The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

The 12th Man joins the podcast so 3 white men can discuss racism, #MeToo, immigration and cervixes.

1:35 The Greens want to change the date for Australia Day but they haven’t offered an alternative date. The Fist says it will all be fixed when we become a Republic but that will probably offend monarchists.

4:17 The Greens are in danger of further alienating the white working class and falling into the same trap that captured the American Democrats. Joan C Williams has written a book about clueless urban elites.

9:58 An open letter to Stan Grant which deftly explains the dangers of the division he promotes and the futility of focussing on past wounds.

15:52 Morgan Freeman says racism will only be fixed if we stop talking about it.

21:31 MLK day

21:48 A feminist is uncomfortable with the way the #metoo movement conducts trials like the Salem witch trials. The Fist proposes that the defamation laws need to be taken into account.

30:00 Submissions to the Ruddock panel.

35:11 New Zealand is investigating child abuse in institutions but will not be looking at faith-based institutions.

36:55 Donald Trump and racism. The Lady doth protest too much, me thinks.

42:01 Myanmar leads to an immigration discussion.

51:43 If you want to start a church and make lots of money, have we got the seminar for you.

57:23 Indian Submarines

59:24 A rich man in Brazil decides to bury his Bentley so he can use it in the afterlife.

1:01:30 Men can get their cervix checked.

1:05:58 We add some names to the IFVG index

1:08:40 Opray Winfrey is a pseudo science promoter who should not be let loose in the White House.

1:12:22 The Rock is planning to run for President because of his desire to help the people but can’t run because he has some movies to make so he will put off saving us until 2024.

1:14:33 The word of the year “Milkshake Duck”

The Links

The Greens want to change Australia Day. The Fist sees analogies with the Democrats. A perception they are socially liberal urban elites who love aborigines, immigrants and refugees while holding a disdain for the racist white working class.  Guardian article

An open letter to Stan Grant

MLK day – judged not by the colour of their skin.

Morgan Freeman – on racism

Is #metoo a  modern version of the Salem witch trials?

Defamation the answer?

Freedom for Faith has drafted a submission to Ruddock’s panel. It’s only 100 pages long.

The NSL has drafted a...

The only Australian podcast to expose unconscionable religious schools, speak ill of Flo Bjelke-Petersen and explore gambling options involving Donald Trump.

1:36 Public submissions to the Ruddock panel may be kept secret from the public. There is no good reason for this. We need to know what information may have have influenced the panel and we need to know if such statements were true, false or misleading.

6:05 A review of a previous inquiry run by the Australian Human Rights Commission looked at public submissions made to that inquiry and concluded that the Christian lobby was effective and distorted the public submission process.

14:39 Unfortunately the Labor Party has stated they are happy with the current range of discrimination exemptions allowed to religious bodies.

15:52 Peter Singer says religious groups who can’t abide by general laws that apply to the rest of us should simply cease the particular activity involved.

18:05  Adrenalin and the Freezer story.

22:32 Peter Singer continued … For example, if you can only eat meat from an animal which has been killed while conscious then just don’t eat meat. If you can’t provide contraception services then don’t operate a hospital.

26:20 We present several cases of unfair discrimination by religious organisations where they escape sanction because of the special exemptions they enjoy.

39:12 Donald Trump is a genius. Fire and Fury reveals that he never wanted to win the Presidency. Add “Reckless” to the 4 R’s. The Fist looks at the odds of betting that Trump won’t win a second term in 2020.

51:33 Trump has a big nuclear button and we discuss “Command and Control” and several incidents which nearly led to accidental nuclear explosions.

1:00:59 Flo Bjelke-Peterson

1:06:10 Australia Day is not a day of shame.

1:09:20 Because of GST considerations, Aboriginal leaders are finally having to recognise that not all Aboriginals are needy and class distinctions are necessary.

1:12:20 The Murdoch press has criticised the Royal Commission for suggesting changes to celibacy and the confessional.

1:14:10 The Shoppies Union has done a deal with Domino’s and it doesn’t seem like a good one for the employees.

1:17:41 Strike Egypt off the list. Atheism will be criminalised soon.

1:18:40 Singapore has stolen our idea about organ donation. Agree to donate or you will be bumped down the list if you need one.

1:22:15 Kenan Malik says “Working Class” is never used in relation to non-whites … and it should be.

The links:

Public submissions to Philip Ruddock’s review of religious freedom to be kept secret

Here is the link to make a submission to the panel.

Nicholas Aroney. In case you weren’t already worried is on the record as saying “The right of individuals to formulate and articulate their beliefs, to act upon their

consciences and to associate with fellow believers is fundamental to a free society…  If religious freedom is restricted to an individual’s right to believe, with no right

to practice one’s belief, then it does not amount to very much at all.”

Christian groups had the benefits of effective establishmentarianism and were able to flood the submission process with...

The only Australian podcast to successfully combine book burning, wind farm safety, pirates and bubbles into a compelling 80 minute explanation of recent events in Australia and the direction we are heading.

2:46 Scott Morrison is as mad as hell about the mocking of Christians and he is not going to take it anymore. If he is serious about this he needs to check out the Book of Mormon.

9:12 Freedom For Faith are gathering their resources. We hope the secular forces are doing the same.

11:04 The ALRC did a report on religious freedom only 2 years ago.

12:09 Fahrenheit 451. In that book, censorship came from the bottom up and the same could be said about modern society. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. When it comes to censorship, one might say that the road to thought and speech control is paved by people trying to protect other people’s feelings.

18:17 The Shoppies Union has agreed to an enterprise agreement with Woolworths which probably allows for a wage below the award but the amount is secret.

27:08 Elderly suicide statistics are alarming and opponents of Assisted Dying Legislation must recognise it happens.

28:47 A man refused to vote because to do so would leave him feeling morally corrupt and a magistrate accepted the argument.

30:37 The SA power crisis in a nutshell.

35:33 Kenyan atheists award prizes for failing religious studies exams.

35:54 Aaron Baddeley is a Christian golfer.

40:20 So now we have a situation whereby kids’ wheelie shoes are banned, but six-inch knives are fine ­– provided they’re strapped to a Sikh. Welcome to the crazy world of religious privilege.

43:21 Despite the efforts of women who are crying out for fairer treatment, UNESCO continues unabated to award its World Heritage Status to religious sites that discriminate on the basis of gender. We applaud the Japanese protester.

47:04 Pirate society and chicken breeding and the evolution of humans.

55:08 A frightening explanation as to why our economy is a house of cards. As a whole, the Australian economy has grown through a property bubble inflating on top of a mining bubble, built on top of a commodities bubble, driven by a China bubble.

The links:

Scott Morrison doesn’t like mocking of Christians

Is he as worried about The Book Of Mormon?

Freedom For Faith is planning to make a substantial submission to the Inquiry http://marker.to/495Nts

The ALRC report shelved by the government two years ago found there was almost no cause for concern when it comes to freedom of religion in Australia.

The ALRC report http://marker.to/cQKn2c

Ray Bradbury was onto something http://marker.to/ASa0oW

University of Adelaide law professor Andrew Stewart said he had never come across an agreement where the wage rates were not published. He described the move as “extraordinary”.

2:38 The final recommendations from the Royal Commission.

10:31 Hugh Harris on “Religious Freedom”. Practice Vs Belief.

34:36 Street Walker

36:29 The Ruddock panel. Prof Nicholas Aroney, who has said religious freedom should include right to practise sharia law within limits, appointed to Philip Ruddock-led review

43:52 Our petition service has gathered  135 Signatures

48:24 We need a secular legal force.

55:14 What happening at The Rationalist Society

Sit back and relax as we weave tax theory, kebab shops and sex with a ghost into a compelling review of the last 7 days.

0:59 There are a lot of big companies paying little or no tax. Multinational companies shift income overseas to tax havens. The Fist wants to buy a phone from a company which pays appropriate tax but it’s not possible. The USA is introducing massive tax cuts which will cripple their economy and Malcolm Turnbull stupidly thinks we need to follow suit. Any business which is relying on tax rates to determine its domicile will avoid both Australia and the USA and go somewhere with almost zero tax. Retailers like Zara and Apple will come here no matter what the tax rate just to access our wealthy market. Any reduction will simply help local companies (like our banks) who cannot easily shift profits overseas. Studies have shown that the extra money is simply pocketed by the shareholders and no extra investment results. We need to attract businesses who value lifestyle and a low risk of being shot on the way to the cinema and who are willing to pay more tax for those benefits.

15:01 How can a political party get away with favouring the top 1%. Why doesn’t the democratic process kick in to get rid of these guys? Why do the other 99% allow it to happen? Martin Wolf says you need 3 things. The first is intellectuals who promote the debunked trickle down effect. The second is an elite class who control the political process. The third is a divide and conquer approach to the lower classes. Identity politics is playing a key role in that third component.

22:30 “What time does your kebab shop open?”. Is this racist or just stereotyping? Is it actually a compliment? The Fist argues that it is harmless stereotyping but the people complaining have insulted kebab shop owners by saying kebab shop owning is derogatory.

28:06 Should Milo Yiannopoulos be forced to pay a special fee to the Victorian police force due to the protests at his event? We say no.

32:46 An aboriginal women writes about the apocalypse which befell her people without mentioning her other ancestors were responsible. The 12th Man questions the use of the word “civilisation”.

41:34 Sex with a ghost.

44:02 The IFVG secular index is coming along and we discuss a few statistics from the Senate.

48:36 Cakeshop dilemma feedback. The Fist finds support in the Greek financial crisis for his argument about the importance of dignity. Matt and Ken think signs in shops will perhaps solve the problem but The Fist disagrees and The 12th Man admits to doubts.

1:03:04 Our podcast posts have time stamps so you can easily share relevant parts or you can fast forward past the boring bits.

1:04:33 “The best thing about oral sex from David Leyonhjelm – 5 minutes of silence.”

The links:

Big companies don’t pay tax and an Amazon Story

Our democracy is broken when 13 companies have paid zero dollars in tax but can still find $1.7m to donate to the Labor and Liberal parties.

How does a political party dedicated to the material interests of the top 0.

The only podcast that can successfully combine chicken breeding, tattoos, cakeshops and politics in one compelling episode.

1:11 The IFVG Secular Index ranks our Federal politicians according to their commitment to secular policies. The same-sex marriage debate has flushed out the non-secular opinions of some of our political leaders.

10:18 The Fist argues that a chicken breeding exercise provides a useful analogy to American society.

19:56 Good tattoos and bad tattoos.

29:56 The USA suffers from well funded Christian legal groups and the ACL is starting something similar here.

36:26 Our latest and possibly final cakeshop debate and the merits of religious freedom claims for special exemptions to allow discrimination.

58:21 Indigenous cultural appropriation and the original sin of non-aboriginals and the hazy question of who qualifies as aboriginal.

1:20:45 Deep Throat questions our statements on homeschooling.

1:26:01 Drinking wine in prison.

The Links

Who voted and how?

Wine ban relaxed for prison church services

 Tatts amazing: Wests Tigers star Kevin Naiqama proclaims his faith by inking bible verses across his chest

A legitimate Tattoo

 Indigenous cultural appropriation: what not to do Champagne or Sparkling Wine?

Australia’s original sin http://marker.to/76a5LW

The Christian Legal Army Behind ‘Masterpiece Cakeshop’ – A special investigation into the rise of Alliance Defending Freedom. http://marker.to/XFCsnt

The Human Rights Law Alliance

Libertarianism: a nice idea, but doomed

Fact Check from Deep Throat

Distance education is not considered Home Schooled

NSW statistics

Our Australian Podcast discusses One Nation Preferences, Lopsided Panels, Dying Patients, Religious Privileges, Bogus Persecution, Marauding Princes, Jackie’s Pain and Bob Katter’s Proclivities.

1:50 The result of the Queensland election has not been formally announced

but it appears that the Labor Government has been returned thanks in

part to the strange preference arrangement of the One Nation Party.

7:18 Victoria is very close to passing voluntary assisted dying laws and

the Greens have proposed to look at similar legislation to be enacted

at the Federal level. We discuss whether this is constitutionally valid

and look at the possible negative implications.

13:02 If the voluntary assisted dying laws are passed in Victoria then the

debate will move on to the problem of religious hospitals refusing to

provide the service and refusing to assist patients who may wish to

transfer out of their hospitals to get assisted dying elsewhere.

16:40 Fortunately, as hoped, discussion of religious freedom has led to some

politicians questioning the privileges that religions already enjoy.

We look at comments by Doug Cameron and a Western Australian review of

religious privileges in that State.

20:18 Matt Canavan is fighting to ensure that Christianity is not a

persecuted minority and he notes that there is no other planet we can

take ourselves to but, ironically, he has no problem polluting it with coal-fired

generators and coal mines.

23:54 The Essential Report has come out with statistics as to how

Australians feel about special religious privileges and unfortunately

many of them are willing to grant further privileges to religious

groups and to religious businesses who wish to discriminate against

same-sexx couples.

31:15 A panel has been formed to review protections for

religious freedom and the members of that panel are discussed and we

have serious concerns that there are pro religious voices on the panel

but no pro secular voices.

49:44 Jackie Lambie has complained that one of her constituents is feeling

the pain because he is not sure if he can legally discriminate

against same sex couples.

54:24 Civil celebrants say they don’t want special exemptions.

1:00:54 Bob Katter believes we must fix the crocodile problem first.

1:01:55 Should Sleeping Beauty be taken off the curriculum as it possibly

legitimises the practice of strange men kissing women when they are

asleep?

1:11:51 We have a couple of stories about Christian statues.

1:18:32 Nick Cave refuses to bow to pressure from BDS and schedules a

concert in Israel.

1:22:20 Robots can now do backflips.

1:23:50 Wealthy parents are now flocking to public schools and we look at the

facts and figures for education funding in Goulburn.

The links:

While private hospital The Epworth has revealed it is considering participating – and big Catholic providers have ruled it out – it is unclear whether patients at public hospitals will be able to seek an assisted death from willing hospital doctors.

From Doug Cameron yesterday during the Senate SSM debate –

WA Government seeks legal advice on religious schools’ right to discriminate against LGBTI teachers and students

3:06 We look at the marriage equality survey and examine what correlation there was between the No vote and religious affiliation, immigration status, education and ethnicity.

12:37 The factor that correlated most strongly with a No vote was religious affiliation. Being born overseas had only a slightly positive relationship with voting No. High household income was only slightly correlated with a YES vote and higher education levels had a slight but not remarkably positive relationship with voting YES. A closer look at each religion shows that Islam was the strongest indicator of a no vote.

16:13 We then go on to discuss Margaret Court and her dismay that the Government looks like allowing marriage equality.

20:00 George Brandis has proposed two unnecessary amendments and we discuss generally the difference between a religious objection and a conscientious objection.

33:31 Friend Nile of the New South Wales Upper House told blatant lies about a fictitious horror story regarding assisted dying but excused himself by suggesting that God prompted him to tell the story.

38:52 Anastacia Palaszczuk has put forward a policy to extend the time period for the first home buyers grant and we say why that is a bad idea.

41:30 In relation to Queensland we look at the reaction of the major Parties to religious instruction classes and conclude that of the major parties, the best bet for a secularist would be the Labor Party.

43:51 The United Nations has criticised Australia’s human rights record.

45:18 Should rich people pay bigger fines?

52:05 Hikers at Bluff Knoll in Western Australia have started to take their clothes off upon reaching the summit and local Aborigines find this disrespectful.

59:23 The Mayor of Alice Springs has provided statistics which show an amazing increase in the number of people claiming to be Aboriginal.

1:04:27 We look at an interesting case in America where African-American slaves of Cherokee American Indians claim Cherokee identity.

1:06:33 We look at Matthew Canavan and his religiosity and his relationship with the Australian Christian Lobby.

1:12:01 Lyle Shelton has proudly stated that many religious people have now got a taste for political activism and he is no doubt looking forward to employing them on future campaigns for the ACL.

1:13:22 The Velvet Glove updates us regarding Scott Morrison, David Leyonhjelm and Mathias Cormann and we enter them into the IFVG secular index.

1:29:42 Section 44 of the Constitution has ruled certain Senators ineligible due to dual citizenship and it is now ruling their replacements ineligible as they are holding positions of profit with the Crown.

1:31:41 We finish off with a quick look at Kevin Andrews and his willingness for various religious groups to be able to refuse service to other religious groups for whatever religious reason they like.

The links

How social conservatism among ethnic communities drove a strong ‘no’ vote in western Sydney http://marker.to/5pnPFP

Same-sex marriage survey: religious belief matched no vote most closely http://marker.to/xzfqGF

‘It’s a very sad...

No surprises for guessing that we kick off with a discussion over the

result of the marriage equality survey. Interestingly, the No vote

was strongest in the western suburbs of Sydney that feature a large

immigrant population.

10:21 We talk about the draft bill presented by James Paterson and the

nature of the exemptions that he is seeking and we also look at the

attitude of the Sydney Anglican Church and the Catholic Church to these

exemptions. David Marr in an article says that those institutions will

not push for the James Paterson style amendments. We reveal a survey

which unfortunately shows that many Australians would seemingly agree

with the James Paterson amendments.

15:11 The 12th Man and The Iron Fist engage in another round of debate

regarding businesses and their entitlement to discriminate against

various people in various circumstances.

51:25 The Iron Fist is dismayed at attempts to connect aboriginal kinship with

changes to marriage equality laws.

1:08:55 The citizenship fiasco continues.

1:10:25 The Atheist convention has been cancelled.

1:15:08 The TPP is back

1:16:38 New Zealanders are looking at changing their prayer.

1:18:24 No more smokes being sold by The Vatican

1:19:30 A Church is a great place to die.

1:21:42 Celibacy laws to cease in Brazil?

1:23:07 Landon Hardbottom sent a link about the slippery slope and assisted dying.

1:27:52 The Adani mine

The Links

Same-sex marriage survey by the stats: a resounding ‘yes’ but Western Sydney leads ‘no’ vote

YES 7,817,247 votes; 61%

NO  4,873,987 votes; 38.4%

Whether it is 4 Corners on the Liberal Party and Karina Alcatel, James Paterson on special exemptions or our favourite Catholic, Kristina Kinnealy  – our listeners are ahead of the game.

Though wide-ranging “conscience” exemptions are the dream of ultra-conservatives and a handful of smaller churches, the big players in the marriage contest know the votes aren’t there in parliament and that, once the public took a closer look at the proposals support, for them would die away.  http://marker.to/9HJjWW

But … Almost half of Australians back right to refuse same-sex weddings – poll http://marker.to/A4ZTHu

John Anderson has a whinge – Same-sex marriage survey sees freedom for all lost in the post

The director of the Melbourne Archdiocese’s marriage office has raised concerns that legalising same-sex marriage will restrict freedom to talk and teach about a Catholic view of marriage, http://marker.to/w5pBUQ

1:14 It seems that there is legislation to allow at least one person to

sue politicians who have fallen foul of the citizenship

requirements. A man from Wagga Wagga is showing us how it is done.

7:05 Australian attitudes to private schools are like American attitudes to

gun control.

11:22 Greg Sheridan has jumped the shark with his latest religious rant in

the Weekend Australian.

15:04 A social media study looking at tweets suggest that the marriage

equality vote will be extremely close.

19:31 The threat to freedom narrative by the religious lobby is just a bid

for power and privilege.

21:48 A society which operates as a meritocracy is perhaps just as unfair

as an aristocracy. We explain why.

39:11 Paul Keating told John Hewson that he wanted to do him slowly and it

seems that Paul Keating, in relation to assisted dying, wants to do us

all slowly.

42:05 The Czech Republic is worried about is Islam and Late Night Live

cannot understand why.

54:31 Aboriginal communities have decided that there will be no more

climbing of Uluru after 2018.

1:00:05 We look at the link between this, the #MeTo and victimhood.

1:05:18 A recent survey shows that 30% of Australians do not understand our

company tax rates and how they compare to the rest of the world.

1:08:37 You can now sit in a bath tub that smells like Kentucky Fried Chicken.

1:10:04 The Wall Street Journal has suggested that Donald Trump can

legitimately close down awkward inquiries and pardon all of his

associates. This is another example of the insidious influence of

Rupert Murdoch.

1:12:10 We look at political donations generally, the lobbying industry and

donations in the Queensland State election as well as the priorities

of the One Nation Party.

1:20:06 The Qld Premier has vetoed a Federal loan to the Adani mine on the

basis of a conflict of interest.

NSW man could be owed up to $460,000 from ousted dual-citizen politicians http://marker.to/5bFSaI

S.46

Section 46 of the Constitution of Australia http://marker.to/zdjAfv

COMMON INFORMERS (PARLIAMENTARY DISQUALIFICATIONS) ACT 1975 – SECT 3 Penalty for sitting when disqualified http://marker.to/ZtrWbH

Private Schools in Australia are like Gun Control in the  USA Monica Dux on private schools

Greg Sheridan on why you should not buy The Australian http://marker.to/F9aOj5