PolicyCast

The end of Us versus Them policing: The tough road ahead for reform


Listen Later

Recent polls show a majority of Americans say we need major changes to how police enforce the law and provide public safety. Policymakers and political leaders—under pressure from the Defund and Black Lives Matter movements after high police killings of Black people like Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, and numerous others—are now considering a variety of measures to curb police brutality. But Harvard Kennedy School faculty members Sandra Susan Smith, the Daniel and Florence Guggenheim Professor of Criminal Justice, and Assistant Professor of Public Policy Yanilda González say history has shown that reforming the police is much easier said than done.

In her studies of policing in Latin America, González says authoritarian police forces have been able to block or roll back reforms even in otherwise democratic countries. In countries with high levels of polarization and inequality, including the U.S., she says, police are often given the role of protecting “us”—the dominant group—from “them.” 

Smith, the new director of the Kennedy School’s Program in Criminal Justice Policy and Management, says studies show that many widely-proposed reforms simply have not been effective in reducing police brutality. Measures like anti-bias training, body cameras, and diversity hiring fail, she says, because they put the pressure on individual officers to change deeply-entrenched systemic behavior. 

So if those things won’t work, what will?

...more
View all episodesView all episodes
Download on the App Store

PolicyCastBy Harvard Kennedy School

  • 4.5
  • 4.5
  • 4.5
  • 4.5
  • 4.5

4.5

80 ratings


More shows like PolicyCast

View all
NPR News Now by NPR

NPR News Now

14,142 Listeners

Marketplace by Marketplace

Marketplace

8,621 Listeners

The Political Scene | The New Yorker by WNYC Studios and The New Yorker

The Political Scene | The New Yorker

3,903 Listeners

Planet Money by NPR

Planet Money

30,963 Listeners

Freakonomics Radio by Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Freakonomics Radio

32,043 Listeners

The HBR Channel by Harvard Business Review

The HBR Channel

182 Listeners

HBR IdeaCast by Harvard Business Review

HBR IdeaCast

189 Listeners

PBS News Hour - Full Show by PBS NewsHour

PBS News Hour - Full Show

2,344 Listeners

The Lawfare Podcast by The Lawfare Institute

The Lawfare Podcast

6,286 Listeners

Shorenstein Center Media and Politics Podcast by Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy at Harvard Kennedy

Shorenstein Center Media and Politics Podcast

20 Listeners

Foreign Policy Live by Foreign Policy

Foreign Policy Live

587 Listeners

The NPR Politics Podcast by NPR

The NPR Politics Podcast

25,726 Listeners

The Harvard EdCast by Harvard Graduate School of Education

The Harvard EdCast

87 Listeners

Harvard Center for International Development by Harvard Center for International Development

Harvard Center for International Development

20 Listeners

The President’s Inbox by Council on Foreign Relations

The President’s Inbox

700 Listeners

The Daily by The New York Times

The Daily

110,932 Listeners

Harvard Art Museums by Harvard Art Museums

Harvard Art Museums

7 Listeners

Outsmarting Implicit Bias by Outsmarting Implicit Bias

Outsmarting Implicit Bias

14 Listeners

The Indicator from Planet Money by NPR

The Indicator from Planet Money

9,520 Listeners

Capitalisn't by University of Chicago Podcast Network

Capitalisn't

527 Listeners

Veritalk by Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences

Veritalk

20 Listeners

Convergence by Harvard Negotiation & Mediation Clinical Program

Convergence

20 Listeners

The Ezra Klein Show by New York Times Opinion

The Ezra Klein Show

15,333 Listeners

Impromptu by The Washington Post

Impromptu

169 Listeners