Malcolm and Simone Collins break down a viral left-wing YouTuber’s video claiming the Left would win an upcoming American Civil War. Instead of dismissing it, they steelman his arguments, examine historical parallels, institutional control, police/military loyalty, supply lines, and urban vs. rural dynamics.

They explore realistic scenarios for how a future crisis could unfold (disputed election → secession of blue cities → blockades), why drone swarms and logistics will matter more than armed rednecks, and why the Left’s own demographics, antinatalism, and institutional parasitism may doom their long-term prospects.

Includes deep discussion on vasectomy culture, narrative-based vs. data-based thinking, and a fun tangent on next-gen autonomous drone design for home defense and warfare.

If you’re interested in pronoia, demographic collapse, institutional power, or surviving turbulent times, this episode is essential listening.

Episode Transcript

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be diving deep into the mind of an individual who some right-wing figures have covered recently for his crazy comments. One of the crazier ones that happened recently is he said that if he transported back to the Pilgrim era, and obviously I’ll play the clip here,

Speaker: You suddenly wake up in the 17th century on a ship headed for New England. As soon as we landed, I would use the money to bribe the boatswain to look the other way while I stole all of the muskets and powder on board, and then I would march immediately to the nearest indigenous settlement, give the guns out like candy, and make it my mission in life to murder every single white man, woman and child on the eastern seaboard of the continent.

Malcolm Collins: That he would kill w- any white women and children that he found after- Oh, God

betraying the Pilgrims and giving away all their guns to Indians. Because apparently this makes sense to him, and he’s [00:01:00] also gone viral, which we’ll talk about later in this you know, sterilizing himself. But with all of this stuff, yes, I could go over how crazy this guy sounds. Which is- I think we

Simone Collins: all know

something

Malcolm Collins: I could do. But as people who watch our channel, I try to bring a unique perspective to what I’m covering, so I decided to go through and watch his videos. So on- Oh, you

Simone Collins: went down the rabbit hole.

Malcolm Collins: Yes.

Simone Collins: Okay. And

Malcolm Collins: one of his videos, which is the one I really wanna talk on in this, is why the left would win an upcoming civil war.

Oh ... and he basically lays out the plan that his side has for winning an upcoming civil war. And it’s- Really? ... not as insane as you would think. So- Oh, they have

Simone Collins: a shot?

Malcolm Collins: Potentially, yeah. Can they take

Simone Collins: us?

Malcolm Collins: So it’s something that we need to, to talk about, we need to engage with. And more than just engaging with it, the reason why [00:02:00] I think it’s so important to engage with is I think it makes it clear when the right-wing alliance thinks about the elements of the alliance that are actually important to both its long-term viability and its immediate security on in the moment of, like, crazy revolution type stuff, right?

Yeah. Yeah. It is- Massively misunderstanding where it should actually be focusing. Hmm. It’s focusing way too much on armed groups of rednecks, which he points out, realistically, aren’t particularly relevant if a civil war did break out. And he goes through historic civil wars to make this argument.

Now, I don’t think that that’s... I, I, I don’t think the way he presents his argument is powerful, ‘cause I’d be like, yeah, but the technological context is entirely different now. They didn’t have, like, fully automatic weapons back then and stuff, right? Mm-hmm. But the, the... He does, he [00:03:00] does notice things that I think a right-wing person would notice.

So let’s go into this, and he also goes into how, how probable it is, okay?

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: So broadly, his worldview goes like this. If you look at historic civil wars, what actually ended up determining who won and how well sides were able to sort of field their assets, it largely came downstream of the existing bureaucratic and civilizational infrastructure that allowed them to recruit and command troops at scale.

Uh-huh. As well as manage industry at scale. Mm-hmm. And that so if you, if you think about something like the Revolutionary War or something like this the troops that we had fighting for us were not just, you know, people who we had raised out of nowhere. These were preexisting military regiments often.

Or, or they had elements of [00:04:00] preexisting military regiments within them. If you look at the you know, Civil War both the South and the North had sort of large scale e- economic and sort of civilizational infrastructure that they could call on. R- random rebels have a very hard time doing anything other than just holding land.

And would they even be able to hold land in an existing context? So to give an understanding of, like, how he’s thinking about a civil war he was praising Mondame for and apparently a lot of leftists see this as a major betrayal, and he was saying that this was actually very shrewd immediately burying the hatchet with the NYPD as soon as he was elected.

And he’s like, “Look, if we want to prevent ICE,” like federal government troops, “from operating effectively in New York, we are going to need the [00:05:00] NYPD on our side. We are going to need- our own thugs with guns to be fighting their thugs with guns.

Simone Collins: Oh. Oh. Oh. I mean, I guess the police need their pensions to be paid, and who, who controls the pensions?

So if we’re talking about, like, national versus local control, is that kind of what he’s thinking about?

Malcolm Collins: So, th- yeah, basically the question is, is if society were ever to fall into unrest, how much organizational control would leftists have? We, I mean, like, when we know the types of institutions that leftists control today leftists control the huge parts of the, the judicial system in the most economically prosperous parts of the United States, huge parts of the white collar job system in the most industrious parts, you know, technologically industrious parts of the United [00:06:00] States.

They control governments and the surrounding environments in stuff like cities. So suppose we were having any form of a revolution or something like that. The NYPD is obviously quite pissed at the way leftists have treated them, but you’ve also gotta keep in mind how long they have had woke hiring practices within their organization.

So even though they have a bit of a, a chip on their shoulder compared to other people, you gotta keep in mind their entire architecture around them, right? You know, you’ve got everybody else in Manhattan, many of whom are quite left-leaning, who could pressure them or make it difficult for them to act independently in the case of any sort of serious split.

Now I’m just giving you guys his perspective. I actually think it’s massively wrong, but I’m giving you his perspective, right? And then if I was gonna further steel man his perspective beyond what he has said, because obviously being a modern leftist, he doesn’t think AI is relevant. But,

Speaker: Where [00:07:00] do you fall on the Luddite to accelerationist spectrum? Uh, I’m of two minds. I- in my heart of hearts, I think the agricultural revolution was a mistake. I think that any society with an agricultural mode of subsistence is necessarily imperial and hierarchical, and I think that basically all of our problems come downstream from that.

Malcolm Collins: No ... I have argued that the core thing of relevance in future battles, even six, seven years out, is gonna be automated drone swarms.

You know, th- this matters, who

Simone Collins: controls the- Absolutely ...

Malcolm Collins: the automated drone swarms. And the-

Simone Collins: Well, so far the federal government is, like, leaps and bounds ahead of any, any private or state-based entity I’m aware of Is that thing

Malcolm Collins: I worked on with RFAB is automated drone swarms?

Simone Collins: Yeah, sh- yeah. Yes.

Malcolm Collins: Would fans pay for that?

Could we get funding for that? ‘Cause I

Simone Collins: would

Malcolm Collins: do that. I don’t, I mean- I could, I bet I could build automated drone swarms better than the government can.

Simone Collins: [00:08:00] Well, let’s look into it. I want, I want a home defense swarm system. So could work on that one.

Malcolm Collins: Well, so okay, just a side note. If I was gonna focus on automated drone swarms, how, w- like what would be our, our arbitrage play?

Mm-hmm. So I’m just trying to think of how you could do something significantly better than the existing systems. So I’ve been watching lots of film of like what’s going on in Ukraine right now. Oh. And you have a huge, a, yes, our fans will find this tangent interesting. I t- I’m trying to think. Like do our fans care- Yeah

about automated drone swarm technology and how

Simone Collins: you- Yes, they do. Yes. No. No. Anyone who wants to survive in the future, and I mean our fans are not suicidal and self-terminating, they do. They want their children to survive.

Malcolm Collins: Well, except for the ones who said some naughty things about Israel, and I’ve, and I’ve heard many of them have been thinking about some end of life solutions.

Y- [00:09:00] I, I, I, I say this of course for Mossad so that they know I’m on team here, okay? 100% on team.

Speaker 3: So this speculative discussion into drone design went on way longer than I anticipated. , So I moved it to the end. , And you can, I guess, just skip to it with timestamps if you’re desperate to hear me, an uninformed person, go on forever about what would be an interesting drone design

Malcolm Collins: Okay, I gotta get back to the topic at hand.

Simone Collins: Right. Civil War

Malcolm Collins: webs police. So what actually ha- happens... And people can tell me their ideas of how you could make drone technology better.

I’d be very interested in this so I can steal them, because my idea’s probably stupid. This was just off the top of my head idea. But okay, so this guy I think he’s fundamentally wrong about what a civil war would look like because he’s thinking of a civil war in the way that rightists think about a civil war.

So he’s looking at the rightist militant’s fantasy of the armed guerrilla civil war which I do not [00:10:00] think is a realistic pathway for a near future American Civil War. Okay. What is a more likely pathway for a near future American Civil War? I’ve said it before, but let’s, let’s go through what it would look like if it happened.

One party gets into power, and then the election results, either through genuine fraudulence or non-fraudulence, says that they lost the next presidential election. But they say, “We didn’t lose the presidential election.” In fact-

Simone Collins: Which is what you anticipate, the primary means through which this all happens.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. And the reason I suspect that this is gonna happen is both parties have become razor thin close to doing this multiple times.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Like, every election just seems like we’re asking for it at this point.

Simone Collins: Well, yeah, it, it’s almost like a pendulum that’s swinging, but it just keeps swinging farther and farther each time, and eventually it’s gonna ha- like hit this ding, like bell.

We’ve hit the we’ve hit the civil war bell. [00:11:00] Great

Malcolm Collins: Or the one party put something in place that is just so transparently cheating in the election system that the other party’s just like, “No, we’re not going along with this.” Right? Yeah. And obviously we got closer with, like, the the, the Voter Rights Act and stuff like this.

M- many leftists do not like that they do not get the racial seats that they used to got, which were obviously unfair and racist, but whatever. And then the Virginia case when they tried to cancel this, getting struck down, so they lost- Yeah ... all the seats that they thought they were gonna get there.

Simone Collins: Did you see Scott Pressler’s tweet about it?

It was lovely. He, he was- Mm-hmm ... he was there. He’s still making things happen.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, he was part of that?

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: How did he campaign to the, I

Simone Collins: don’t know the full backstory. I just know he was a part of it. He was there and he tweeted a selfie of himself and everyone celebrating, and it was lovely.

Malcolm Collins: Well, that’s lovely.

Yeah. You know, if, if they’re gonna play the g- gerrymander game, you know, let’s, let’s do it, right? By the way, fun thing. I don’t know if you know this, but the actual thing that, [00:12:00] that triggered the reinvestigation of the gerry- the, the system and the court case that ended up causing the strike down of the Voter Rights Act was actually initiated by the Biden administration against Texas.

And then the Trump administration dropped it, but Texas said we’re not dropping this. We’re taking this to court.” Oh. And they ended up being the case that got it overturned. So it was actually a process- Oh, goodness ... initiated by Democrats trying to be even overly aggressive with the system they already had.

Simone Collins: Okay. Well... But Interesting

Malcolm Collins: What happens if we’ll go through each candidate. Let’s suppose the Democrats win this next cycle, and it’s somebody like AOC. I think she’s actually the most likely to win, if I’m gonna be honest. Mm-hmm. Like, I, I do not think Gavin Newsom would win. Would AOC believe that she needed to hold onto power if it looked like she lost to somebody she was really afraid of, [00:13:00] right?

The answer is yes, probably. Right? I can, I can totally see her doing something, or her supporters doing something to that effect. Okay, so she says, “I’m not leaving.” What would be her likely complaint? She would say that, like, either it was too much gerrymandering or there was something suspicious about the vote count or something like that, right?

So what do we have in place that could deal with this? First, you’ve gotta remember, DC is incredibly left wing. Are DC cops going to pull her out of the White House, right? No. You would basically need the United States military to attempt to do something. This means the United States military, somebody within the military would have to decide to act against the commander in chief.

Would they do this? And, and this is difficult because you’ve gotta keep in mind not everyone in the military is gonna go on board with this, right? Like, the moment one person does this even though, like, technically it would be AOC doing the coup, like, they’re doing a [00:14:00] coup. Like, they’re now starting a, a, a conflict of some sort.

They go to the White House, they attempt to arrest her. Okay, who’s defending her? Secret Service, right? Is Secret Service enough in the hands of the Democrats to go along with something like this? Yeah, I think they are at this point, if I’m gonna be honest. I still think that the right has enough influence within the military to prevent a Democrat from doing this successfully.

It, it, it would be tough, but probably. Okay, but let’s assume that a rightist did this. Let’s assume Trump does this this next cycle, for

Simone Collins: example. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: What happens there? I mean, the key would be for him and the relevant people in his administration to make sure that they’ve gotten out of DC before they attempt this. If they’re in DC, if he tries to just stay in the White House, that is incredibly stupid. Mm-hmm. What he should do is operate something like this with key administrative officials [00:15:00] out of something like one of the presidential whatever, retreats or something like this, that is in rural America where they are less likely to get significant pushback.

You would immediately have a number of leftist cities basically secede to some extent. The key to drawing them back in is basically not confronting them with armed conflict. You could essentially just starve them. If you just close off roads into any major city they would have to capitulate in a very short period of time, and it would be trivially easy to do.

Which is very different from rural sections of America. To, to pacify a rural section of America you really need to basically militarily occupy it. To pacify any American city you just need to block a few roads. Really very easy roads to block, too. And, and, and, and don’t even do it, like, aggressively.

Just be [00:16:00] like, “Look, we’re looking to negotiate, but for now we’ll be blocking things off.” And you really wanna lower their power, we’ll be managing an evacuation of the city, right? To, you know, i- i- for people who are dealing with power, food, everything like that. Because now you’re moving people away from, like, their source of ability to fight back in, in a situation like this.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And this is what really matters, not the control of the institutions but control of the military. Really whichever side the military backed when one of these happens, that would be the side that won. And keep in mind that they would win permanently. So, like, suppose that AOC or Trump did this.

If the military ends up backing the other side, the other side is not gonna go back to free elections. They’re going to say that, like, “We can’t do free elections anymore.”

Simone Collins: Yeah. Fair.

Malcolm Collins: So the, the moment the conflict comes to a head, basically the American Republic is over and we enter our imperial age. Which is why we named our first kid Octavian, right?

You know? Gotta, gotta handle that [00:17:00] transition. Maybe, maybe born a generation, we’ll see when this happens. But thoughts, Simone, before I go further.

Simone Collins: This generally makes sense, and I didn’t know that there were people who were actually thinking through the logistics of this, but huh. I mean, there, there are so many complications with interstate trade and supply routes and everything where I just feel like there are so many more levels of vulnerability too, like the power grid, that different parties in this conflict could leverage against each other that just didn’t exist at the time of the US Civil War, where functionally civil war just isn’t really possible in the United States in any sort of full-scale, you know, city w-

Malcolm Collins: I mean, the key is to do it in a way that doesn’t look like a civil war, right?

Which is, is

Simone Collins: not- So it would look like a, a, a chop chas? Like a sort of this, this [00:18:00] is their zone and we’re just gonna let them pretend that they have it and-

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, so you- ... let it go apart ... you like suppose you do this, you are Trump. A number of cities say, “We’re not going along with this.” Just you, you, you d- you do your best to not allow violence to break out, right?

You say- Yeah ... unless their side is initiating it we, if, if you are not part of America anymore, we are blockading the roads into these major urban centers. And we are managing an evacuation for the people who don’t wanna be part of your basically independent project, right? If you do that. And the other key is to work with companies on this, right?

To make it clear to the major companies that there will be some window upon which they can join this project. And if they do not join it within X potential window then they- [00:19:00] Some form of, of repercussion. Like they’re, they’re, they’re taxed in a different way or their assets are withheld or something like that, right?

Like, basically you just put financial pressure on companies to go along with this. ‘Cause a lot of companies are gonna want to reflexively, you know, d- do their, their sort of signal on this. But the moment you put, like, international pressure on something like this, the big companies are just gonna go along with this, and that really hurts the city’s ability to, to, to go along with this themselves.

So first you do something small, where, like, companies basically just need to signal to you and signal to the world, “Oh, yeah, I’m moving ahead with this new accounting system,” or whatever, right? Mm-hmm. And then you go into the second phase, which is to say, if they pay taxes to any of the parts of America that are still in open rebellion they are then put...

So they’ve already done the costly signaling of being like, “I’m okay with this,” and then you start to starve the cities that are left of taxes.

Simone Collins: Yeah, that makes sense.

Malcolm Collins: Now how would the leftists do it [00:20:00] is it’s way harder, because they need to power project from cities outwards, which is just incredibly difficult to do.

Simone Collins: What if they just did, what if, like, California seceded? You know? That would be more feasible. California has ports. They have more of an independent electricity grid.

They are a very economically productive, still, state.

Malcolm Collins: So ports are incredibly easy to blockade, first of all. Like a civilian port, like San Francisco Port or something like that.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And it, with California, you really only need to block like two ports. Oh ... if, if you block the port in San Francisco and LA, like you, you, they’re cooked.

They can import goods through other ports, but if you then block the main arteries into those two areas, and there are not that many into, like San Francisco, for example, you’re literally blocking like four roads.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Most of [00:21:00] California is red. Remember that. Like literally-

Simone Collins: That

Malcolm Collins: is a fair point ... m- it’s just a few, and you say, “Okay, you know, you, you secede, but like, don’t use our infrastructure.”

Simone Collins: Oh, you mean even the fact that we defend the seas or something?

Malcolm Collins: Well, no. We built, America built your port infrastructure. You are not allowed to use it.

Simone Collins: Oh. Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: That is wh- that would be my justification for blockading the sea routes.

Simone Collins: That’s fair enough.

Malcolm Collins: But yeah. That- that’s what a, that’s- that is what an American Civil War is going to look like, the next American Civil War.

It’s not gonna be fought by random guerrillas. It’s, it’s, it’s going to be fought by how do you control supply lines into things like cities, and how long are people going to throw a fit about this?

Simone Collins: In other words, it’s, it’s defined by institutions siding with one aggrieved party af- following a f- a [00:22:00] presidential election that was very contentious, and refusing to contribute taxes or enforce laws to the extent that it’s a, it’s a functional civil war.

But to what end? I just don’t... I can’t... In, in the c- with the way that our states run and the way our government runs, I cannot understand why even a very large group of people who believe that an election was a fraud would successfully rebel or attempt to rebel with any expectation of eventual success.

I mean, what does eventual success look like? They just think-

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, so we’ve seen this. There was both... So a lot of people aren’t aware, but there was a protest that was about as big as the January 6th protest that the leftists held just,

like, a month and a half before where the president had to be taken to a secret bunker, and they tried to light the White House on fire, and it was-

Simone Collins: Well, I don’t remember this at all.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, because the left didn’t report on it. They didn’t wanna report on it. They didn’t want people to know about it. But yeah, it [00:23:00] was huge. If you find photos of it, like, there’s giant, like, bonfires around the White House and stuff like, right in front of the gates and stuff. It was, it was obviously an extremely dangerous scenario.

The core difference is that the CIA wasn’t there to open the gates for people. You know, but the point being is the other question you have around any sort of a protest like this is the people who are resisting this, right, like, especially if they’re violently resisting

This, would the military or any sort of military forces that you have be comfortable shooting on a crowd of civilians?

That, that often determines, like, if things go ahead. And one of the things that we’ve repeatedly seen recently in rebellions and stuff like this, we saw this in Turkey, for example is that if your military is drawn from rural or r- like, conservative regions and the [00:24:00] protesters are incredibly far lefties, like, they’re going out like the anti-ICE protesters, looking like actually dangerous militant- Psychopaths.

Okay. Which they often look like. I mean, we’ve seen the people who are protesting ICE. Like, they’re like-

Simone Collins: The hoods, the... Yeah

Malcolm Collins: The hoods. They, they look like a group that has othered themselves from the concept of civilians enough that I do not think that they would actually care to shoot at a crowd. Which is unfort- I mean, it’s leftists trying to feel cool and everything like that, but like, it’s also important when you do protest something like this, like suppose it’s the leftists who have power when this is happening, that you don’t go out there in outfits that other you.

Go out there looking like normal civilians. Yeah. That is how you prevent the, that is how you get the military on your side again, right? Going out there and harassing the military by throwing bricks at them in a hood and hitting them was like, that’s how you get them to feel like fighting back is on their side.

I think the lefts have really [00:25:00] hurt themselves. So the final part of this video I wanted to address any thoughts before we go further?

Simone Collins: No, but I agree with you on that. Seems poorly thought through, but I know they’re not exactly thinking from that perspective.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. This guy’s not wanting to have kids, and leftists not wanting to have kids more broadly.

So I’ll play the clip here.

Speaker 2: Earlier this year, I got a vasectomy. When people ask me why I got snipped, I generally kinda gesture vaguely to fascism and climate change, and people go, “Oh, yeah, totally understandable.”

But the truth is that whenever my friends and family members get pregnant, and I’m in my early 30s, so that’s happening a lot these days, I get a horrible weight in the pit of my stomach. Oftentimes, I’m genuinely happy for them, you know? Sometimes I can even look them in the eye and say, “You’ll be a really great father,” and mean it.

But there’s another part of me that can’t shake the idea that in nine months, another American will come into the [00:26:00] world, , another ravening cannibal who will spend the next better part of a century burning fossil fuels, housing cheeseburgers, and ignoring homeless people at traffic lights.

And you can say, you know, “Oh, well. Well, I’ll, I’ll bring up my kid to share my values, and they won’t do those things.” Um, and I can respect that, but that’s a hell of a gamble, right? I mean, you know, you could take your kid to school every day on your bike, but if every other parent has an SUV, eventually your kid’s gonna get curious and want to drive a car, right?

And then, and then what are you gonna do, you know, forbid them? I mean, they’re just gonna do it anyway. What if my pride and joy grows up to be somebody else’s abuser but the real kicker is that even if my child has a great life even if they cause no harm to others they will still suffer they will still die it is unavoidable right i will be [00:27:00] inflicting this fate upon them without their knowledge or consent to me the creation of human life is very obviously an incredibly selfish thing to do under most circumstances

Malcolm Collins: And what you really see from this is he’s afraid above all else that his kids may have different political beliefs than him. And he’s like, “No matter how much I try to brainwash them, they might not be vegans.” You know, because he calls all non-vegans cannibals, right?

Which, yeah, of course, right? Like, why wouldn’t he? And what’s interesting is the lack of... And I noticed this with leftists. One of the really interesting things I think on the right that we repeatedly see is even when we have, like, radical beliefs there is a lot of intellectual effort and this is something you see on our channel and stuff like that, establishing why we have the core beliefs we have that [00:28:00] inform our downstream beliefs, right?

Like, why do we have the beliefs we have about the environment, right? Like, clearly he thinks the environment is like an existential and immediate threat, yet he never goes into why. Like, he doesn’t actually investigate this, which I’d be very interested to know. I’m like, “Okay, I’ve dug into the data on this, and it just doesn’t seem to be.”

So, like, what’s the counter to this, right? Other than just, like, I’ve been told. So yeah, there’s that element. The other is, so, like, it’s, it’s, it’s sort of that there isn’t an intellectual backbone To, to what they’re pushing here, right? It’s just like, I’ve been told that this is a trendy thing. Like, why do you hate white people, right? Like, this guy clearly thinks it’s cool to hate white people and stuff like this, kill white children, all that.

W- why does he feel that this... And obviously it is protected for him. His, his videos are still doing well. He has half a million subscribers, you know. He is a popular YouTuber, right?

Simone Collins: Oh, [00:29:00] absolutely.

Malcolm Collins: So this, this type of content, I’d actually say his videos aren’t even that bad. Like, when I was watching them, they really remind me of ContraPoints, where...

And I notice this, we actually had a leftist, like, trans news team come here recently that we were, like, interviewing, right? And it really became clear to me that, like, we were not able to successfully communicate with them. We had perfectly amiable conversations, and they understood. And I was like, “I can’t communicate with you because effectively because everything they saw, they saw in terms of narratives.”

Everything had to have some sort of, like... And this is the way he sees things. This is the way Philosophy Tube sees things. This is the way I see a lot of ContraPoints videos see things. The world is a series of narratives, and what is true is what is narratively true. So, what I mean by this is if we are doing something like having lots of kids, it must be because of either a kink or because of something that happened in our [00:30:00] childhood.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And I’m like, “No, we’re doing it because of the data. Do you wanna look at the data?” Right? Like, you can do something for a reason other than a kink, but, like, this is just incongruent with, because their entire world, self, and person is structured around what gives them pleasure.

Simone Collins: You think that’s why?

Malcolm Collins: Oh, yeah. Remember I said that, like, clearly pleasure is not, like, the core purpose in life, right? Remember you were like, “Well, that, you know, that’s for you,” right? You know, to this individual, pleasure was the core purpose in life. Mm-hmm. And so when they look at why people are acting in a way that seems odd to them, like why are we having a lot of kids, it must be because it’s arousing to us, right?

It must be some sort of kink scenario. Which I find very interesting for a couple reasons. One is, like, in case you’re wondering [00:31:00] and, and to, to we have argued before that the only thing that isn’t a kink is having kids, right? Like, being turned on by getting somebody pregnant or being impregnated, like, that’s literally what the whole system is in place for.

Simone Collins: Yeah ...

Malcolm Collins: you know, the fact that you, that you would call that a kink is bizarre, right? Like, you think- You think using another human as like an Oni hole is the non-kink and doing sex for the reason sex exists is the kink? It’s the

Simone Collins: only one normal version of it ...

Malcolm Collins: Yes. But this scenario in terms of like erotic scenarios, the idea of impregnation a breeding kink you could say is, is something that I personally do find arousing, right?

Like it’s in my panoply of like random things that arouse me. The idea of this in terms of my life, wife, and kids, absolutely not is it arousing. Like it, it, it just ... [00:32:00] I was trying to explain this to them. I’m like, “Do you understand like having a kid is a giant logistical process that takes months?”

It’s not like a sexual fantasy, right?

Simone Collins: Like- Yeah. Pe- people who have this sort of fetish aren’t having children. There are people who act it out, absolutely. There are people who will even go on these like Facebook groups for sperm donors and actively seek out women who are willing to have sex with them in order to get pregnant and they will fly all around the world and have thousands of kids.

They would count. But like yeah, that you would create a whole new life and be responsible for them and raise them for like f- a couple minutes of your fetish, your arousal pathway?

Malcolm Collins: Well, what it is, but it’s not even an effective mechanism for, ... Okay, I’ll word this a different way for people. Mm-hmm. If anyone here is, is listening has a, a b- a, a, a submission or [00:33:00] dominance arousal pattern, right?

Like you get turned on by role playing a very dominant person or you get turned on by role playing a very submissive person, right? Do you get turned on when you’re a like wage slave if you’re turned on by being submissive? Probably effing not. Do you get turned on by being a boss or managing a team if you’re turned on by being dominant?

Probably not, right? It’s just there’s too much other stuff going on in those sorts of roles to actually activate those pathways.

Simone Collins: Yes.

Malcolm Collins: But I actually think that’s a really good explanation for this, right? Like, but it is w- one, I mean it, it, it’s sad to see that that level of sort of degenerate framing of reality by these individuals but the thing to remember with any sort of civil war with the left and everything like that is we really only need to wait them out at this point.

Their fertility rates are [00:34:00] so low. They are sterilizing themselves. Like literally- There’s these people out there right now who hate you, they want you dead, they want everything you stand for destroyed, and you could be like, “Oh my God,” like, “We need to get out all the guns. We need to round these people up.

We need to sterilize them.” And it’s like, oh no, you don’t need to do that. And they’re like, “Well, why?” It’s like they literally have vasectomy vans go to like the DNC and offer free vasectomies at this point. It’s not even a right-wing conspiracy. This is them doing this. They’re handling

Simone Collins: it. They’re handling it.

But for the same reason, that’s why I find it so shocking the idea that there would be any form of civil war because I just don’t think that ultimately the left has the ability to take that level of organized initiative. The left is about degrowth, it’s about antinatalism, it’s about stepping back, relinquishing- But they have-

turning back, stopping, stagnating. It’s not about organizing and building, and you need to organize and build in order to lead a civil war.

Malcolm Collins: But [00:35:00] they have tons of institutions under their control.

Simone Collins: I get that, but those institutions are highly dependent on other factors in order to work, and being parasitical in nature culturally, they’ve already weakened those institutions.

True. True. So they just won’t work, especially when isolated and rebellious. They’re not sufficient rebellious entities.

Malcolm Collins: And this is why I think America should conquer Europe.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I feel like- It’s there to be taken. Yeah. We’re, we’re thinking too small- We need to do this ... with, with Greenland. You gotta think bigger.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Greenland? Come on. You’re thinking so small, Trump.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm. There’s more out there, some, some nice ones to pick off.

Malcolm Collins: If we went out and we conquered Greenland, they would do nothing. Oh, we should do a video on whether NATO’s a bad idea.

Simone Collins: That would be fun to do. Yeah, I like that.

Malcolm Collins: All right. I love you to death.

Yes, I love you. You’re amazing

Simone Collins: what a day. What a day.

Malcolm Collins: Film, film, [00:36:00] film. Got crews over all day today.

Simone Collins: And yesterday.

Malcolm Collins: Such a, a fun life actually, in a way, because it feels like we’re celebrities, but like, without, like, having to be film stars or something. Like, the news is, like, r- regularly interested in, like, what are, what are they doing today?

Oh,

Simone Collins: but like, we don’t have to memorize lines or something?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. We don’t have to... I mean, I wouldn’t wanna be a celebrity in the way that celebrities used to exist. I wouldn’t wanna be a celebrity in the way that Kardashians are celebrities or the way that Ozzy Osbourne is a celebrity, where, like, it’s interesting because we’re like celebrities, but people care about our political views.

Like, the antithesis- Oh ... of, you know, the historic celebrity where it’s like, “Well, they’re

Simone Collins: not-” Oh, where like, okay, yeah, you would hate if they cared about what you wore or something, or who you were dating, and y- you like what they actually care about your substance. They care what they think

Malcolm Collins: about

Simone Collins: X.

Malcolm Collins: I get it.

Yeah. But with us, it’s like, why would anybody? Well, they are, they are, Which is interesting, ‘cause y- you know, there’s not I mean, I don’t think there’s any political provocateur that gets as much just, like, raw news [00:37:00] coverage as we get. Not even close. Like, if there’s some that are more famous than us, like Munches Bulbog or Scott Alexander or something like that, but they’re, they’re much more private than us too.

Simone Collins: Nick Fuentes, come on. He gets tons of views.

Malcolm Collins: Ah, Nick Fuentes does get more news coverage than us, and is a provocateur, so I will give you that.

Simone Collins: Yeah, well.

Thank you. Thank you. I try. Okay,

Malcolm Collins: so- who else? Yeah, but I m- I mean, it’s, it’s interesting. It’s interesting to play this, this, this game with the dying press era.

But

Simone Collins: yeah. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And you saw me in a music video today, which made me happy. It had like 11 views, but still, you know, we’re getting in some of the you know, the wider universe of whatever it’s called. Sky Browse, Sky Browse videos.

Simone Collins: Cinematic

Malcolm Collins: universe. All right, well I’ll see

Simone Collins: you later. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, what are we doing for dinner?

Reheating?

Simone Collins: I’m going to be working it out. I might do some... I was thinking about doing a mixture of some roasted Brussels sprouts [00:38:00] with butter and some, like, kosher salt dusting on the top, and then also some meat over some maybe, like, fried rice or something. Like, a just kind of a mismatch of- No,

Malcolm Collins: I mean, did we freeze yesterday’s dinner?

Simone Collins: We haven’t phrased, frozen yesterday’s. But I’m not gonna just serve leftovers, like-

Malcolm Collins: To guests, yeah, you’re right, you’re right, you’re right ...

Simone Collins: yeah, so we need to do something new and cool. And so I might take out some of our, our batch-prepped cool s- cool dishes, and zhuzh them up.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, whatever you want. Rendang is something Steve would, Mika would probably like.

Simone Collins: That would require a new, like, coinage of, of meat, which I do not have.

Malcolm Collins: No, I mean, if we have one frozen.

Simone Collins: Oh, we, we might actually. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ren- rendang over rice with roasted Brussels sprouts as a side.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: Okay. I’ll, I’ll check with them. I’ll, I’ll give them some options after seeing what I’ve, I’ve batch prepped and then- All right

we’ll go forward from [00:39:00] there.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, so anyway the, the obvious, like what I would think initially is how inexpensive can I get them at scale, right? Yeah. But the reality is is that the inexpensive path is either you’re just retrofitting existing drones, which we’re already seeing people do pretty competently- Absolutely

in, in environments like you know, Iran was doing this pretty well, was just like the lobbed systems. You know, you’re getting this out of Russia. So then the question would be- Yeah ... if I was gonna build something, how would w- I make it meaningfully differentiated from the other systems that are out there right now?

And the way I would make it meaningfully different is twofold. First, one of the big problems you have with the drone systems out there right now is they’ve gotten pretty good at the ones that are designed at taking out tanks, right? To the point where it doesn’t even make sense to field tanks in the way that you traditionally would have been fealing- fielding tanks in a war.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And so that means you [00:40:00] have much more personnel movement and much more individual drone movement. So like small things where like just lobbing an explosive isn’t necessarily as useful. Now the idea of like the gun drone, these do exist, right? But the core problem with them is kickback, right?

You, you have a, a flying thing, you’re shooting. Minor

Simone Collins: difficulty, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Right, minor difficulty. And two, all of the systems that are made to prevent the sort of lobbed drones, the explosive drones, are also good at these, right? So if you’re in Ukraine and you’re trying to like find a path through the Russians, basically you’re trying to find like invisible corridors that don’t have drone blocking setups around them that sort of block where the drones are going, right?

Oh,

Simone Collins: yes.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Yeah. So you’ve got two problems, right? One is good kickback, the second is the drone defense that blocks radio signals. So how can you get around both of these problems?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Right? Okay, so [00:41:00] problem number one is what if you had a drone that was actually, while it could fly, its predominant strategy in terms of, like, the way it moves and does its thing is landing and locking into ground for something like a more sniper rifle type approach.

Where it’s, it’s got a, a, a, a, a weapon on it that isn’t designed to fire-

Simone Collins: It’s a mobile firing turret ...

Malcolm Collins: a mobile firing turret. But then secondly, that it had a a wheel-based system as well. So it would be really designed to camouflage itself. Like, the idea is, is it gets itself in position and it can stay there for a long time, basically completely quiet to an enemy so they can reposition their...

So, like, suppose you’re losing ground in a territory or something like that you could just leave these out. The enemy moves their anti-air defense to the other side of [00:42:00] them. Mm. And you can reactivate them, and the- Yeah, you can...

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Mm-hmm ... and the important thing about the wheel system on them as well is the wheel system plus an AI navigation system would be really good for when they’re blocked.

It basically allows them to drive through blocked territory until it gets to a space where you can reestablish radio connection, and then fly it into a place where you would want to fly it into to lock it into place.

Simone Collins: A Wall-E that shoots and flies.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So the idea is, is it’s, it’s a rethinking of the way that a drone would work in a military context.

Mm-hmm. Outside of these very simplistic ones to basically one that’s built around camouflage, sniping, and moving through AI drone detection systems. And the idea is, is that if you could get it good enough at long distance aim, which I think you could with an automated system pretty well given what, like, what we have with, with things, you wouldn’t need to worry as much about counter drone systems [00:43:00] because it would be very difficult to detect is the idea.

But we’ll see. And one, one of the challenges of it would be uneven terrain. So you’d probably need some sort of, like... But if you do tank treads, then it’s gonna be too heavy. Yeah. Hmm. You could probably do some form of, like, a hovercraft utilizing the same fans that are used to fly it to pump air out the bottom.

Simone Collins: I don’t know. I would look at kids’ toys really as a base because they’re meant-

Malcolm Collins: Well, that’s why I was thinking hovercrafts, because I had some hovercraft toys as a kid. Yeah. And they’re really not that hard to create. You just need to create a suction padding at the bottom with like a styrofoam, which can be very lightweight and inexpensive.

And then you blow

Simone Collins: air- But can hovercraft travel on uneven terrain?

Malcolm Collins: What?

Simone Collins: Can hovercraft travel on uneven

Malcolm Collins: terrain? Yeah, very rough terrain. Oh. I mean, that’s the point of hovercrafts often.

Simone Collins: I’m not fa- I’m really [00:44:00] not familiar with hovercrafts.

Malcolm Collins: So basically you’re just making it fly, but at very low altitude.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And with less power. That’s

Simone Collins: the ... Yeah, interesting.

Malcolm Collins: Obviously the challenge then is, is, is repowering it. How do you handle that? I need to think through. Anyway, fun, fun concept here.

Speaker 4: Whoa. Whoa.

Wow. I got this dinosaur. What would you

Speaker 6: like for dinner, Titan?

Speaker 4: Well, I want macaroni and cheese and then pizza.

Speaker 6: We don’t have any big pizza, but we can make macaroni and cheese.

Speaker 4: But we can spill on floor. Stop it. No, we cannot.

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