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  • Tom Nichols on Trump's Iran War and Disastrous Foreign Policy

    In this episode of The Hot Dish, Heidi and Joel talk to Tom Nichols, staff writer at The Atlantic and professor emeritus of national-security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College, about the complexities of the U.S. military actions in Iran, the geopolitical fallout, and the state of American politics amid ongoing conflicts. 

    Nichols brings a sharp, clear-eyed perspective on military strategy, foreign alliances, and domestic political implications. This conversation offers valuable insights into how these military decisions were made, their global consequences, and the internal political ripples they stir.

    Key moments in this episode:

    • Tom Nichols explains the current state of military operations in Iran and evaluates their strategic effectiveness.
    • He discusses the contradictions in Donald Trump’s foreign policy, including our strained alliances and his unpredictable decision-making.
    • Tom and Joel discuss the internal U.S. political landscape, especially the disillusionment settling in among MAGA supporters.
    • Tom explains how decades of U.S. foreign policy regarding the influence of foreign powers, such as China and Russia, in Iran and the Middle East have changed overnight.

    Resources & Links:

    • Tom Nichols at The Atlantic
    • Books by Tom Nichols 
    • Tom Nichols on Bluesky


    The Hot Dish is brought to you by the One Country Project. To learn more, visit OneCountryProject.org, or find us on Substack (Onecountryproject.substack.com), and on YouTube, Bluesky, and Facebook (@onecountryproject).


    • (00:00) - Introduction to the Discussion on Iran
  • (01:12) - Operational Success vs. Strategic Goals
  • (06:12) - The Political Fallout and Internal Conflicts
  • (11:14) - The Role of Allies and International Relations
  • (16:10) - Implications for Ukraine and Global Strategy
  • (21:00) - The Future of Iran and Potential Ground Troops
  • (25:33) - The Power Dynamics of Military Strategy
  • (26:14) - Regime Change and Its Implications
  • (28:35) - The Silence of MAGA Supporters
  • (33:00) - The Exhaustion of the MAGA Movement
  • (36:56) - Concerns Over Election Integrity
  • (39:53) - Trump's Approach to Governance and Elections
  • (44:08) - Closing
  • 45 min
  • Beth Macy: Journalist, Author, Fighter for the Working Class

    In this episode, Beth Macy joins Heidi and Joel to discuss her compelling journey from journalist to political candidate. She explores how her books illuminate the struggles of rural communities facing economic and social upheaval, and how storytelling can serve as a catalyst for political change. Beth shares her insights on reconnecting with voters across political divides, the importance of local narratives, and her vision for representing rural America in Congress.

    Key topics covered:

    • Beth Macy’s background as a journalist and author of Factory Man, Dopesick, and Paper Girl
    • The impact of globalization, NAFTA, and foreign trade policies on rural jobs and communities
    • How the opioid crisis and big tech regulation highlight broader societal failures
    • The personal stories that catalyzed her decision to run for Congress
    • Strategies for bridging political divides through shared values and empathy
    • The challenges and opportunities of campaigning in Virginia’s Sixth District
    • The influence of media, misinformation, and the decline of local journalism
    • The role of the farm bill, small farms, and rural economic policies
    • Beth’s approach to reconnecting with her family across political lines
    • Her vision for policy solutions that serve everyday Americans

    Resources & Links:

    • Factory Man by Beth Macy
    • Dopesick by Beth Macy
    • Paper Girl by Beth Macy
    • Beth Macy’s official website - bethmacyforcongress.com

    The Hot Dish is brought to you by the One Country Project. To learn more, visit OneCountryProject.org, or find us on Substack (Onecountryproject.substack.com), and on YouTube, Bluesky, and Facebook (@onecountryproject).

    • (00:00) - Introduction to Beth Macy and Her Journey
  • (01:09) - Beth Macy's Background and Early Career
  • (02:06) - The Impact of NAFTA and Globalization
  • (03:54) - The Opioid Crisis and Its Effects on Rural America
  • (05:04) - Transitioning from Journalist to Politician
  • (06:26) - Personal Reflections and Family Dynamics
  • (10:26) - Facing Criticism and Challenges in Politics
  • (13:24) - Understanding Political Identity and Values
  • (16:50) - The Role of Media in Political Discourse
  • (19:44) - Rebuilding Family Relationships Across Political Lines
  • (27:08) - The Sixth District: Challenges and Opportunities
  • (30:59) - Campaign Strategies and Community Engagement
  • (33:29) - Introduction to the Book Club and Audience Engagement
  • (35:25) - Heidi & Joel: The Challenges Facing Small Family Farms
  • (38:35) - The Future of Hemp and Alternative Crops
  • (41:49) - The Current State of U.S. Foreign Policy
  • (44:29) - The Role of Israel in U.S. Politics
  • (47:29) - Conclusion and Future Discussions
  • 51 min
  • Could Latinos Decide the Midterms?

    This episode dives into the power of storytelling, community engagement, and strategic outreach across rural and Latino communities. Joel discusses the One Country Project Book Club with Megan DesCamps before diving into the evolving political landscape affecting Latino voters with Rafael Collazo.

    Megan introduces the One Country Project's Blue Plate Special Book Club, a new platform that fosters conversations through curated books highlighting the rural experience, aiming to build community and shared understanding.  She stresses the importance of storytelling in connecting communities.  Learn more at https://onecountryproject.substack.com.

    Rafael Collazo, executive director of UnidosUS ActionFund, discusses Latino voter behavior, noting the recent shifts in issues influencing their votes. He notes that the Latino community is increasingly motivated by issues like economic stability, respect, and faith, which parties can leverage to engage these voters more authentically.

    He also discusses the impact of cultural symbols like Bad Bunny and the representation of Latinos in media, sports, and politics, demonstrating the growing influence and visibility of Latino culture on the national stage.

    Finally, he presents strategies for Democrats (and other parties) to demonstrate genuine leadership, address community concerns, and elevate Latino voices in political discourse.


    Main topics covered:

    • The launch and vision of the One Country Project Book Club to foster rural community engagement
    • How books serve as a bridge to understanding rural America and amplify underrepresented voices
    • The evolving political influence of Latino voters and their importance as a swing electorate
    • The impact of immigration policies, social issues, and faith on Latino political attitudes
    • Strategies for Democrats to authentically connect with Latino voters and elevate Latino leadership

    Key insights:

    • The Blue Plate Special Book Club is designed to connect readers around rural issues through curated literature, encouraging community discussion and shared perspectives.
    • Books like Paper Girl by Beth Macy deepen understanding of rural struggles, highlighting how storytelling fosters empathy and policy engagement.
    • Latino voters are increasingly dissatisfied with current policies, viewing the election process through a lens of economic and social security, rather than party loyalty alone.
    • Disinformation, immigration enforcement actions, and questions about faith and family significantly influence Latino political perspectives.
    • Despite political differences, the Latino community’s strength lies in family, faith, and shared cultural values—elements Democrats must authentically acknowledge and incorporate into their strategies.
    • The growing prominence of Latino leaders and culturally resonant messaging offers opportunities to reshape political engagement and representation.

    Resources & Links:

    • Unidos US Action Fund — Central organization working on Latino civic engagement
    • The Collazo Show podcast — Rafael Collazo’s podcast on Latinx issues and politics
    • Paper Girl by Beth Macy — Memoir exploring rural America and community identity

    Final notes:
    This episode underscores the importance of storytelling, faith, and community in shaping political identities. Democrats and advocates need to listen actively to Latino voices, respecting family and faith while addressing economic and social concerns authentically. As both rural communities and Latino voters seek recognition and respect, bridging these worlds offers a path to greater unity and understanding. 

    The Hot Dish is brought to you by the One Country Project. To learn more, visit OneCountryProject.org, or find us on Substack (Onecountryproject.substack.com), and on YouTube, Bluesky, and Facebook (@onecountryproject).


    • (00:00) - - Introduction to the episode and guests
  • (00:33) - - Megan DesCamps discusses launching the One Country Project Book Club
  • (01:16) - - The importance of rural literature and community connection
  • (02:30) - - Challenges and opportunities in rural engagement through reading
  • (03:37) - - Goals and success measures for the Book Club
  • (06:22) - - First book pick: Paper Girl by Beth Macy
  • (08:25) - - Rafael Collazo discusses Latino electoral dynamics
  • (09:17) - - Latino swing voters and changing political attitudes
  • (10:52) - - Discontent with administration and economic frustrations among Latinos
  • (11:49) - - The emotional impact of immigration enforcement on Latino communities
  • (18:00) - - Family and intergenerational influences in Latino political decisions
  • (21:03) - - Faith's role in Latino community and political messaging
  • (25:21) - - The importance of cultural representation and community recognition
  • (31:09) - - Strategies for Democrats to authentically connect with Latino voters
  • (33:13) - - Resources and how to follow Rafael Collazo’s work
  • 36 min
  • What the Tariff Ruling Means for Farmers

    In this episode, Heidi Heitkamp hosts a lively discussion with Rachel Prevost, Executive Director of the Montana Farmers Union, and Matt Perdue, President of the North Dakota Farmers Union. They explore critical topics impacting American agriculture today, including trade policies, farm bill dynamics, land consolidation, and the resilience of rural communities. Their insights highlight both challenges and opportunities for the next generation of farmers and ranchers.


    Key topics covered:

    • The Supreme Court's decision to roll back tariffs and its impact on farmers
    • Uncertainty surrounding trade relationships, especially with China and Mexico
    • The importance of reforms in the farm bill to support family farms and local food systems
    • The growing consolidation of farmland and its implications for future farm succession
    • The need to reconnect consumers with the origin of their food through mandatory country-of-origin labeling (M-COOL)
    • Rural healthcare, infrastructure, and quality of life as vital components of sustainable agriculture
    • The significance of value-added production and new markets for U.S. agricultural products
    • Challenges faced by young and beginning farmers, including economic opportunities and community support
    • The importance of domestic demand growth and renewable fuels in shaping a resilient farm economy
    • The role of advocacy and policy in securing a future where rural communities thrive

    Resources & Links:

    • Montana Farmers Union
    • North Dakota Farmers Union
    • Heidi’s take on the U.S. Supreme Court Ruling on Tariffs
    • A Farm Bill Worth Fighting For

    Connect with our guests:

    • Rachel Prevost
    • Matt Perdue 

    The Hot Dish is brought to you by the One Country Project. To learn more, visit OneCountryProject.org, or find us on Substack (Onecountryproject.substack.com), and on YouTube, Bluesky, and Facebook (@onecountryproject).

    • (00:00) - Introduction to Agricultural Challenges
  • (03:07) - Supreme Court Ruling on Tariffs
  • (06:07) - Impact of Tariffs on Farmers
  • (09:04) - Farm Bill Discussions and Concerns
  • (12:03) - Consolidation in Agriculture
  • (14:57) - Healthcare Access for Farmers
  • (17:34) - Trade Agreements and Country of Origin Labeling
  • (20:31) - Future of Young Farmers
  • (23:40) - Closing Thoughts and Future Outlook
  • 39 min
  • Rural Resistance

    Hold onto your hats — this episode is a wake-up call, a rallying cry for the soul of rural America. Senator Peter Welch of Vermont spills the truth bombs on agriculture, healthcare, trade, and the values that bind us all — forces that are threatened but must be fought for with passion, integrity, and boldness. If you're tired of the noise, ready for real solutions, and crave authentic voices, this episode is for you.

    In this episode:

    • The real fights behind the farm bill and why it’s more than just policy — it’s about survival and dignity.
    • How tariffs, trade wars, and market loss hurt farmers and rural communities — beyond political talking points.
    • The erosion of core rural values like community, self-reliance, and tolerance — and why they matter to everyone.
    • The crisis in rural healthcare and what it reveals about government failures.
    • The dangerous politicization of justice, border enforcement, and immigration — and the urgent need for oversight and accountability.
    • Practical solutions to fix broken systems — healthcare, labor, trade — rooted in respect and bipartisan action.
    • A call to approach rural folks not as victims or subjects but as neighbors, allies, and innovators.

    Resources & Links:

    • Farm Bill Insights
    • The impact of tariffs on farmers
    • Healthcare in Rural America

    Connect with Senator  Welch:

    • Senator Welch's official website
    • Senator Welch on Bluesky


    • (00:00) - Introduction to The Hot Dish
  • (01:40) - The Farm Bill Debate
  • (06:44) - Challenges Facing Rural America
  • (12:30) - Healthcare in Rural Communities
  • (19:19) - The Impact of Immigration Policies
  • (24:15) - The Role of the Judiciary
  • (32:06) - Conclusion and Reflections on Rural Values
  • (39:45) - Mailbag + outro
  • 48 min
  • What can you do? Run For Something!

    This episode is a rallying cry for anyone who’s ever felt the call to make a real difference. Whether you’re new to politics or part of the old guard, Amanda Litman’s story and insights will inspire you to step up, speak out, and run — for your community, your future, your life!


    In this episode:

    • Amanda Litman breaks down how "Run for Something" energizes diverse, non-traditional leaders to run for local office
    • The key to motivating candidates: focus on their passion, not their willingness to beg
    • How flipping districts in 2025 showed that authentic candidates can beat money and outmoded politics
    • Overcoming fears: safety, sacrifice, and doubts — and turning them into fuel for change
    • The vital role of women, rural leaders, and young people in shaping future politics
    • Practical tips for everyday citizens to exercise power—door knocking, volunteering, and engaging directly with representatives
    • Why courage, persistence, and authenticity beat slick campaigns every single time

    Resources & Links:

    • Run for Something
    • Run for What
    • Amanda Litman (Google Search)
    • Local Progress
    • Future Caucus
    • State Innovation Exchange

    Connect with Amanda Litman:

    • Twitter
    • LinkedIn

    This episode is a call — a declaration — that YOU are part of this movement. Your voice, your vote, your courage can change history. Don’t wait — run, speak, act. The future isn’t written yet. Let’s write it together.

    The Hot Dish is brought to you by the One Country Project. To learn more, visit OneCountryProject.org, or find us on Substack (Onecountryproject.substack.com), and on YouTube, Bluesky, and Facebook (@onecountryproject).

    • (00:00) - Introduction to Run for Something
  • (01:22) - Empowering Young Leaders in Politics
  • (03:23) - The Candidate Recruitment Process
  • (04:45) - Understanding Candidate Success Rates
  • (06:21) - Overcoming Doubts About Winning
  • (08:36) - Addressing Fears of Running for Office
  • (10:29) - Navigating Financial Sacrifices in Campaigning
  • (12:58) - Reframing Fundraising as Public Service
  • (15:30) - Encouraging Women to Run for Office
  • (17:19) - Building a Pipeline for Future Candidates
  • (19:35) - The Importance of Community Engagement
  • (22:11) - Call to Action
  • (23:18) - Minnesota's Political Landscape with Grant Hauschild
  • (29:27) - Addressing Authoritarianism and Civic Responsibility
  • (32:12) - Empowering Citizens to Take Action
  • (34:31) - The Role of Candidate Recruitment in Democracy
  • 37 min
  • Homeland Insecurity with Janet Napolitano

    In this jam-packed episode, Heidi and Joel speak with Nathan Gonzales, editor of Inside Elections, about Democrats' prospects in the Midterm Elections and the collapse of the Trump Coalition.

    Then, Iowa State Rep. Adam Zabner gives a quick update on turnout for the state's precinct caucuses and the frustration with the Trump Administration among the state's Independent and centrist Republican voters.

    Finally, Heidi and Joel speak with former Arizona Governor and Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano about the failure of good law enforcement that the Department is exhibiting in Minneapolis and across the country.

    The Hot Dish is brought to you by the One Country Project. To learn more, visit OneCountryProject.org, or find us on Substack (Onecountryproject.substack.com), and on YouTube, Bluesky, and Facebook (@onecountryproject).

    • (00:00) - Midterm Election Insights with Nathan Gonzales
  • (02:20) - Current Political Landscape and Trends
  • (07:49) - Republican Challenges and Voter Sentiment
  • (11:57) - Polling Dynamics and Election Predictions
  • (14:23) - Rural Voting Patterns and Shifts
  • (18:03) - Key Issues Affecting Voter Behavior
  • (19:49) - Final Predictions for House and Senate
  • (23:09) - Adam Zabner on the Iowa Caucuses
  • (28:08) - Former DHS Sec. Janet Napolitano on the state of Homeland Security
  • 57 min
  • Winning in Minneapolis, Winning in North Carolina

    In this episode of The Hot Dish, Joel Heitkamp speaks with Jamie Ager, a congressional candidate from North Carolina, about pressing issues facing rural America. 

    The conversation covers the tragic story of Alex Pretti, the impact of Hurricane Helene on local communities, frustrations with government response, healthcare challenges, housing affordability, and the importance of curiosity in leadership. 

    Ager shares his family legacy in farming and his vision for a better future for his community and country.

    The Hot Dish is brought to you by the One Country Project. To learn more, visit OneCountryProject.org, or find us on Substack (Onecountryproject.substack.com), and on YouTube, Bluesky, and Facebook (@onecountryproject).

    • (00:00) - Introduction to Jamie Ager and His Background
  • (07:43) - The Impact of Hurricane Helene on Western North Carolina
  • (15:34) - Challenges in Healthcare and Housing in Rural Areas
  • (22:52) - Curiosity as a Leadership Trait
  • (29:01) - Accountability and Law Enforcement in America
  • 35 min
  • On the Ground in Minneapolis with the ACLU

    Joel's flying solo in this episode. He speaks with Paul Sullivan of the ACLU of Minnesota about the current climate in Minneapolis and St. Paul amid rising tensions and a federal law enforcement presence. 

    Sullivan describes a significant increase in federal agents since late 2020, leading to numerous violations of constitutional rights, including the use of excessive force against peaceful protesters. He emphasizes the courage of local communities in standing up against these abuses, despite the fear and uncertainty that many, especially in immigrant communities, are experiencing.

    The conversation delves into the ACLU's role in advocating for civil liberties during this tumultuous time. Sullivan outlines the organization's efforts to document abuses, educate the public about their rights, and provide support to those affected by federal actions. 

    He also discusses the importance of community mobilization and the need for ongoing vigilance to protect individuals' rights as protests continue. The episode highlights the resilience of Minnesotans and the ACLU's critical work in defending civil liberties amid governmental overreach.

    The Hot Dish is brought to you by the One Country Project. To learn more, visit OneCountryProject.org, or find us on Substack (Onecountryproject.substack.com), and on YouTube, Bluesky, and Facebook (@onecountryproject). 

    • (00:00) - Introduction to the ACLU's Role in Minnesota
  • (00:55) - Current Climate: Federal Law Enforcement in Minneapolis
  • (03:07) - Community Response: Fear and Determination
  • (08:14) - The ACLU's Mission and Community Engagement
  • (16:52) - Monitoring Protests and Protecting Rights
  • (18:38) - Challenges and Mental Health for ACLU Staff
  • (19:30) - How to Support the ACLU and Local Organizations
  • 22 min
  • Who's In Charge? Gen. Mark Hertling Wants to Know

    In this episode of The Hot Dish,  Heidi engages in a compelling conversation with retired General Mark Hertling. The discussion covers a wide range of topics, including the complexities of U.S. military operations, foreign policy, and the implications of regime change. 

    General Hertling shares insights from his experiences in Iraq and his views on the recent U.S. incursion into Venezuela. He specifically addresses his concerns about the seeming lack of any single individual within the U.S. government who is responsible for the aftermath in Venezuela.

    The conversation also touches on the role of the Venezuelan military, the global ramifications of U.S. actions, and the importance of clear leadership in military operations. 

    Additionally, General Hertling discusses his new book, "If I Don't Return: a Father's Wartime Journal," which offers a personal perspective on military service and its impact on families. (You can pre-order a signed copy here: https://www.ballastbooks.com/ballast-bookstore/if-i-dont-return.)

    The Hot Dish is brought to you by the One Country Project. To learn more, visit OneCountryProject.org, or find us on Substack (Onecountryproject.substack.com), and on YouTube, Bluesky, and Facebook (@onecountryproject). 

    • (00:00) - Introduction to the Conversation with General Hurtling
  • (00:00) - Chapter 2
  • (00:00) - Introduction and Overview
  • (00:13) - Introduction to the Conversation with General Hurtlin
  • (01:51) - Military Insights and Foreign Policy
  • (05:59) - Oil Economy and Venezuela
  • (10:40) - Latin America and Global Implications
  • (21:11) - The Insurrection Act and Domestic Concerns
  • (27:22) - Personal Stories and Reflections
  • (41:40) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts
  • (50:03) - OCP-YouTube-EndScreen.mp4
  • 51 min

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