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On The Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden interviews his full sister Sienna Haze about growing up as Warren Jeffs’ children in the FLDS. Sienna recounts early life in Hildale/Short Creek, moving to the Yearning for Zion Ranch in Texas, strict community schooling, and her cleft-lip surgeries that exposed her to the outside world. She describes the 2008 Texas raid, separation at the Pavilion, DNA testing, and being repeatedly reassigned because she was “too much to handle.” The conversation follows the family’s post-raid years of hiding in Colorado, shifting “worthiness” rankings tied to living arrangements (Texas new house vs. original, South Dakota, hiding, Short Creek), and escalating punishments, isolation, and control. Sienna details manipulative “revelations,” name changes, forced separations from their mother, and ultimately being told to leave and “earn their own way,” leading to work and life in the outside world and later upheavals in Idaho and directives to move again.


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44:22 What Hiding Meant
47:43 Hiding Becomes Punishment
48:14 Dad Jail Phone Calls
51:19 New House Worthiness
58:56 Inside New House Rules
01:01:24 Off Limits Dad Wing
01:04:17 Short Creek Triplex Hell
01:05:42 2012 Whiplash Moves
01:07:11 Scribes Mental Torture
01:08:58 Summoned to New House
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01:13:08 Pressure and Favorites
01:14:25 Texas to South Dakota
01:16:13 Forbidden Family Contact
01:16:39 Towers Built and Destroyed
01:20:35 Duplex Non Member Life
01:21:41 Midnight Supply Run
01:24:36 Mother Shena Illness
01:27:30 Hiding House to House
01:29:31 Immorality Accusations
01:32:34 Colorado House Peace
01:35:23 Quaker House Gathering
01:37:59 April Sixth Dread
01:39:06 Sent to Short Creek
01:41:06 Uncle Nephi Message
01:42:15 Privileges and Garden
01:42:56 Service and Confinement
01:45:04 Uncle Lyle Arrives
01:48:25 Sent Away Forever
01:52:25 Learning the World
01:58:05 Denver Work and Rules
01:59:50 Seven Month Deadline
02:03:48 Cedar Meetings Begin
02:05:29 Split Up Again
02:09:27 Letters to Nations
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On The Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden talks with Michelle Michaels (known as “Ava” on Escaping Polygamy), who was born and raised in the Kingston polygamist group (The Order). Michelle explains her family ties to leadership, including that her father Jesse (Paul Kingston’s brother) had over 200 children and that her mother is his niece. She describes severe physical abuse in her home, including punishments with belts and boards, being told at age eight who she would marry, and learning that fathers often delivered babies. Michelle recounts her mother going to jail after an 18‑month‑old child died in their care, alleging her father beat the child, and explains how fake names and inaccurate birth certificates were used. She details planning her escape, creating a fake Facebook profile to contact ex-members, working to gain emancipation, appearing on Escaping Polygamy, and struggling with emotional disconnection, dating, and learning “normal” life after leaving in 2017.

01:16 Podcast Introductions
02:52 Escaping Polygamy Fame
04:22 Hair Rules and Culture Shock
06:08 Blunt Questions After Leaving
08:25 Dating and Birth Traditions
21:37 Mom Jailed Baby Death
25:02 Incest Laws and Plea Deal
39:19 Beatings and Learning Not to Cry
43:41 Dad’s Favoritism and Abuse
44:34 Hardest Ages Growing Up
46:08 Weapons and Beatings
47:40 Assigned Marriage at Eight
49:50 Perfection Wife Expectations
51:37 Mom’s Dangerous Pregnancies
55:10 Life at Fifteen and Fear
59:09 Comic Con Toy Runs
01:05:41 Toys Over Family Values
01:11:14 Wives Servants and Control
01:14:37 Marriage Pressure at Seventeen
01:26:52 Planning the Escape
01:29:21 Leaving With Escaping Polygamy
01:35:49 Aftermath and Tattoo Talk
01:38:28 Tattoos After Leaving
01:41:03 Biker Stereotypes Flip
01:44:22 Dating Outside the Cult
01:52:08 Vulnerability and Trust
01:57:46 Sharing Your Cult Past
02:02:44 Finding Joy and Favorites
02:04:58 Food Choices and Control
02:09:18 Hobbies and Peace
02:11:58 Bluntness and Empathy
02:25:54 Fake Birth Certificates
02:28:28 Fake Dad on Paperwork
02:28:50 Jail and Kid Injuries
02:29:26 Drinks and Being Blunt
02:31:24 Tattoos and First Impressions
02:35:25 Caffeine and Panic Attacks
02:40:06 Dating Struggles
02:41:40 Therapy Debate
02:52:53 Love Feels Like a Cult
02:55:44 AI as Therapist
03:03:26 Bad Doctors Story
03:08:02 Kingston vs FLDS Brain
03:08:27 Men and Therapy
03:09:49 Leaving FLDS and Healing
03:11:03 Logic Versus Emotions
03:16:54 Combining Empathy and Reason
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Addison (AUB Polygamy) on Leaving the Church, Purity Culture, and Religious OCD | The Jaden Jeffs Podcast

Jaden Jeffs interviews Addison (“Addi”), who grew up in the Apostolic United Brethren (AUB) in a polygamist family with three mothers and 21 children, later leaving the group and marrying her husband Mark. They compare the AUB with the FLDS, discussing differences in dress standards, secrecy and lying about polygamy, marriage/courting practices, leadership scandals, and how publicity like Sister Wives affected perceptions of polygamy. Addie describes family moves from Utah County to southern Utah into trailers, grief after her toddler sister was killed in a car accident, and how that contributed to religious OCD/scrupulosity, compulsive praying, and anxiety. She recounts leaving as a teen, family backlash, homelessness and moving in with Mark, shifting beliefs about God, and later severe health and postpartum OCD, exposure therapy, panic attacks, and learning her thoughts don’t define her.

01:39 Podcast Intro Addison Story
03:42 AUB vs FLDS Differences
06:53 Prophets Power and Abuse
07:40 Growing Up in One House
10:56 Marriage Courtship Rules
13:34 Sister Wives and Secrecy
16:39 TikTok Exposure and Lying
19:30 Older Leaders and Grooming
22:18 Mark and Leaving the AUB
27:19 School Sports and Sex Ed
31:55 Purity Cupcake Shame
33:16 Sex Ed Missing
34:16 Big Polygamist Families
36:05 Religious OCD Explained
38:33 Sister’s Death Trauma
44:36 Move South New Community
48:14 AUB Life and Doubts
50:31 Kiss Guilt and Leaving
52:47 Stopping Prayer Freedom
54:13 Justifying the Exit
01:03:17 Never Going Back Values
01:04:46 Faith Doubts and Forgiveness
01:05:33 AUB Dating Rules and Boundaries
01:07:11 Silence Around Sex and Abuse Risks
01:08:30 Parents Belief and Family Grace
01:09:58 First Wife Dynamics and Rotating Nights
01:12:51 Can Polygamy Really Work
01:15:29 Love Equality and Leaving Patriarchy
01:16:40 Religious OCD and Identity Rebuild
01:19:28 FLDS Ritual Cleaning and Compulsions
01:23:41 Postpartum OCD Intrusive Thoughts
01:26:48 Exposure Therapy and Breaking the Loop
01:29:08 Panic Attacks Feel Like Dying
01:33:11 Leaving Religion and Nervous System Fallout
01:39:15 Freedom After Leaving
01:39:52 Vegetarian Vegan OCD
01:42:16 Meat Eggs Exposure
01:43:15 Mormons Belief Doubts
01:44:44 Questioning Jesus Truth
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01:48:43 Living With Dad Legacy
01:52:05 Religion As Cults
01:55:47 Selfishness Morality
01:57:15 Afterlife Soul Questions
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Ex–Kingston ‘Order’ Sister Wives Tell Their Story: Coercion, Polygamy, Consent & Leaving the Cult
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On The Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden interviews Kathrine Nichols and Jana Johnson, former members of the Kingston Group (“the Order”), who were sister wives to the same ex-husband, Daniel, and married as teenagers. They describe growing up in polygamy with extremely large families, early social conditioning toward marriage, favoritism within leadership families, and how wives are kept separated to prevent close bonds. They discuss jealousy, competition, “nowhere nights,” and why they ultimately left, citing immaturity, poor treatment, coercive expectations, and broader doubts about the belief system. The conversation addresses consent and lack of sex education, power dynamics, alleged widespread sexual misconduct, racism and “blood purity” beliefs, and how trauma affects emotions after leaving. They share how their friendship strengthened after leaving and what they’d tell young people still inside.

00:00 Sister Wives Bonding
01:08 Podcast Introductions
02:29 Kingston Family Ties
02:58 Recognizing Order Members
03:45 How They Met Dan
05:11 Childhood Marriage Conditioning
07:18 Patrols and Fast Weddings
08:58 Favored Men and Hot Wives
11:04 Jealousy and the Ick
15:14 Teen Plural Family Reality
16:31 Why They Left Dan
22:26 Peak Romance and Honeymoon Phase
27:29 Consent Inside the Order
32:43 Learning to Say No
34:47 Kept Apart Then Reunited
38:10 Breaking Points and Timeline
41:31 Nowhere Nights Explained
44:25 Kiss Marry Kill Setup
45:22 Incest Game Fallout
46:02 Kingston Family Dynamics
48:27 Infidelity And Threesomes
51:03 Life After Leaving
52:25 Sister Wife Permission Talk
55:44 Dating Men After Cult
01:03:42 Imagining Polygamy Today
01:07:57 What Angers Them Most
01:10:27 Serial Monogamy Debate
01:15:18 Divorce And Kids
01:17:17 Who Was The Favorite
01:20:27 If Dan Walked In
01:23:58 Cult Leaders And Favorites
01:26:48 Old Men Still Having Sex
01:27:49 Public Displays Of Sex
01:29:40 Sex Object Pressure
01:31:03 Shocking School Secrets
01:33:07 Animal Cruelty Fallout
01:33:59 Abuse And Accountability
01:39:55 Epstein And Power
01:44:36 Racism And Blood Purity
01:47:41 South Dakota Compound
01:54:30 Life After Leaving
02:01:45 Advice To Leave Polygamy
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On The Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden says he binge-watched the documentary “Trust Me: False Prophet” and reviews its portrayal of Sam Bateman, praising the amount of on-the-ground footage and saying it felt unusually accurate and less agenda-driven than other FLDS documentaries. He shares an anecdote about Bateman’s long-standing reputation for erratic “revelations,” discusses criticism about whether victims’ faces were sufficiently obscured, and reacts to law enforcement comments about evidence and “tender hearts,” questioning why more wasn’t done. He also addresses reporter Mike Watkiss’s public critique that the documentary uses a Hollywood narrative and that a traffic stop body-cam video in Flagstaff was key to stopping Bateman. Finally, Jaden speculates about FLDS leadership, describing his brother Heleman as enforcing Warren Jeffs’s direction and arguing that Warren Jeffs’s death could lead to multiple smarter “Sam Batemans” emerging.

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01:25 Sam Bateman Backstory
03:49 Face Editing Debate
06:00 Why This Doc Works
09:27 Accuracy and Police Critique
14:32 Christine and Local Opinions
15:36 Reporter Mike Pushback
22:53 Money and Credit Arguments
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On The Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden interviews Brandon Suarez, who grew up Mennonite in Kentucky and West Tennessee and describes a strict, rule-driven culture with private schooling through eighth grade, heavy emphasis on hard work, tithing, and modesty rules for women, including coverings. Brandon explains pressure to “become a Christian” and qualify for baptism through classes and standards, including scrutiny around sexual purity, and how lack of sex education contributed to confusion, porn use, and mental health struggles. He recounts running away as a minor, later being baptized around 18–19, and eventually leaving, describing the shift from a forced identity to a “limitless” mindset. They compare Mennonite life with FLDS and Utah Mormon culture, discuss hypocrisy and control, and Brandon shares his later trucking, move to Utah, and success owning Utah Structures.

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01:45 Mennonite Vs Amish
05:31 Missions And Nepal
07:59 Stores Pole Barn Life
10:12 Sex Talk And Tech
13:31 Leadership Tithing Values
16:49 Mental Health Freedom
19:17 School Dating Shunning
25:24 Women Rules Control
32:36 Leaving Identity Crisis
37:44 Becoming Christian Purity
43:52 Sex Talk Missing
44:39 Porn Shock and Shame
47:55 Rules for Baptism
50:28 Opting Out and God
57:12 Dark Years 12 to 16
01:06:58 If It’s Fun Don’t
01:09:08 Trucks as Freedom
01:13:49 Running Away at 16
01:17:39 Bootcamp Reset and Faith
01:22:00 Big Baptism and Speaking Out
01:25:56 Women Staying and Dress Codes
01:29:09 Morality vs Humanity
01:34:25 Faith Without Pedestals
01:35:53 Why People Join Religions
01:37:58 Validation After Leaving
01:40:44 Men Women and Utah
01:45:36 Hypocrisy and Control Systems
01:50:01 Treat People Like Humans
01:52:56 Golf Friends and Accents
01:57:10 Learning to Dance Community
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Jaden Jeffs (ex-FLDS) and Amanda Rae (ex-Kingston/“the Order”) discuss how their groups used control, forced labor, and shame to suppress individuality, empathy, and mental health, including dissociation, overanalyzing, and fear of “losing your mind.” They compare polygamy and incest normalization, describe how leaving can make early relationships unhealthy, and talk about reconnecting with the body through yoga, neurofeedback, and somatic healing. Amanda explains Kingston financial practices such as underage kids paying rent, pooled family accounts, and leadership control of members’ money, plus alleged fraud and “bleeding the beast” tactics to take government funds. They explore how denial and inability to process extreme abuse lets systems persist, reference Epstein-related discourse, and debate whether billionaires can have empathy and how power avoids accountability.

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01:24 Healing After Cult Life
03:26 Overthinking and Neurofeedback
05:52 Dissociation and Reclaiming Self
08:04 Incest Normalized in Groups
10:38 Dating After Leaving
12:37 Cults Outside the Cult
15:34 Finding Home After Exit
17:42 Body Shame and Somatic Work
20:30 Men and Emotional Repression
23:55 Cruelty Learned in Childhood
30:21 Money Control and Slave Labor
32:06 Kingston Economy and Fraud
42:14 Power, Greed, and No Empathy
46:48 Favoritism and Control
47:20 Defining Religious Psychosis
49:02 Schizophrenia in a Bubble
50:39 Pedestals and Cult Loyalty
55:21 Depression as Sin
58:00 Neglect and Disability Stories
59:51 Mormon Roots and FLDS History
01:05:16 Money Systems and Cult Economics
01:11:01 Misunderstanding the Order
01:14:07 Epstein Files and Reality Shock
01:20:25 Can Power Be Stopped
01:22:20 Billionaires and Corruption
01:27:54 Playing Dirty to Win
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On The Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Celia LeBaron, daughter of cult leader Ervil LeBaron and one of his 51 children, describes growing up in a fundamentalist Mormon commune and constantly moving between Mexico and the U.S. amid extreme poverty, welfare dependence, and child labor. She explains the Mormon-rooted doctrine of “blood atonement,” how her father used it to justify killing perceived threats and defectors, and recounts learning as an adult that her sister Rebecca—pregnant and about 18—was executed after threatening to go to police. Celia discusses FBI raids, indoctrination of children, attempted and carried-out hits including the killing of Rulon Allred by coerced teenage girls, and how life worsened under Dan Jordan’s abusive control. After a public beating and being denied education, she fled at 19 to rebuild her life, later emphasizing compassion for siblings shaped by coercion.

00:51 Meet Celia LeBaron
01:56 Blood Atonement Explained
05:54 Childhood on the Move
08:17 Obedience Training
10:03 Remembering a Prophet Father
15:53 Learning the Killings Were Real
17:32 LeBaron Split and Joel Murder
23:33 Raids and Rulon Allred Plot
29:58 Brainwashing and Alternate Reality
37:32 Purity Culture and Death Penalties
45:25 Rebecca Truth Revealed
51:03 Rulon Allred Hit and FBI Raids
57:15 Denver Slave Labor Warehouse
01:01:46 Dan Jordan Abuse
01:02:40 Keep Sweet Control
01:03:56 Prophet Arrest Fallout
01:05:54 Dad Dies in Prison
01:07:12 Back Under Dan
01:09:41 Utah Mission Tactics
01:12:08 Beaten for Disrespect
01:16:44 Mom's Role Explained
01:22:34 Planning the Escape
01:31:53 Rebuilding in Houston
01:38:32 Four O'Clock Murders
01:47:09 Misunderstood Siblings
01:53:10 Cult vs Religion
01:54:33 Vulnerable to Cults
01:57:36 Where to Follow
01:59:48 Final Thanks

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Jaden interviews Alyssa, who grew up in a strict LDS home in Minnesota, moved to Utah for BYU, and later left the Mormon church. They discuss culture shock in Utah, hypocrisy and contradictions in LDS rules (coffee vs energy drinks, garments changing, dating and sexual standards), and how spiritual feelings—especially through music and the curated temple environment—can be interpreted as truth or manipulation. Alyssa explains she didn’t fully believe until her early 20s, recommitted during COVID by taking missionary lessons, repenting, getting endowed, and attending the temple weekly, then experienced a faith collapse after a major LDS breakup in 2024 that shifted her view of God, sealing, and “one true church” claims. She now attends a non-denominational church off and on, relates to agnosticism, and describes difficult but loving family dynamics, including conflict over tithing and her parents’ inability to see outside the LDS worldview.

00:00 Faith Stakes Banter
00:55 Meet Alyssa Ex Mormon
02:37 Utah Bubble Culture Shock
03:55 Strict LDS Childhood Rules
06:19 Sex Talk And Purity Culture
08:47 Belief Wavers Then BYU Reset
13:25 Swearing And Family Dynamics
17:09 Hypocrisy And Church History
20:34 Coffee Monsters And Garments
27:28 COVID Recommitment And Temple High
32:24 Temple As Curated Spirituality
36:17 Dating Non Member While Devout
37:51 Covenants Over Everything
38:21 Why Date Nonmembers
42:14 Conversion Culture Gray Area
45:20 Contradictions And Garments
50:57 Black And White Mormon Identity
54:25 FLDS Lens On Hypocrisy
01:03:30 Breakup Catalyst Leaving
01:10:48 Utah Dating Commitment Issues
01:12:00 Strength Of Youth Dating Rules
01:13:49 Mormon Dating Contradictions
01:15:34 Why Parents Can’t Hear Doubt
01:19:04 Tithing Sparks the Talk
01:25:20 Is There One True Church
01:28:00 What Mormonism Still Offers
01:32:27 Utah Culture and Defending LDS
01:36:23 Why People Join Religions
01:38:24 Spiritual Manipulation Explained
01:42:40 Life After Leaving the Church
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Lorraine Johnson (Ex-FLDS): Married at 15 to Winston Blackmore, the Warren Jeffs Split, and Life in Canada

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On The Jaden Jeffs Podcast, Jaden interviews Lorraine Johnson, who was born in Hildale, Utah, raised in Short Creek, and later lived in the FLDS community in Canada where she married Winston Blackmore at 15 as his 17th wife. Lorraine describes her musical upbringing, her grandfather Lawrence Steed’s influence, and how centralized “placement” marriage evolved after men married girls while their father was away. She explains why she wanted to marry young, including limited schooling and fears around the year 2000, and how she prayed and asked to be placed with Winston. Lorraine details Winston’s popularity and liaison role for Rulon Jeffs, the growing conflict with Warren Jeffs, Winston’s 2001 trial, the repentance dispute involving a baptized young woman, and Winston being removed as bishop and later accused of adultery after Rulon’s death. She shares what early plural marriage life was like, her shifting beliefs, and how COVID changed church and school authority in Canada, while reflecting on women’s voice, identity, and choosing when to end struggles.

00:00 Teen Marriage Dreams
00:38 Meet Lorraine Johnson
00:58 Growing Up Short Creek
01:38 Grandpa Lawrence Steed
04:28 Origins of Placement Marriage
07:23 Winston Blackmore Emerges
11:34 Winston Versus Warren
12:15 Bishop at Eighteen
17:15 Popularity and Many Wives
19:15 Wanting Marriage Young
26:16 School and Social Isolation
30:41 Turning In to Marry Winston
34:18 New Wife Reality Check
36:00 Winston as Matchmaker
37:06 Life With Many Wives
38:30 Babies and Bishop Duties
39:52 The Split Begins
43:13 Repentance and Baptism Clash
46:52 Sat Down as Bishop
54:49 Rulon Funeral Paranoia
59:09 Letter and Exile Decision
01:02:02 Faith Shifts and Deprogramming
01:04:57 Life After Winston
01:06:36 COVID Power Shift
01:10:34 Women and Authority
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