What if the most polarized issue in our country is actually one of the oldest commandments in the Bible?

In this enlightening episode of the Innovative Church Leaders podcast, host Eric Bryant talks with Dr. Sandy Richter - Old Testament scholar, Westmont professor, and author of Stewards of Eden.

Discover how to move beyond partisanship and rediscover the biblical mandate to "tend and defend" the earth. Stewardship isn't a political platform; it’s a Genesis commission.

Dr. Richter helps us understand the Old Testament in order to give the church its Bible back.

Key Insights:

06:30 – Navigating the polarized "Republican vs. Democrat" labels attached to environmentalism.

07:25 – Why Christians should care about the environment

09:05 – The Horizon Church Model: How a Cincinnati congregation turned 20 acres of sod into a native prairie and community walking trail.

11:11 – The First Commandment: Why Genesis 2:15 ("tend and defend") is the foundational mandate for humanity.

13:34 – Deuteronomy: Understanding Moses’ final sermon as a passionate plea to "choose life."

18:58 – Organizing the Theological Closet: How a "biblical theology" approach helps pastors connect the Old and New Testaments.

21:52 – The Deborah Interruption: Applying the cycle of the Book of Judges to the modern church’s life cycle of revival and bureaucracy.

25:11 – Why young adults are desperate for real, data-driven, courageous faith. 

Resources Mentioned:

Stewards of Eden: What Scripture Says About the Environment and Why It Matters by Sandra L. Richter

The Epic of Eden: A Christian Entry into the Old Testament by Sandra L. Richter

The Epic of Eden: Deborah (Bible Study Curriculum)

Sandy Richter’s Website: https://www.sandyrichter.org

Eric Bryant’s Website: https://www.ericbryant.org

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What if your church’s "welcome" is actually scaring people away?

In this eye-opening conversation, Richard Riccardi—author of The Wandering Worshiper—shares his radical social experiment: visiting 33 different houses of worship in a single year. From Hindu temples to black congregations, Richard moved from being an "irregular and uninspired" cradle Catholic to a passionate deacon in a church where he was the first white member.

Discover the "Goldilocks" of hospitality, why "Miss Cha Cha" (the church lady) almost scared him off, and the one thing churches do that immediately alienates newcomers. This isn't just a travelogue; it's a mirror for every pastor and church leader asking: Are we truly a place for everyone?

Key Insights:

• 03:06 – Preconceived Notions: Dealing with the "emotional baggage" guests carry through your front door.

• 04:02 – Where I was most different, I was most welcomed: A surprising lesson from mosques and temples.

• 06:35 – Forum Shopping vs. Spirit-Led Worship: The danger of only hearing what you want to hear.

• 10:29 – The Episcopal Sing-Along: How a "low-pressure" entry point can soften a skeptic’s heart.

• 12:52 – Children of God: Richard’s journey to becoming a volunteer in a predominantly Black congregation.

• 15:41 – The Goldilocks Rule: Is your welcoming committee too hot, too cold, or just right?

• 19:27 – The "Truth and Love" Tightrope: How criticizing other faiths from the pulpit turns off seekers.

  
  

  Resources Mentioned:

• The Wandering Worshiper by Richard G. Riccardi

• The Wandering Worshiper Website: richardgriccardi.com or wanderingworshiper.com

• Harvard Flourishing Survey: On the benefits of community worship.

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Sociologists ⁠Mark Mulder⁠ and ⁠Gerardo Martí⁠ join ⁠Eric Bryant⁠ to reveal lessons from the rise and fall of the ministry of Robert Schuller and the Crystal Cathedral.

As we navigate a post-Christian landscape marked by political polarization and disaffiliation, Mulder and Martí offer a look at what happens when congregational life is mapped onto capitalism. 

Discover why the "racism of 2026" is more sophisticated than ever, why the search for "predictable models" makes leaders susceptible to drift, and how to cultivate a spiritually responsive community rooted in the way of Jesus.

Key Insights:

• 03:57 – The Big Story: Why disaffiliation doesn't always mean a loss of belief.
• 04:47 – The Insidious Reality: Why the racism of 2026 is harder to root out.
• 06:21 – The Partisan Pulpit: Navigating a church that has become a politically mobilized entity.
• 10:30 – The Comfort Trap: Why seeking affirmation over challenge leads to congregational devolution.
• 15:06 – The "Unrelenting Machine": Learning from the collapse of a fortress mentality.
• 17:53 – How Robert Schuller changed church financing forever.
• 24:03 – A Transcendent Church vs. A Church Based on Capitalism.
• 26:15 – Organic over Bureaucratic: Creating a spiritually responsive community in shifting winds.

Resources Mentioned:

• The Church Must Grow or Perish by Mark Mulder & Gerardo Martí.
• The Glass Church: Robert H. Schuller, the Crystal Cathedral, and the Strain of Megachurch Ministry by Mark Mulder & Gerardo Martí.

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What if the question "How do I grow my church?" is keeping you from actual kingdom impact?

In this vision-casting conversation, Dave Ferguson - founder of Exponential and author of Multiplier - reveals why waking up asking "How do we multiply God's kingdom?" changes everything, how churches with a vision to plant 10+ churches grow 10% faster annually (while non-planting churches are plateaued), and why half the seats in his pastor peer group are now empty because of drift.

Dave shares stories of movement-makers like a pastor in Zimbabwe (who helped overthrow a 30-year dictator through discipleship) and Mimi at Amazon (who planted 100 micro churches with a $0 budget).

Discover the four gauges (RPMS) that could save your ministry and marriage, why 16% of multiplying churches creates a tipping point, how Community Christian handed off leadership after 18 months of apprenticeship, and what a "dream hour" is (and why Dave regrets not doing it sooner).

Key Insights:

03:11 - "Progressivism Is Having a Crisis of Faith"

04:54 - Multiplier: Movement-Making Potential Inside Every Believer

05:53 - How Discipleship Overthrew a Dictator

07:01 - A Call Back to What Jesus Actually Did

12:03 - Beyond the Ticket to Heaven Mentality

13:24 - When the Evangelical Community Gets Sucked Into Politics

14:57 - The Four Gauges That Could Save Your Ministry and Marriage

21:03 - What Is a Dream Hour? (And Why Dave Regrets Not Doing It Sooner)

24:11 - Why Church Planting Is the Best Evangelistic Tool We Have

27:37 - Kingdom Stewardship: Give Your Church Away, God Gives You More

28:58 - Dave's Succession at Community Christian Church

34:52 - God Is Kind, God Is Good, God Will Get You Through

Resources Mentioned:

Multiplier: Leading Your Church to Movement by Dave Ferguson

Exponential: https://exponential.org/⁠

Dave's Substack: https://substack.com/@fergusondave - "How to Discover Your God-Given Future"

Community Christian Church succession story

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What do you do when God feels absent in your deepest suffering?

In this raw and hope-filled conversation with host Toriano Mayo (lead pastor of The Well in Austin), Tiffany Stein - author of Mourning God - shares how losing her infant son led her to a secondary loss she never expected: the felt absence of God's presence.

Tiffany reveals what Job's friends got right (silence) and wrong (talking), how to lament which includes complaining and ultimately trusting, and what it means to build enduring hope on the only thing that can't be taken away.

Key Insights and Time Stamps:

01:51 - What God Is Doing in Austin

07:26 - Mourning the God You Thought You Knew

08:51 - Four-Part Lament: Turn, Complain, Ask, Trust

10:29 - It's Holy to Grieve What Is Not Good

17:56 - Pastoring the Suffering Individual

21:08 - Hope = Expecting Good Things Based on God's Person and Promises

22:37 - Sorrow AND Joy (Not Sorrow OR Joy)

25:10 - Living in the Mystery: God Is Good AND My Son Died

Resources Mentioned:

* Mourning God: Grieving Loss, Wrestling with God, and Finding Your Way Back to Life by Tiffany Stein

* Walking with God Through Pain and Suffering by Tim Keller

* https://www.tiffanystein.com/ (bonus content, spiritual practices, lament exercises)

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What if the greatest barrier to making disciples isn't lack of resources—but the assumption you're already doing it?

In this paradigm-shifting conversation, Mark "Moose" Bright - Director of Relational Discipleship Network - shares how life groups become the tip of the spear (not the holy huddle).

Discover the power of kingdom ambition, why vulnerability sets the bar for discipleship, and how churches are reviving through multiplication instead of addition.

Key Insights:

01:30 - "Will You Just Disciple Us?" (And Why Pastors Said No)

04:05 - Why Discipleship Is NOT Just Teaching

08:06 - The Invitation That Determines Everything

10:17 - Set the Bar for Vulnerability

17:02 - 20 People Baptized Per Week (Without Altar Calls)

19:26 - The Holy Spirit Blesses Alignment with Jesus

Resources Mentioned:

Church Is a Team Sport by Jim Putman

Relational Discipleship Network: RDN.org

Disciples Shift Conference (2-day experiential deep dive)

RDN Coaching Cohorts for Pastors

Mark "Moose" Bright:

Relational Discipleship Network: https://rdn.org/

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What if communion isn't just a ritual—but the most powerful way to practice hope in a broken world?

In this moving conversation, Anglican priest Hannah Miller King shares how the Eucharist became her lifeline after losing her father at 14 and her youngest brother to suicide, why the Lord's Table can become "the altar call every Sunday," and how bottom-up healing through embodied rituals can reach us in ways theology alone cannot.

Hannah unpacks insights from her book Feasting on Hope: How God Sets a Table in the Wilderness such as why some prayers remain unanswered (and that's a feature, not a flaw), and how communion frames the gospel for me, for us, and for the world.

Key Insights:

01:51 - Faith Forged in Unanswered Prayers: Losing a Parent at Young Age

03:18 - Falling in Love with the Local Church as Family

05:51 - How Communion Brings Hope

08:35 - Re-Familied as a Daughter of God at the Lord's Table

11:11 - Looking Back AND Looking Forward at Communion

15:19 - The Lord's Supper and Church Hurt (When the Family Is Dysfunctional)

21:36 - Someone Is at the Helm of History Who Is Not Anxious Right Now

Resources Mentioned:

• Feasting on Hope: How God Sets a Table in the Wilderness by Hannah Miller King
• Hannah Miller King's website: hannamillerking.com

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What if 67% of Americans claim to be Christian but only 6% actually have a biblical worldview? 

In this eye-opening conversation, Freddy Davis - missionary, author, and worldview expert - reveals why most Christians don't even realize they're viewing reality through a non-Christian lens, how American culture shifted from theism to naturalism while we weren't looking, and why worldview training is now a missionary skill we all need at home.

Freddy explains why understanding worldview eliminates 99.9% of confusion when sharing the gospel.

Key Insights:

02:03 - What IS a Worldview? (And Why Everyone Defines It Differently)

04:30 - Four Worldview Categories That Contain Every Religion and Philosophy

06:22 - Three Questions That Reveal Any Worldview

09:00 - Reverse Culture Shock: America Changed While I Was Gone

11:46 - 67% Claim Christian, 6% Have Biblical Worldview (Barna)

21:20 - Stop Building Theology from Random Pieces

23:19 - 90% of Youth Leave the Faith After High School

Resources Mentioned:

• The Truth Mirage by Freddy Davis (foundational worldview book)

• Shattering the Truth Mirage (sharing gospel across worldview barriers)

• Assaulting the Truth Mirage (offensive Christian apologetics)

• Understanding the Truth Mirage (encyclopedia of 47 faith systems)

• The Universe Next Door by James Sire

• Worldview Survey Tool

• One Day Seminary for Everyday Believers

• Youth Worldview Training

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What if the Bible's clearest teaching on women in leadership isn't what you've been told? 

In this thoughtful conversation, Dr. Preston Sprinkle — bestselling author and founder of the Center for Faith, Sexuality & Gender — shares findings from his three-year, 1,000-hour journey studying what Scripture actually says about women in church leadership.

Preston unpacks what shocked him about his research on women and leadership and why the rare Greek word in 1 Timothy 2:12 changes everything.

Discover how approaching Scripture with humility and curiosity—even when you disagree—can move us all closer to the truth and the heart of Jesus.

Key Insights:

00:40 - Why Being Around People You Disagree With Matters

02:58 - Raised Complementarian: Why This Study Became Essential

05:44 - The Sole Goal: What Does This Ancient Text Actually Say?

06:46 - What Shocked Preston Most About Women in the Bible

10:29 - Women Model the Radical Courage Jesus Requires

12:01 - What IS Christian Authority? (This Changes Everything)

18:07 - Redefining Headship as Self-Giving Service

20:08 - 1 Timothy 2: The Strongest Complementarian Argument

27:32 - The Center for Faith, Sexuality & Gender 

Resources Mentioned:

• From Genesis to Junia: A Guide to Women in Leadership by Preston Sprinkle

• Christian Sexuality: Raising Kids 

• Exiles Conference

• Theology in the Raw Podcast

Preston Sprinkle: ⁠https://prestonssprinkle.com/⁠

Center for Faith, Sexuality & Gender:⁠ https://www.centerforfaith.com/⁠

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What if the secret to standing out as a leader isn't about being smarter, more connected, or going viral - but about 12 simple habits you can learn? 

In this energizing conversation, William Vanderbloemen—founder of Vanderbloemen Search Group—shares why he's more bullish on the church than he's been in 30 years, what data reveals about top-performing leaders, and the one habit that naturally atrophies if you don't fight it.

Discover why agility matters more than ever and how these 12 data-driven habits can transform your leadership starting today.

Key Insights:

02:48 - Why William Is More Bullish on the Church Than Ever

05:11 - Are We Living in the Last Days?

07:22 - To Be a Good Pastor, Smell Like the Sheep

08:47 - Your Superpower: You're the Only Pastor for Your Church

12:29 - 12 Habits, Not Traits (You Can Learn These)

16:08 - The Habit of Agility: The Only One That Atrophies

20:39 - Why Agility Matters Most for the Next 10 Years

Resources Mentioned:

• Be the Unicorn: 12 Data-Driven Habits That Separate the Best Leaders from the Rest by William Vanderbloemen

• Vanderbloemen Leadership Podcast

• Simple Church by Eric Geiger and Thom Rainer

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