The Lumber Word

By Ashley Boeckholt

Three Lumber Industry veterans talk about the weekly, monthly and yearly trends. What is going on with inventory in the field, production and distribution. We help educate everyone in the distribution... more

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June 25, 2026EP 173: The Lumber Market Just Changed—and Most People Haven't Noticed
Episode Summary
Episode #173 welcomes returning guest Mike Wisnefski of Westline Capital for an in-depth discussion on the evolving lumber market. The panel explores lessons from the Southern Pine Conference, why the CME Southern Pine futures contract could benefit from monthly expirations, and how better participation could improve liquidity. Mike shares how private equity ownership is changing sawmill decision-making, while the group examines why Western and Eastern lumber markets have tightened despite mixed economic headlines. The conversation also dives into inventory strategy, options pricing, reload capacity, trucking, and the growing importance of disciplined risk management. Finally, the hosts debate housing policy, builder demand, infrastructure, and why regional economics continue to drive long-term lumber consumption. This episode offers practical insights for wholesalers, retailers, mills, traders, and anyone following the North American lumber industry.
Timeline
00:00 – Introductions, Chicago sports, and welcome back to Mike Wisnefski.
02:00 – Southern Pine Conference recap—networking, collaboration, and supply chain partnerships.
04:00 – Private equity ownership of sawmills and changing mill economics.
05:30 – Future of the CME Southern Pine futures contract and ideas for improving liquidity.
10:00 – Cash settlement, delivery points, and regional pricing challenges.
15:00 – Western lumber market strength, improving order files, and species updates.
18:00 – Dimension shortages, 2x10 pricing, and shifting production patterns.
20:00 – Eastern market tightness, European imports, and shrinking inventories.
25:00 – Housing legislation, permitting challenges, and rebuilding constraints.
31:30 – Regional migration, affordability, and long-term housing demand.
34:00 – Inventory strategy, reload economics, and why distributors are regaining value.
40:00 – Options pricing, risk management, and disciplined trading strategies.
44:00 – Closing thoughts on market structure, hedging opportunities, and the second-half outlook.
Guest: Mike Wisnefski from Westline Capital Strategies Inc.
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Tiranth Amarasinghe
Product Marketing Manager
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Show Contacts:
Gregg Riley: [email protected]
Charles DeLaTorre: [email protected]
Matt Beymer: [email protected]
Ashley Boeckholt: [email protected]
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54min
June 18, 2026 EP 172: Lumber Market Rally: Inventory Panic, Freight Crunch & Why Prices Could Keep Climbing
Matt Layman returns to The Lumber Word for an in-depth discussion on one of the hottest topics in the lumber industry: the summer lumber rally. With inventories running lean, freight markets tightening, and mills extending order files, the crew explores whether lumber prices still have room to run.

The conversation begins with a recap of the Southern Pine hedging seminar hosted by StoneX and Westline Capital, where attendees discussed the future of lumber risk management, liquidity challenges, and why more companies need to gain hands-on experience using futures markets.

The group then shifts to the cash lumber market, breaking down strength in SPF, Southern Yellow Pine, Hem-Fir, and Douglas Fir. Matt shares what he's seeing in the Pacific Northwest, while Gregg and Ashley discuss supply constraints, delayed shipments, trucking shortages, and why buying lumber is becoming harder than selling it.

They also analyze the latest housing starts data, debate whether demand is stronger than many expect, and discuss how lean inventories throughout the supply chain continue to support higher prices despite widespread economic pessimism.

Plus: freight disruptions, rail delays, inventory management, futures trading lessons, Elon Musk, SpaceX, and Ashley's outlook for where lumber prices may be headed through July and beyond.

If you're a lumber dealer, wholesaler, manufacturer, builder, trader, or investor looking to stay ahead of the market, this episode is packed with actionable insights.

Topics Covered
Lumber Market Outlook
SPF Lumber Prices
Southern Yellow Pine (SYP)
Hem-Fir & Douglas Fir Markets
Lumber Futures & Hedging
Freight & Trucking Costs
Rail Service Challenges
Housing Starts Analysis
Inventory Management
Lumber Industry Economics
SpaceX & Market Psychology
Summer 2026 Lumber Rally
Timeline
00:00 – Matt Layman Returns to The Lumber Word
03:00 – Southern Pine Futures, Hedging & Market Participation
07:00 – Risk Management: How Lumber Companies Should Think About Futures
15:00 – Trading Lessons: Winning, Losing & Market Discipline
16:00 – SPF, Hem-Fir & Douglas Fir Break Higher
21:00 – Is Southern Yellow Pine Finally Joining the Rally?
27:00 – Housing Starts: What the Headlines Missed
30:00 – Elon Musk, SpaceX & Economic Optimism
34:00 – Ashley's Bullish Case for Lumber
38:00 – Freight Bottlenecks, Rail Delays & Inventory Shortages
44:00+ – Why Buying Lumber Is Harder Than Selling It
Episode Takeaway

The lumber market continues to be driven by one simple reality: inventories remain too low while supply struggles to keep up. Despite negative sentiment around housing and the economy, buyers continue to chase wood, mills are extending order files, and freight remains a major constraint. The panel agrees that the path of least resistance for lumber prices remains higher until inventories are rebuilt and supply catches up.

Guest: Matt Layman
www.laymansguide.com
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Advertiser
Fastmarkets RISI
Tiranth Amarasinghe
Product Marketing Manager
[email protected]
www.fastmarkets.com
Show Contacts:
Gregg Riley: [email protected]
Charles DeLaTorre: [email protected]
Matt Beymer: [email protected]
Ashley Boeckholt: [email protected]

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56min
June 11, 2026 EP 171: The Bull Market Nobody Believes In (Yet)
The lumber market may be sending its clearest signal of 2026: supply is shrinking, inventories are lean, and futures are leading the charge higher. In Episode 171, the crew welcomes industry veteran Kip Fotheringham for a deep dive into the forces reshaping North American lumber markets.

From tightening SPF supply and Southern Yellow Pine transportation challenges to Canadian curtailments, futures fund short covering, and the surprising resilience of housing demand, the group lays out the bullish case that's beginning to unfold. They debate whether we're in the first inning or the third inning of a larger rally, examine why major funds are potentially abandoning short positions, and discuss how shrinking production capacity could collide with steady demand to create a much tighter market through the summer.

The conversation also explores Berkshire Hathaway's investment in homebuilding, multifamily construction strength, pulp mill closures, fiber supply challenges, and the Longview explosion's potential impact on Western sawmill production. If you're a lumber buyer, trader, mill operator, or builder, this episode offers a roadmap to the risks—and opportunities—developing beneath the surface of today's market.

Timeline
00:00 – Lumber, Airports & Industry Reach
Portland Airport gets a surprising shoutout, and the crew shares a story highlighting how The Lumber Word continues to influence industry conversations.
03:30 – Are We Early in a Bull Market?
The panel debates whether the lumber rally is just getting started and what buyers should be doing right now.
07:00 – Transportation Becomes the Story
Escalating trucking costs and regional supply constraints are changing how lumber moves across North America.
09:00 – Canada's Supply Problem Gets Real
Discussion on curtailments, mill economics, and why North American production continues to shrink.
15:00 – Why This Summer Feels Different
The crew explains why inventory positions, contract reductions, and tariff pressures have created an unusual setup.
22:00 – The Longview Explosion & Fiber Fallout
A major disruption in the Pacific Northwest raises new questions about residual markets and future sawmill production.
25:00 – Smart Money is Buying Housing
Berkshire Hathaway, Japanese investors, and multifamily construction all point toward longer-term confidence in housing demand.
30:00 – Funds Are Covering Shorts
Kip breaks down what the futures market is signaling and why short-covering could fuel a larger move higher.
35:00 – What Could Derail the Rally?
The group examines the biggest risks to their bullish outlook and what buyers should watch over the next 30 days.
44:00 – Final Take: Bullish Until Proven Otherwise
The episode wraps with a discussion on shrinking supply, steady demand, and why the market's biggest surprise may still be ahead.
Guest: Kip Fotheringham
Lumber Trader and Market Expert
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Advertiser
Fastmarkets RISI
Tiranth Amarasinghe
Product Marketing Manager
[email protected]
www.fastmarkets.com
Show Contacts:
Gregg Riley: [email protected]
Charles DeLaTorre: [email protected]
Matt Beymer: [email protected]
Ashley Boeckholt: [email protected]
...more
46min
June 05, 2026 EP 170: Freight Is Eating the Lumber Market
This week on The Lumber Word, the crew tackles the biggest issue in lumber today: freight. From Buffalo reloads buried under railcars to Southern Pine mills struggling with transportation costs, the conversation centers on how logistics—not mill prices—are driving the market. The team discusses tightening inventories, shrinking North American supply, species substitution, and why prompt wood may be worth more than ever. Gregg doubles down on his bullish lumber outlook, while the group debates whether SPF is significantly undervalued heading into the second half of 2026. If freight remains tight and supply stays constrained, the market could be setting up for a stronger move than many expect.
Timeline
0:00 – Back From the Road – Travel stories, reload visits, and market observations.
2:00 – Buffalo Is Jammed – Railcars are arriving fast and unloading slowly.
5:00 – Chicago Reload Expansion – New capacity could become a major advantage.
7:00 – Freight Is the Story – Higher trucking costs are changing lumber economics.
11:00 – Pine Mills Hit the Brakes – Transportation issues may be limiting production.
15:00 – Contract Pricing Gets Tested – Suppliers are absorbing freight pain.
18:00 – Rail vs. Truck – Why transportation knowledge is becoming a competitive edge.
23:00 – Greg's Bull Case – Less supply, steady demand, and higher prices ahead.
29:00 – Prompt Wood Wins – Inventory ready to ship is commanding a premium.
32:00 – Lean Pipelines Everywhere – Buyers may be more undercovered than they realize.
35:00 – Second Half Setup – The crew sees more reasons for lumber to rise than fall.
Advertiser
Fastmarkets RISI
Tiranth Amarasinghe
Product Marketing Manager
[email protected]
www.fastmarkets.com
Show Contacts:
Gregg Riley: [email protected]
Charles DeLaTorre: [email protected]
Matt Beymer: [email protected]
Ashley Boeckholt: [email protected]
...more
57min
May 21, 2026 EP 169: Commando Lumber Trading: Tight Wood, No Trucks, No Hedge
The crew breaks down a lumber market that feels calm on the surface but is getting tighter underneath. Trucking is a disaster, inventories stay lean, mills are not panicking, and buyers still have not adjusted.
0:00-4:00 - College kids, Waymos, and bad decisions after midnight
4:00-9:00 - SYP stabilizes but trucking wrecks pricing
9:00-15:00 - Freight market insanity and disappearing trucks
15:00-22:00 - Spruce stays steady while inventories thin out
22:00-28:00 - Canadian curtailments and supply fears build
28:00-34:00 - Reloads emptying and buyers still underbought
34:00-39:00 - Futures, no hedge, and bullish summer bets
Advertiser
Fastmarkets RISI
Tiranth Amarasinghe
Product Marketing Manager
[email protected]
www.fastmarkets.com
Show Contacts:
Gregg Riley: [email protected]
Charles DeLaTorre: [email protected]
Matt Beymer: [email protected]
Ashley Boeckholt: [email protected]
...more
54min
May 14, 2026EP 168: Is Lumber Coiling for a Summer Breakout?
This week on The Lumber Word, Matt, Gregg, Ashley, and guest Mike Wisnefski from Westline Capital Strategies break down one of the most interesting lumber markets in years. The crew discusses low volatility, lean inventories, seasonal strength, futures market psychology, pine versus spruce pricing, multifamily demand, and why the next major lumber move could happen fast. The episode also explores European lumber markets, supply chain transparency, and current housing market realities.
Timeline
0:00 – Intro & Mike Wisnefski joins
1:45 – Market feels split
4:10 – Western lumber floor
7:30 – Seasonal market trends
12:00 – Curtailments & duties
15:20 – Futures pessimism
17:30 – Housing & multifamily
22:45 – Volatility discussion
27:00 – Inventory strategy
29:00 – Pine vs spruce
35:30 – Europe market insights
39:30 – Quarterly pricing
42:00 – Final market outlook
Guest: Mike Wisnefski from Westline Capital Strategies Inc.
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SYP June 2026 SYP StoneX Southern Yellow Pine Lumber Risk Academy
June 9, 2026-June 10, 2026
Information and Registration for the SYP Hedging Academy
https://stonex.cventevents.com/event/SYPLRA2026/summary
Advertiser
Fastmarkets RISI
Tiranth Amarasinghe
Product Marketing Manager
[email protected]
www.fastmarkets.com
Show Contacts:
Gregg Riley: [email protected]
Charles DeLaTorre: [email protected]
Matt Beymer: [email protected]
Ashley Boeckholt: [email protected]
...more
1h 9min
May 07, 2026 EP 167: Is Lumber Quietly Setting Up for Another Bull Run?
This week on The Lumber Word, Ashley, Gregg, Matt, and Charles break down one of the more confusing lumber markets in recent memory. Despite fears coming out of Montréal, buyers haven’t really changed behavior, trucking is slowly improving, and distributors are still moving wood. The crew dives deep into the widening divide between Southern Pine and Western species, shrinking production, freight chaos, inventory strategy, and whether the market is quietly building the foundation for higher prices later this summer. The big question: are we in equilibrium… or on the verge of another squeeze?
Timeline
0:00 – 3:00 — Market recap after Montréal, trucking loosens up, buyers still active
3:00 – 6:00 — Southern Pine weakness vs strong 2x6 demand across Western species
6:00 – 10:00 — Inventory turns, mills running less 2x4, and distributors staying busy
10:00 – 15:00 — Housing data surprises to the upside and Gregg explains why he’s leaning bullish
15:00 – 20:00 — Canadian market softness vs tight U.S. Western supply
20:00 – 27:00 — Risk management, shrinking spreads, and why nobody wants to speculate
27:00 – 33:00 — Freight volatility and the challenge of quoting future delivered business
33:00 – 40:00 — Pine finding a bottom, species spreads, and what could trigger the next move higher
Advertiser
Fastmarkets RISI
Dustin Jalbert
Senior Economist Wood Products
[email protected]
www.fastmarkets.com
Show Contacts:
Gregg Riley: [email protected]
Charles DeLaTorre: [email protected]
Matt Beymer: [email protected]
Ashley Boeckholt: [email protected]

ne of the more confusing lumber markets in recent memory. Despite fears coming out of Montréal, buyers haven’t really changed behavior, trucking is slowly improving, and distributors are still moving wood. The crew dives deep into the widening divide between Southern Pine and Western species, shrinking production, freight chaos, inventory strategy, and whether the market is quietly building the foundation for higher prices later this summer. The big question: are we in equilibrium… or on the verge of another squeeze?
Timeline
0:00 – 3:00 — Market recap after Montréal, trucking loosens up, buyers still active
3:00 – 6:00 — Southern Pine weakness vs strong 2x6 demand across Western species
6:00 – 10:00 — Inventory turns, mills running less 2x4, and distributors staying busy
10:00 – 15:00 — Housing data surprises to the upside and Gregg explains why he’s leaning bullish
15:00 – 20:00 — Canadian market softness vs tight U.S. Western supply
20:00 – 27:00 — Risk management, shrinking spreads, and why nobody wants to speculate
27:00 – 33:00 — Freight volatility and the challenge of quoting future delivered business
33:00 – 40:00 — Pine finding a bottom, species spreads, and what could trigger the next move higher
Advertiser
Fastmarkets RISI
Dustin Jalbert
Senior Economist Wood Products
[email protected]
www.fastmarkets.com
Show Contacts:
Gregg Riley: [email protected]
Charles DeLaTorre: [email protected]
Matt Beymer: [email protected]
Ashley Boeckholt: [email protected]

...more
57min
April 30, 2026 EP 166: Is Freight the Real Lumber Market Right Now?
This week’s episode breaks down a confusing lumber market where price prints don’t reflect reality. Southern Pine appears to be selling off, but much of the move is driven by rising and volatile freight costs rather than true demand weakness. Inventory remains tight in many regions, while buyers hesitate due to bearish sentiment and futures discounts. Meanwhile, multifamily construction continues to support demand, even as overall housing trends flatten. The result is a fragmented, regional “island market” where logistics—not supply—are dictating price.
Timeline (Condensed)
0:00 – Market Setup: Weak tone on paper, post-Montreal reset
2:00 – Pine Selloff = Freight Story: Prices down, driven by trucking costs
5:00 – Cash vs Futures Disconnect: Strong Western pricing vs discounted board
10:00 – Supply Constraints: Euro down, Canada tight, limited new supply
15:00 – Housing Demand: Flat overall, multifamily supporting pine
20:00 – Fragmented Market: Regional “islands,” no easy arbitrage
25:00 – Relative Value Trades: 2x6 vs 2x4 spread, board looks cheap
30:00 – Buyer Behavior Shift: Late buying driving higher freight
35:00 – Key Takeaway Trades: Futures and select items show opportunity

Advertiser
Fastmarkets RISI
Dustin Jalbert
Senior Economist Wood Products
[email protected]
www.fastmarkets.com
Show Contacts:
Gregg Riley: [email protected]
Charles DeLaTorre: [email protected]
Matt Beymer: [email protected]
Ashley Boeckholt: [email protected]

...more
52min
April 17, 2026 EP 165: Spring-time Round Up
Summary
Recorded during Montreal Wood Convention week with Kip Fotheringham, this episode breaks down a confusing but strong lumber market.

Truck demand is hot, rail is lagging, and inventories are being drawn down while big buyers stay just-in-time. Euro supply is tightening, tariffs remain a wildcard, and mills still aren’t making money—keeping supply in check.

The big question: Is this market about to roll over… or keep grinding higher?
Timeline
0:00 – Market confusion + SYP volatility
2:00 – Truck vs rail market split
4:00 – Inventory drawdown strategy
6:00 – SPF strength + tight supply
8:00 – Euro supply dropping off
12:00 – Tariffs (AR6 → AR7) breakdown
15:00 – Mills still losing money
18:00 – Logistics driving everything
25:00 – Macro + economy check
27:00 – SYP gaining market share
38:00 – Futures shifting (contango → tighter)
46:00 – Just-in-time buyers vs distributors
Guest
Kip Fotheringham
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Advertiser
Fastmarkets RISI
Dustin Jalbert
Senior Economist Wood Products
[email protected]
www.fastmarkets.com
Show Contacts:
Gregg Riley: [email protected]
Charles DeLaTorre: [email protected]
Matt Beymer: [email protected]
Ashley Boeckholt: [email protected]
...more
52min
April 09, 2026 EP 164: The K-Shaped Economy—Who’s Pulling the Wagon?
Ashley, Gregg, Matt, and Charles are joined by Brian Wesbury, Chief Economist at First Trust Advisors, a bestselling author, and one of the most sought-after voices in macroeconomics today. When markets get noisy, Brian’s the guy cutting through it with data and conviction.

The crew dives into the macro forces shaping lumber—from government spending and the “K-shaped” economy to housing completions, freight spikes, and regional demand shifts.

They break down why affordability is still broken, what’s driving trucking chaos, and whether strong Southern demand can carry the market forward. Plus—how AI, migration trends, and policy decisions could reshape housing, labor, and the broader economy.

If you want to understand where lumber demand is heading (and why), this one delivers.

Timeline
00:00 – Brian Wesbury joins + macro setup
03:30 – Taxes, migration & policy shifts
08:30 – Government spending vs affordability
14:00 – Housing completions & demand outlook
16:00 – Freight spikes & supply chain issues
18:30 – Southern vs Northern demand
24:00 – The “K-shaped” economy explained
30:00 – Growth, incentives & middle class
41:00 – AI, jobs & future risks

Guest
Brian S. Wesbury
Chief Economist / First Trust
www.ftportfolios.com

Advertiser
Fastmarkets RISI
Dustin Jalbert
Senior Economist Wood Products
[email protected]
www.fastmarkets.com
Show Contacts:
Gregg Riley: [email protected]
Charles DeLaTorre: [email protected]
Matt Beymer: [email protected]
Ashley Boeckholt: [email protected]
...more
58min

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