The New Music Business with Ari Herstand

This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Toni Nelson, artist manager, business manager, and co-founder of 1990 Records.

Toni Nelson is an artist manager and co-founder of 1990 Records with a background in retail fashion and mental health clinical work. Combining expertise in behavioral science with music industry operations, Nelson specializes in sustainable artist development, data analytics, and guiding independent artists like Adrian Daniel, to build long-term, monetizable careers while protecting their intellectual property.

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https://1990records.org/

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04:01 - What it Means to Build a Creative & Fan Community

09:00 - Protecting IP & Using Split Sheets in the Studio

13:14 - Navigating Producer Credits, Writer Splits & Work for Hire

18:18 - Release Strategies & Tracking Data with Music Analytics

23:27 - How Independent Artists Can Monetize Their Audience

27:38 - Staying Independent vs. Label Licensing Deals

32:45 - When is an Emerging Artist Ready to Tour?

36:22 - Case Study: Developing Adrian Daniel's Career

43:17 - Mental Health & What It Means to Make It in Music

Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Alexis Lanternier, the CEO of global music streaming platform Deezer. Together, they break down the massive influx of AI-generated music flooding streaming services, Deezer’s pioneering efforts in AI detection and fraud removal, and the future of fair artist payouts through user-centric royalty systems.

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05:45 - The Reality of AI Music Flooding Streaming Services

10:23 - How Deezer Detects Streaming Fraud & Purges AI Bots

13:42 - Tagging AI Music & Algorithmic Recommendation Rules

18:32 - Generative AI: Creative Assistive Tool vs. Fully AI Music

24:40 - In-App Fan Remix Tools & Licensing Fair Payouts

33:36 - The Flaw in Market-Centric Payouts vs. User-Centric Payouts

42:15 - Major Label Licensing Deals & Independent Artist Royalty Rates

50:37 - Powering Winamp & What It Means to "Make It" in Music Today

Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Patrick Laird, cellist and co-founder of the classical cover duo, Brooklyn Duo. Patrick breaks down how he and his wife built a music career without traditional touring. He discusses their journey from viral YouTube videos to building an evergreen passive income model, navigating revenue streams across Pandora, Spotify, and YouTube, the intricacies of sheet music publishing, catalog acquisition offers, and why creating utility-based music enabled the creative freedom to pursue personal projects.

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03:55 - Brooklyn Duo’s Origins & Moving Beyond Classical

07:16 - Early Viral Success & Going Full Time

12:50 - Monetization: Pandora, YouTube, and SoundExchange

22:20 - Sheet Music Licensing & Publishing via Musicnotes

30:20 - Arranging Process & Delegation Between Patrick & Marnie

38:50 - Strategic Pivot to High Production Location Videos

52:45 - Building an Evergreen "Utility" Model for Streaming

58:30 - Retaining Masters & Rejecting Catalog Buyouts

01:10:20 - What It Means to "Make It" in the New Music Business

Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Nashville-based singer-songwriter Jared Benjamin. Jared broke down how he went from picking up a guitar during the pandemic to earning over 100 million streams, selling out headline tours, and building an intensely loyal community across TikTok and Discord. They discuss his creation process, content strategy, delegating production, leveraging pre-save ad campaigns, and releasing his debut album, Icarus Too Close to the Sun.

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4:05 Interview Begins: Welcome & Icarus Debut Album Announcement

5:06 Transitioning from Fast Singles to a Cohesive Debut Album

9:43 Early Short-Form Visual Strategy & Writing Skits

17:25 Lessons from Bad Industry Deals & Going DIY

20:15 Learning Production on YouTube & Collaborating with Producers

25:20 Writing "Three Steps Ahead" at AntiSocial Writing Camp

28:35 Building a Social Following & Meeting His Manager

32:50 The Daily Grind: Posting 2 to 4 Videos a Day & Managing Burnout

35:55 First Headline Tour Experiences: From Empty Rooms to Sold-Out Venues

41:59 Managing Online Communities: Grouped vs. Discord Strategy

50:20 Tapping into BookTok & Author Playlist Marketing

01:01:35 Leveraging Feature.fm Pre-Save Ads to Funnel Fans into Discord

Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Laurie Lee Boutet, artist manager at Wednesday Management and manager of the chart-topping Canadian rock band The Beaches.

Laurie shares the incredible story behind The Beaches' explosive rise following their breakout sync placement in Off Campus, why viral TikToks aren't enough anymore, and how artists can build lasting careers by creating cultural moments and not just chasing algorithms.

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https://www.instagram.com/laurieleeboutet/

https://www.wednesdaymgmt.com/

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05:21 Why Viral TikToks Don't Work Like They Used To 

08:00 The Sync That Changed Everything 

12:50 From 18,000 to 1 Million Streams a Day 

18:42 TikTok vs. Instagram: Where Artists Should Focus 

24:44 Should Indie Artists Skip Music Videos? 

28:33 The New Era of Music Marketing 

35:19 How to Create True Superfans 

43:13 Stop Wasting Money on Content 

52:08 The Future of Artist Growth 

59:53 Laurie's Biggest Career Lesson

Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Andreas Schuller, hit songwriter, producer, and co-founder of music publishing company Honua Music. Andreas has written and produced songs for artists including The Weeknd, Jason Derulo, Madison Beer, and many more, accumulating billions of streams and numerous gold and platinum records.

Andreas breaks down how hit songs are actually created, how publishing companies develop songwriters, and why today's music industry is more relationship-driven than ever. He shares the story behind Jason Derulo's smash hit "Wiggle," explains how songwriting camps work, discusses the evolution of professional songwriting, and offers practical advice for aspiring songwriters trying to break into the industry.

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03:48 - Meet Andreas Schuller: Hitmaker Turned Publisher

12:19 - Music Publishing Explained: How Songwriters Make Money

18:39 - The Story Behind Jason Derulo's "Wiggle"

22:02 - Songwriting Splits, Credits, and Industry Politics

30:37 - How Professional Songwriting Has Changed Since 2010

34:46 - Breaking Into the Music Industry as a Songwriter

39:03 - Originality vs. Trend Chasing: What Actually Works?

49:37 - Building Great Writing Rooms and Finding Creative Chemistry

52:39 - AI, the Future of Music, and What's Next for Songwriters

Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with legendary A&R executive, publisher, and educator Pete Ganbarg.

With more than three decades in the music industry, Pete has helped shape the careers of artists, songwriters, and hit records across multiple generations. In this conversation, he breaks down how A&R has evolved from the days of artist showcases and long-term development deals to today's algorithm-driven landscape. Pete explains why great A&R is still about connecting great artists with great songs, even as technology and discovery platforms continue to change.

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04:21 – The True Role of A&R: What Has Changed and What Hasn't

09:00 – Artist Development vs. Chasing Quick Hits

13:20 – Why Live Performance Still Matters to Labels

16:05 – TikTok Stars, Viral Songs, and Building Careers

20:50 – The Difference Between a Song, an Artist, and a Career

25:55 – How Pete Discovers and Develops Songwriters

30:10 – Michael Pollack's Journey to Writing "Flowers."

35:15 – Songwriting by Committee, Sampling, and Publishing Trends

40:50 – AI, Songwriting, and the Future of Music Creation

48:15 – What Excites Pete Most About the Future of Music

54:07 – What It Means to "Make It" in the New Music Business

Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Dee Diaz, Vice President of Marketing at Reach Records.

At Indie Week 2026, Dee shares the innovative marketing strategies behind Lecrae’s Reconstruction album campaign, which helped propel the project to a Billboard Top 10 debut. From sending exclusive mailers to the label’s most loyal fans. To building a gamified direct-to-fan platform called The Workshop, Dee reveals how Reach Records prioritized community, superfans, and authentic artist engagement over chasing algorithms.

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https://www.instagram.com/deediaz_/

https://www.instagram.com/reachrecords/

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05:06 - Meet Dee Diaz and Reach Records

08:47 - The History of Reach Records and Lecrae

12:31 - Building the Reconstruction Campaign

15:07 - The 1,000 Fan Mailer Strategy

16:19 - Creating The Workshop Fan Community

19:37 - Turning Superfans Into Brand Ambassadors

29:09 - Community Service as Music Marketing

37:39 - The Story Behind “Coming In Hot”

43:29 - Why TikTok Doesn't Convert Like It Used To

46:17 - What It Means to Make It in the New Music Business

47:00 - Audience Q&A

Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Nicole Abea, Director of Influencer & UGC Promotions at Hopeless Records.

Over the last decade, Nicole has helped evolve Hopeless Records’ marketing strategy from traditional social media campaigns to modern influencer marketing, user-generated content (UGC), and TikTok-driven discovery. Starting as an intern and rising to lead influencer and UGC promotions, Nicole has worked with artists including Scene Queen, THXSoMCH, Neck Deep, Melrose Avenue, Autumn Kings, and more.

Nicole pulls back the curtain on how music marketing actually works in 2026. They discuss influencer campaigns, fan accounts, micro-budget marketing strategies, TikTok trends, BookTok, DSP pitching, and how artists can build communities that translate into real fandom.

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https://www.instagram.com/nicolethedesigner/

https://www.instagram.com/hopelessrecords/

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03:57 Nicole Abea on Influencer & UGC Marketing at Hopeless Records

08:44 The Reality of TikTok Seeding, Fan Accounts & Music Promotion

15:20 How to Market a Song with a $2,000 Budget

18:25 BookTok, Online Communities & Finding Your Audience

23:29 What Spotify and DSPs Want from Artists

26:26 Why Record Labels Are Signing Influencers

33:21 Scene Over Genre: How Modern Fandom Has Changed

42:41 How All Time Low's “Dear Maria, Count Me In” Went Viral Again

45:22 Rage Bait, Algorithms & The Future of Music Marketing

51:00 Closing Thoughts

Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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This week on the New Music Business podcast, Ari sits down with Molly Neuman, President of CD Baby, one of the largest independent music distributors in the world. Molly has spent decades advocating for independent artists and labels, helping shape the modern music industry through leadership roles at CD Baby, Downtown Music Holdings, and the American Association of Independent Music (A2IM).

In this conversation, Ari and Molly dive into some of the most pressing issues facing musicians today, including artificial intelligence, streaming fraud, artist compensation, customer support, and the evolving role of music distribution. They discuss whether AI-generated music should exist, how streaming platforms are responding to generative AI, why artists are increasingly being affected by fraudulent streams, and what distributors like CD Baby are doing to protect independent musicians. Molly also shares her perspective on artist ownership, independence, and what success in the music business looks like in 2026.

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https://cdbaby.com/

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03:45 – Molly Neuman's Journey to Becoming CD Baby President

11:32 – Is CD Baby Still Independent?

18:04 – Universal Music's Acquisition & What It Means for Artists

27:41 – The State of Independent Music Distribution in 2026

39:18 – What Artists Get Wrong About Distribution

49:07 – AI Customer Support: Does It Matter if It's Human?

52:11 – Should AI-Generated Music Exist?

1:03:47 – Streaming Fraud, Bot Plays & How Artists Get Penalized

1:12:56 – What "Making It" Really Means in Today's Music Industry

Edited and mixed by Ruben Zarate

Music by Brassroots District

Produced by the team at Ari’s Take

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