Environmental protection is ultimately going to trump trade, according to our Podcast guest this week - the IMO’s head of air pollution and energy efficiency, Edmund Hughes. Speaking to Lloyd’s List Editor Richard Meade and reporter Anastassios Adamopoulos in this week’s edition he talks us through his confidence around 2020 implementation, the lessons learned there about what happens next in the decarbonisation debate, and the role of the IMO amid rapidly changing political dynamics that it has limited agency in controlling.