Depression is on the rise, and the mental health crisis affects everyone. When addressing our lives as body, mind, and soul—always at war with the forces of evil—the concept of spiritual desolation inevitably arises. Spiritual desolation is something the Church has addressed and discussed for centuries. While depression and spiritual desolation are very different, they are often confused, with desolation mistakenly attributed to depression. Today, John Heinen, Devin Schadt, and Sam Guzman (a mental health counselor) discuss the differences between the two and how to overcome each.

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