverpool's identity, and how the club's success has often been at odds with the city's fortunes.

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Check out Chris Lee's three books:

· Origin Stories: The Pioneers Who Took Football to the World

· The Defiant: A History of Football Against Fascism

· Shades of Green: A Journey into Irish Football