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Ken Baden and Jason Nemes first connected at the Blue Collar Ballers event in February of last year, and this episode is the payoff of several scheduling attempts that almost didn't happen. It's worth the wait.
Jason's background is anything but conventional for a roofing CEO. He spent years building a 4,500-person downline in the health and wellness network marketing space, and still draws a six-figure annual residual from that work today. When a friend called him to start a roofing company, Jason flew to Oklahoma to learn the basics — door knocking, inspections, filing claims — and dove in headfirst.
His first official company, Summit Solutions Roofing and Construction, launched at the end of June 2024 after a business partnership dissolved over equity disagreements. He's candid about the split, the half-million-dollar back-door he experienced from a rep he trusted, and how those hard lessons reshaped the way he moves in business today.
Jason talks about the DFW market — one of the most saturated roofing markets in the country with roughly 8,000 companies — and how he managed to cut through by staying true to who he is on social media, paying people on time, and building a culture where team members feel seen, valued, and enrolled in the vision.
Ken and Jason also get into the business side of growth: insurance vs. retail revenue, multi-state licensing in Oklahoma, Arkansas, and soon Florida and Arizona, goals of $20-30 million this year, the EBITDA benchmarks that make a PE exit viable, and what a real private equity deal looks like for a roofing company in today's market.
The conversation closes on a personal and powerful note — Jason's recovery from drug and alcohol addiction, and how the same intensity and discipline that nearly cost him everything is now the fuel behind one of the fastest-growing roofing startups in Texas.
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Guest: Jesse Spiegel is the founder of NexLev Logic (nexlevlogic.com), an AI automation platform built exclusively for the roofing industry. With years of experience as a top-producing roofing sales rep — including $3.8M in a single storm season — Jesse turned his firsthand frustrations into a full suite of tools that help roofing companies communicate better, close more, and scale without the chaos. He currently manages roofing projects in both Colorado and Florida while growing NexLev Logic.
Host: Ken Baden is the CEO and owner of Baden Consulting and Potomac Custom Remodeling. His podcast, The Kitchen Table Podcast, is where real business conversations happen in the trades and beyond.
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Guest: Maryori Jones | Founder, Ave Sportwear
Host: Ken Baden | CEO/Owner, Baden Consulting & Potomac Custom Remodeling
Podcast: The Kitchen Table Podcast | thekitchentablepodcast.net
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Host: Ken Baden — CEO & President, Potomac Custom Remodeling and Baden Consulting Format: Solo episode, no guest Runtime: Approx. 21 minutes
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Baden Consulting is currently accepting a limited number of clients per quarter. Reach out to Ken directly for availability or referrals to vetted industry consultants.
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This episode stands out for its raw honesty about the dark side of entrepreneurial success. Saahil doesn't just share his story - he provides a roadmap for others to avoid the same traps. The conversation challenges conventional notions of success and offers a more holistic, sustainable approach to building both business and life.
Key takeaways include the importance of defining success on your own terms, recognizing the warning signs of burnout and unfulfillment, and understanding that it's never too late to course-correct. Saahil's father starting a business at 54 is particularly inspiring for listeners who feel they've missed their window.
The Zero Regret philosophy provides a practical framework that listeners can immediately apply to their decision-making process, while the emphasis on decluttering offers tangible first steps toward transformation.
Guest: Reed Nyffeler - Author, franchisor operating in 49 states & 9 countries Books: "Transform Through Purpose" and "Lead Exponentially" Contact: readnyffeler.com
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[00:00:00] Introduction & Reed's Background
[00:00:48] Construction Beginnings - Block layer at 14, father's home building business
[00:01:51] Career Evolution - DeWalt Power Tools, early tech, Christmas lights
[00:03:10] Discovering Franchising - The gap between skills and business knowledge
[00:04:01] Franchise Value - Recipe for success, pricing, systems, exit strategy
[00:08:00] Security Franchise Deep Dive - 49 states, Uber-like software, hundreds of millions in revenue
[00:12:00] Target Audience - Military veterans and former police officers
[00:15:00] New Low-Cost Franchises - Filter Go, window cleaning, no money down model
[00:18:00] Cross-Selling Strategy - Leveraging existing clients for warm leads
[00:20:20] Franchise vs. Entrepreneur - Personality assessment and path selection
[00:21:40] Great Grandma Analogy - Recipe creators vs. recipe perfectors
[00:24:00] The $20 Payroll Story - Learning what NOT to do
[00:26:40] Lead Exponentially Framework - Six-month test: business vs. job
[00:28:20] Teaching for Employee Benefit - Motivation beyond paycheck
[00:31:00] Five Levels of Leadership - Aligning leadership with organization size
[00:33:00] Where to Find Reed - Books, website, resources
[00:35:00] Final Wisdom - Stewardship and multigenerational impact
[00:36:15] Closing & Consulting Info
Guest: Chris Zimmerman
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About Bill Blankschaen: Bill is the author of "Your Story Advantage" and owner of Story Builders, where he's spent 13+ years helping individuals and businesses develop their stories. He's worked with high-profile names like Dean Graziosi, John Maxwell, and Louis Howes, as well as countless businesses building their brands systematically.
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Seven-Step Brand Story Process: Bill walks businesses through a comprehensive process to develop their brand story, ensuring it resonates with their target audience and builds trust.
Key Philosophy: "Your story is about you, but your story is not for you" - This mindset shift helps entrepreneurs focus on serving their customers rather than just promoting themselves.
The Story Focus Question: If someone engages with your brand and forgets 99% of everything, what's the ONE thing you want them to remember? This becomes your "meaningful message."
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00:00:18 - Welcome and guest introduction - Bill Blankschaen from Orlando
00:00:56 - Ken's excitement about discussing story and brand over roofing
00:01:33 - The importance of building a personal brand
00:02:30 - Everyone has a distinct advantage through their unique story
00:03:03 - The Story Ecosystem: Message Maker, Message Multiplier, Message Monetizer
00:03:56 - Discussion of Bill's book "Your Story Advantage"
00:04:25 - Bill's 13+ years of experience working with major names
00:05:01 - Your breakthrough begins when you start with your story
00:05:43 - The importance of story for both influencers AND businesses
00:06:09 - Seven-step process for developing brand stories
00:06:18 - "Your story is about you, but not for you"
00:07:04 - Roofing example: Trust-based decision making
00:08:00 - Ken's positioning strategy for higher-end clients
00:09:07 - Being intentional about who you want to reach
00:09:46 - Copy-paste-tweak: Systemizing your brand story
00:10:38 - Defining your key demographic intentionally
00:10:46 - Case study: Multi-generational stone masonry company
00:12:01 - Reverse engineering marketing from your brand story
00:12:28 - The "Roof Wizard" character discussion
00:13:00 - Potomac Custom Remodeling brand strategy
00:13:56 - Everyone telling the same story across your organization
00:14:41 - Many businesses succeed accidentally
00:15:10 - Ken at the point of exhausting outbound marketing
00:15:30 - The power of brand recognition
00:16:00 - Access to the course and bonuses
00:16:22 - Working with both individuals and organizations
00:17:10 - Your key to success is focusing on your "neighborhood"
00:18:10 - The congressman story: "This book is for every American"
00:18:26 - Narrowing your focus to punch through Sheehan's Wall
00:19:01 - Puddle, pond, lake, ocean analogy for building audience
00:19:26 - Ken's two book ideas and the disconnect
00:20:05 - Why books differentiate service-based businesses
00:20:24 - "You've literally written the book on the subject"
00:21:00 - Business books vs. personal brand books
00:22:00 - "How to Roof Your Home" concept discussion
00:22:32 - Booklets that provide immediate value
00:23:00 - The face of the brand concept
00:23:40 - Allergist example with multiple locations
00:24:20 - The neglected origin story of companies
00:25:00 - Telling your story to resonate with customer problems
00:25:17 - Ken's company story training
00:26:00 - Ken's personal background story begins
00:27:00 - Car accident leading to addiction
00:27:12 - Three rehabs, jail, attempting to rob a store
00:27:46 - The oxycodone epidemic connection
00:28:00 - From homelessness to building businesses in 8 years
00:28:33 - Meeting his future wife (attorney) and avoiding bankruptcy
00:29:01 - Building multiple businesses from nothing
00:29:40 - The power of sharing difficult stories
00:30:00 - Bill's insight: Restoration and renewal theme
00:30:44 - Every story matters philosophy
00:31:20 - How to communicate difficult stories carefully
00:31:50 - The two book disconnect revealed
00:32:00 - Your story exists to support your message
00:32:24 - Ken's realization about combining the books
00:32:40 - Addiction's impact on American families
00:33:05 - Writing for both addicts and family members
00:33:45 - Work to be done compartmentalizing the story
00:34:00 - Chapters 4 and 5 on building books
00:34:20 - Six book starter questions
00:34:46 - Both/and thinking instead of either/or
00:35:00 - Ken's request for a signed copy
00:35:35 - Where to get the book and bonuses
00:36:22 - Schedule time to talk: mystorybuilders.com/story
00:36:40 - Business owners are building personal brands too
00:37:15 - Delivering tactical, actionable value
00:38:00 - The collaboration chapter: "If you want to elevate, you must collaborate"
00:38:46 - Entrepreneurs trying to do everything themselves
00:39:11 - Famous last words: "I'll just do it myself"
00:39:33 - Final advice for business owners: Start with your meaningful message
00:40:00 - The Story Focus Question explained
00:40:24 - If they only remember ONE thing, what should it be?
00:41:17 - The starting point for any business or brand
00:41:46 - Ken's timing: Five years in, ready for branding
00:42:00 - Final book promotion and excitement
00:42:27 - Where to connect with Bill
00:43:06 - The coincidence of James's encouragement this morning
00:43:27 - Bill's parting wisdom: Every story matters
00:44:06 - Your responsibility to contribute your best
00:44:24 - Episode wrap-up
James Shin is the author of "The Leader's Soul: 52 Reflections for Unlocking Your Inner Leader" and founder of a leadership consulting practice. Originally from South Korea, James immigrated to the United States 31 years ago to pursue his PhD at Penn State. He spent 20 years at Caterpillar, moving seven times within the company and holding various leadership positions including Plant Manager and Supply Chain Manager. His last corporate role before starting his consulting business was with Cabinet Works Group. James is based in Houston, Texas, and is passionate about people-centric leadership that creates sustainable, long-term results.
Key Topics CoveredThe Foundation: Integrity and Compassion
The PQVC Framework
The PDCA Approach
Leading by Example
Personal Investment in Team
The People-Centric Philosophy
Challenges of Leading Younger Generations
Mistakes and Learning
Long-Term Culture vs. Short-Term Goals
Diversity and Different Perspectives
The Trust Factor
"Leadership is not about the results—it's about who you are at the core, so people can emulate what you do."
"Integrity is basically the consistency between what you say and what you do."
"Compassion is feeling plus action—empathy plus the desire to help."
"People, Quality, Velocity, Cost—if you execute in that order, I can guarantee you'll have sustainable results."
"Once you have trust, it opens up a lot of opportunities."
"Making mistakes, you can learn a lot from them. But quitting is actually destined to be a failure."
"Trust your wings and fly. Birds on branches aren't afraid of the branch breaking because they trust their wings."
"Leadership becomes tougher nowadays because of entitlement and social media distractions."
"You can take over the world just by simply showing up and doing what you're supposed to do."
"If you didn't achieve the goals, dissect what happened—internal factors or external factors?"
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