What does it look like to lead a church that's anchored in Jesus when everything around you feels like it's being blown by political winds? 

Dr. Derwin Gray, lead pastor of Transformation Church, joins us for an honest conversation about staying focused on the kingdom of God in a divided culture. Derwin challenges us to stop using a 250-year-old country as our biblical filter and instead anchor our churches in first-century gospel truth. The result? A church family that’s unified and a living example of Hope to those around them.

Derwin shares the real secret behind their multi-ethnic church community and why he refuses to let the spirit of the age put him in a box. He talks about his book "Lit Up With Love" and why evangelism isn't about perfecting a sales pitch—it's about living so authentically in God's love that others are naturally drawn to what they see. If you're navigating leadership in these divisive times, this conversation will remind you that people are hungry for the Jesus of Scripture, not a left or right version.

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Highlights: 

0:00 - Introduction and Background of Dr. Derwin Gray 

3:40 - Navigating Political Divisions and Focusing on the Kingdom

7:33 - The Hunger for Hope and the Role of the Church

10:08 - The Heart Behind 'Lit Up with Love'

13:10 - Stories of Transformation and Baptism

15:59 - Communicating the Kingdom Without Political Bias

20:36 - Encouragement for Discouraged Pastors

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Dr. N.T. Wright joins us to dismantle Western Christianity's Platonized afterlife theology and reclaim the Bible's actual vision: God renewing all creation. In this essential conversation for pastors and church leaders, Wright explains how the early church absorbed Greek philosophy's "souls escaping to heaven" instead of maintaining the biblical hope for resurrected bodies in a renewed heaven and earth. He traces how this wrong turn led to moralizing salvation, paganizing atonement, and sidelining the church's responsibility for justice, beauty, and reconciliation NOW.

Wright unpacks Ephesians' three-movement vision (1:10, 2:10, 3:10): heaven and earth united in Christ, the church as God's workmanship displaying new creation, and believers revealing God's multi-colored wisdom to spiritual powers. He addresses the "angry God" caricature, clarifies substitutionary atonement, and offers practical wisdom for leading congregations into renewal through prayer, beauty, and courageous witness.

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In this episode of the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Innovative Church Leaders podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dr. Eric Bryant⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ interviews ⁠⁠⁠ ⁠Paul Johnson and his son Drew Johnson.

Paul served for years as lead pastor of Woodridge Church near Minneapolis. Now he serves as Generosity Pastor and his son Drew leads Mercy Hill Church nearby and Aspen Grove, their network of churches.

They share about the successful succession and their unique way of networking rather than campusing or church planting.

🔥 Top 5 Takeaways:

1. Building a church network requires generosity in leadership which fosters trust and collaboration.

2. Humility is essential for effective leadership, collaboration, and leadership transitions.

3. Shared values and goals strengthen church networks.

4. Effective leadership involves mentoring and supporting others.

5. A clear plan for leadership transition can benefit the entire community.

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00:00 - Multiplying Churches: A New Approach

01:38 - Interconnectedness in Church Leadership

04:07 - Navigating Independence and Connection

07:55 - Seamless Leadership Transition

09:42 - The Role of Generosity in Leadership

12:39 - Funding and Resource Management for Community Projects

13:16 - The Heart Behind Aspen Grove Network

18:36 - Supporting Young Leaders and Succession Planning

21:36 - Embracing a Grandfather Role in Leadership

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In this episode of the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Innovative Church Leaders podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dr. Eric Bryant⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ interviews ⁠ Dr. Lucy Peppiatt, the President of Westminster Theological Centre in Bristol, England.

Lucy discusses ministry in a post-Christian context, the importance of training the next generation of pastors, and the role of theology in effective ministry. She emphasizes the need for a deeper understanding of God's love and the importance of empowering women in the church. .

🔥 Top 5 Takeaways:

1. Understanding God's love is crucial for discipleship.

2. Empowering women in the church benefits everyone.

3. Shared identity in Christ should supersede political affiliations.

4. Time spent with God is vital for renewal.

5. Studying theology can invigorate one's faith.

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In this episode of the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Innovative Church Leaders podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dr. Eric Bryant⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ interviews Stan Jantz, the Global Ambassador for the Come and See Foundation which funds the global television phenomenon - The Chosen.

Stan discusses the current challenges and opportunities in church leadership, the importance of storytelling in conveying the message of Jesus, the vision behind the series 'The Chosen', and its impact on faith and discipleship.

🔥 Top 5 Takeaways:

1. It's both a challenging and optimistic time for the church.

2. Materialism and atheism are leading to a search for something eternal.

3. Artistry and quality are essential in storytelling.

4. The Chosen aims to be accessible to everyone, everywhere.

5. The current era offers unprecedented opportunities for spreading the gospel.

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02:45 - The Vision Behind The Chosen

05:43 - The Impact of The Chosen on Faith and Discipleship

08:21 - Artistry and Accessibility in Storytelling

11:26 - The Future of The Chosen: Upcoming Seasons and Films

14:07 - Encouragement for Church Leaders and Pastors

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In this episode of the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Innovative Church Leaders podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dr. Eric Bryant⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ interviews Glen Scrivener of Speak Life Media and author of The Air We Breathe: How We All Came to Believe in Freedom, Kindness, Progress, and Equality and How to Speak Life.

Glen shares about the emerging interest in faith among youth and the importance of empowering laypeople for evangelism.

The conversation also touches on navigating the intersection of politics and the kingdom of God, emphasizing the role of the church in societal change.

🔥 Top 5 Takeaways:

1. The secular narrative is losing its appeal among the youth.

2. People are exploring various spiritual options, including Christianity.

3. Conversations about faith should address the real questions of skeptics.

4. Cultural values like compassion stem from Christian teachings.

5. The church's role is to scatter seeds of faith, not to force conversions.

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07:11 - Emerging Interest in Faith Among Youth

12:14 - Navigating Conversations About Jesus

15:57 - The Importance of Speaking Life

21:39 - The Role of the Church in Society

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In this episode of the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Innovative Church Leaders podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dr. Eric Bryant⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ interviews ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠J.D. Pearring, the founder of the Excel Leadership Network.

J.D. shares about the importance of raising up new leaders in the church, the challenges faced by church planters, and the significance of coaching and mentorship in leadership development.

🔥 Top 5 Takeaways:

1. Excel Leadership Network serves church planters and leaders.

2. Older churches are increasingly handing off buildings to younger planters.

3. There's a growing interest among 19 to 29 year olds in church leadership.

4. Unrealistic expectations are a major reason for church plant failures.

5. The church must focus on serving rather than self-preservation.

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03:20 - Support Systems for Church Planters

06:02 - Raising Up New Leaders

08:54 - Expecting the Unexpected in Leadership

11:32 - Leading and Preaching the Other Way

14:07 - Coaching the Other Way

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In this episode of the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Innovative Church Leaders podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dr. Eric Bryant⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ interviews ⁠⁠⁠Jon Chasteen, pastor at Victory Church and founder of Re-Leaders.

Jon shares about rebuilding trust after a pastor's moral failure along with the critical role of re-leaders in church revitalization and raising up leaders.

🔥 Top 5 Takeaways:

1. Building trust takes time and consistent actions.

2. Healing and forgiveness are essential in leadership transitions.

3. Church revitalization is as important as church planting.

4. Empowering staff can lead to greater organizational effectiveness.

5. Re-leaders are running a marathon, not a sprint.

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Key Moments with Timestamps:

03:43 - Building Trust in Leadership

06:23 - The Journey of Re-Leading

09:28 - The Importance of Healing and Humility

12:18 - Empowering Others in Leadership

15:03 - Practical Leadership Insights

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In this episode of the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Innovative Church Leaders podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dr. Eric Bryant⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ interviews ⁠Michael Warden, executive coach and author of the epic fantasy series The Pearlsong Refounding.

Michael delves into understanding one's identity for personal and ministry momentum.

🔥 Top 5 Takeaways:

1. Teachability and willingness to grow are essential for personal momentum.

2. Leaders often operate in the wrong habitat, hindering their potential and leading to burnout.

3. Understanding one's identity is crucial for effective leadership.

4. Church leaders should seek renewal and connection with Christ.

5. Creative expression through writing can be a spiritual practice and point people towards God.

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Key Moments with Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction to Michael Warden's Journey

09:30 - The Importance of Personal Momentum and Identity

10:48 - Exploring Michael's Upcoming Books

11:34 - Encouragement for Church Leaders

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In this episode of the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Innovative Church Leaders podcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Dr. Eric Bryant⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ interviews Jeff Rosene from Kids Around the World.

Jeff discusses generational change in communities through a unique strategy that combines food, play, and discipleship.

🔥 Top 5 Takeaways:

1. Kids Around the World aims to create generational change.

2. Partnership with local churches allows for food distribution and discipleship.

3. Local churches can engage in missions through meal packing, refurbishing playgrounds, and mission trips.

4. Starting small can lead to significant change.

5. Transforming communities requires collaboration and trust.

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Key Moments with Timestamps:

00:00 - Transforming Communities Through Children

03:23 - Partnerships and Local Engagement

06:11 - The Impact of Global Missions

08:45 - Innovative Approaches Using Playgrounds

11:33 - Getting Involved: Opportunities for Local Churches

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