HEY. Welcome back! We’re so happy to have you here.

We’re going just a liiiiiiittle bit rogue this week and changing things up. Yeeeep, we’re interviewing former Bachelor star Jen Hawke - also known as Australia’s favourite reality TV villain - about the power of the producer. Can a reality TV producer create a villain, we ask her, or do they need something to actually play with in order to craft their character?

PLUS, fashion blogger Gary Pepper Girl published the intricate details of her wedding prep on Into The Gloss and wowee do we have some thoughts and feelings to unpack.

If you’re interested in checking out some of the articles we pointed to in the show, you can here:

Amanda Sherker on the 7 Ways The Beauty Industry Convinced Women That They Weren't Good Enough for The Huffington Post.

Jia Tolentino on The Year That Skin Care Became a Coping Mechanism for The New Yorker.

Caitlin Fitzsimmons on how much Australians really spend on their weddings for the Sydney Morning Herald.

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This episode was produced by Zara McDonald with royalty free music from Bensound.