Guests:

• Brian Potter, Senior Infrastructure Fellow at the Institute for Progress and author of "Why Can't the U.S. Build Ships?" from September 2024;
• And Nicole Foy, ProPublica's Ancil Payne Fellow, writing on immigration and labor; her report "An Immigrant Died Building a Ship for the U.S. Government. His Family Got Nothing" was published in October 2024.

And don't miss our complementary podcast episode, "How U.S. Navy shipbuilding sank so low."