Dr. Shayla Reese Griffin is the co-founder of The Justice Leaders Collaborative, an author, educator, and mother. As the challenges of school for the fall have come into focus, finding solutions based in equity has been a struggle. Dr. Griffin has written about it, calling for space in buildings to be prioritized to those with the highest needs, for us to consider where our time and energy might best be spent in this moment of crisis, and for parents to be paid to stay home to take care of their kids.

She joins us for a conversation about the fall, but also about justice and race in schools more broadly. Her 2015 book, Those Kids, Our Schools: Race and Reform in an American High School is an inside look at a racially and socioeconomically diverse high school in America. It explores the way students recreate existing racial hierarchies when not giving the time, space, and instruction for how to have productive conversations about race.

This work led her to co-author Race Dialogues: A Facilitator’s Guide to Tackling the Elephant in the Classroom which aims to give teachers (and others) the tools to facilitate more helpful and hopeful conversations.

LINKS:

• Dr. Griffin on Medium – including the three posts about COVID
• Dr. Griffin’s Those Kids, Our Schools: Race and Reform in an American High School
• Dr. Griffin’s Race Dialogues: A Facilitator’s Guide to Tackling the Elephant in the Classroom
• Race: The Power of an Illusion – documentary
• Clara Totenberg Green’s Op-Ed in the NYT
• JPB Gerald and Mira Debs’s Op-Ed in the Washington Post
• L’Heureux Lewis-McCoy’s thread on Twitter
• Courtney Martin and Garrett Bucks wrote letters to each other about pods
• Erica Turner created this guide to Equity in Pandemic Schooling
• Our own blog post about pods
• The newly updated resources page from our website
• The recording and resources from our first ever webinar
• And, in proof that everyone is talking about pods . . . this excellent piece from Good Housekeeping

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July 25th will mark the 46th anniversary of the SCOTUS ruling on the Milliken v. Bradley case. Today, we revisit our episode from a year ago about this important and under-appreciated case. Joined by Michelle Adams, Constitutional Law Professor at Cardozo School of Law, who is writing Soul Force: Detroit, The Supreme Court, and the Epic Battle for Racial Justice in America, we discuss the case and its implications for today.

Based in Detroit, the Milliken decision functionally halted the promise of Brown v Board of Education at the city limits, allowing all-White suburbs (created through policies like redlining) to maintain all-White schools. The implications for ideas about what is possible regarding desegregation today, and how we fund schools are profound.

LINKS: 

• Parents Involved v Seattle Schools
• Milliken v Bradley
• Keyes v Denver School District 1
• Swann v Mecklenburg 
• Brown v Board of Ed
• EdBuild report on the $23 Billon funding gap
• Complete audio from the opinion, including the entirety of Justice Marshall’s dissent.

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We’re joined by Karla and Jedidah – two high school students in New York City who are leaders at IntegrateNYC. This youth led organization fights for integration and equity in all NYC schools. From protest to policy, they center student voice because students are the ones most directly impacted by the segregation, and the ones with the most at stake.

Recognizing that desegregation alone isn’t enough to solve for equity, IntegrateNYC developed the 5 Rs of real integration. They are:

• Race and Enrollment
• Resources
• Relationships
• Restorative Justice
• Representation of teachers and staff

They argue that schools need to address all 5 Rs to achieve real integration, and work with the Department of Education (DOE) to enact policies that work towards that goal.

Karla and Jedidah walk us through all 5 Rs, while also sharing their own experiences being impacted by segregation. These youth leaders are passionate and inspiring, and remind us of the power of youth voice.

LINKS: 

• The 5Rs of Real Integration
• Green v. County School Board of New Kent County
• Will Stancil on the Green Case from The Atlantic

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White Supremacy and Black Educational Excellence: Hidden Stories of the Integration Movement

The National Coalition for School Diversity serves as the hub of the school integration movement. While their annual conference was postponed due to COVID, the keynote panel was held virtually. A conversation conceived in honor of Integrated Schools founder and former podcast co-host, Courtney, it offers a chance to better understand the history of desegregation so that we might better conceive of how to move forward. A chance to know better, so that we might do better.

Through a conversation facilitated by journalist Dani McClain,Dr. Vanessa Siddle-Walker tells the story of the excellent, robust, and holistic Black schools and educators that our country consciously eliminated in its desegregation efforts. While Dr. Elizabeth McRae recounts the steady work of White supremacist educational politics, most often led by White women, to ensure that Black educational excellence was eroded and replaced by White supremacist policies and pedagogy. Not only did real integration never happen, but the costs of its failure were enormous and last to today.

Courtney was on the NCSD steering committee, and this panel was conceived in her honor. Author Courtney Martin kicks off the conversation by conjuring the memory of Courtney Mykytyn, and Andrew closes things out with a tribute to Courtney and the importance of this work, in this moment.

It’s an important conversation, and we are deeply grateful to everyone involved for allowing us to share it.

LINKS: 

• Elizabeth McRea – Mother’s of Massive Resistance
• Vanessa Siddle-Walker – Their Highest Potential, The Lost Education of Horace Tate
• Dani McClain – We Live for the We
• Courtney Martin – The New Better Off
• The National Coalition for School Diversity
• Video of the full keynote is available here.
• Eula Biss – White Debt
• The NEA
• The Fort Pillow Massacre
• The United Daughters of the Confederacy
• Green v County Board of New Kent County

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The Reverend, Dr. Jennifer Harvey is a parent, a writer, an educator, and an activist. Her 2018 book Raising White Kids: Bringing Up Children in a Racially Unjust America offers age-appropriate insights for teaching children how to address racism when they encounter it and tackles tough questions about how to help white kids be mindful of racial relations while understanding their own identity and the role they can play for justice.

We discuss the book, but also her personal journey from elementary school, where she was bussed under a court ordered desegregation plan to a predominately Black school, to her time at Union Seminary in New York, studying with the late, great Dr. James Cone. From the power of finding our shared humanity, to liberation we can all find in anti-racism, the importance of moving from thought to action, Dr. Harvey’s insights feel incredibly important in this moment.

LINKS:

• Raising White Kids – Dr. Jennifer Harvey
• A Black Theology of Liberation – Dr. James Cone
• The Cross and the Lynching Tree – Dr. James Cone
• Race Traitor – Noel Ignatiev and John Garvey (a book of essays from the journal of the same name)
• Raising Anti-Racist Kids – ebook by Rebekah Gienapp
• An article about the event hosted in Denver, in 2018
• Video of a workshop led by Dr. Harvey
• Connect with Dr. Harvey on Twitter or Facebook

 

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Last year, leading up the 65th anniversary, we put together a 6 part mini-series called “The Stories We Tell Ourselves – Moving From Desegregation to Integration”. It is in no way a comprehensive history, but hopefully it complicates the stories we tell about Brown v Board. These stories and others about our past desegregation efforts have a huge impact on how we interact with school today, Our hope is that a more honest assessment of the history can be a first step towards real integration.

LINKS:

• Part 1 – With Rucker Johnson, author of Children Of The Dream: Why School Integration Works
• Part 2 – With Noliwe Rooks, author of Cutting School: Privatization, Segregation, and the End of Public Education
• Part 3 – With Amanda Lewis, co-author of Despite The Best Intentions: How Racial Inequality Thrives in Good Schools
• Part 4 – With Civil Rights Attorney, David Hinojosa
• Part 5 – With Greg and Carol
• Part 6 – Grappling with what we’ve learned with Anna.

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Matt Gonzales is an educational justice advocate and Director of the Integration and Innovation Initiative at the NYU Metro Center. We are incredibly fortunate to have him as a member of the Integrated Schools Advisory Board. We had a chance to sit down with Matt this week and talk to him about the implications of COVID-19, what building equity could look like now and in the future, and why anti-racist integration matters now more than ever.

LINKS:

• Grading for Equity Recommendations – inspired by Joe Feldman and his book
• IntegrateNYC with the 5Rs of Real Integration
• Paulo Friere – Author of Pedagogy of the Oppressed
• Django Paris– Author of Culturally Sustaining Pedagogies
• Richard Gray– “Segregation is a generational problem that requires intergenerational solutions”
• This American Life – The Problem We All Live With
• NYC Alliance for School Integration and Desegregation
• Angela Glover Blackwell on the Curb Curt Effect

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Teaching with an equity mindset is a challenge in the best of times, but this crisis has added another layer of challenge to an already daunting task. We’re joined by two high school teachers – Zoe from Philadelphia, and Kara from Minneapolis. They discuss the challenges of moving to online learning while trying to keep equity at the forefront.

We discuss the ways that White and/or privileged parents can be helpful in this moment, and how we might think about what comes when this is all over.

LINKS: 

• For more on Zoe’s school – check out this article.
• To read some of Kara’s reflections on teaching and education, check out EdAllies.

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Given the reality of social distancing, how do we reconcile a desire for educational justice, a drive for anti-racist education, with the fact that we’re stuck at home trying, or maybe not, to educate our kids in vastly inequitable circumstances. This is not a How-To guide, but a conversation about trying to live our values in challenging times. Garrett Bucks joins us, along with Anna, to talk through how we are thinking about this moment, for ourselves, our kids, and our communities. What do we want our kids to remember from this time, and how can we focus our attention, our compassion, and our love outwards, when we are being asked to draw inwards?

LINKS:

• Garrett’s piece –What I hope my (white, economically secure) kids are learning right now
• Garrett’s piece on Courtney’s death – A few thoughts about Courtney Everts Mykytyn
• Garrett’s blog – The White Pages
• If you are able to give in these times, please consider local organizations helping in your communities. Here’s a place to start, if you need it – Grassroots organizations around the country who are helping from Colorlines

 

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If you listened to The Impacts of Testing Our Kids and Measuring Our Schools (Parts 1 and 2), you heard about some of the issues with using test scores or data aggregators to judge the quality of a school. But if not test scores, then what? Making a choice about school is a privilege, and with that privilege, comes a responsibility. How do you bring your values to that decision, when the information available is so problematic?

We’re joined by two mothers, Dana from Brooklyn and Meredith from Minneapolis, who both have kids entering elementary school next year. They talk about how they are thinking about this choice, given the options available, their values around social and racial justice, and the pressures from their White and/or privileged peers.

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