Group coaching graduate, D, sits down with Lisa to talk about what has been like to navigate life as a highly sensitive person in a pointy world, what it means to figure out who you really are apart from your titles and roles, and coming to a place where it feels safe to live a true and authentic life.

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[2:20] D talks about learning to identify herself from the inside out by doing the work in group coaching and discusses why she chose not to identify herself as a licensed marriage and family therapist while she was a member

[11:00] D recalls the early messages she received about being a deep, sensitive, intuitive, empathic being raised in Los Angeles in the 70s and 80s and how she coped as a little girl

[15:00] D reflects the culture of food in her Jewish home how was a love language for her Bubby, while her mom was what they called a “health nut”

[19:00] D remembers the demand for girls to be pretty (and therefore skinny) and her earliest memories of hearing women speak ill of each other’s bodies

[24:00] D discloses when food, eating, and body image really started coming to her consciousness and how her middle school classmates had a rating system for girls’ bodies and faces, and how she abandoned so much of herself to fit in and belong

[32:00] D talks about how pregnancy and motherhood brought food and eating issues to the forefront and what that looked like for her

[43:00] D reflects on the feelings surrounding her second go at weight loss when her second child was 10 years old and how she ultimately came to recovery

[56:00] D shares about her experience in 14 Week Group Coaching, coming in as a student and treating it as an intensive outpatient program

[1:10:00] D talks about life since completing the program and what has really stuck with her and shares this quote from Rupi Kaur, “it was when I stopped searching for home within others and lifted the foundations of home within myself I found there were no roots more intimate than those between a mind and body that have decided to be whole.”

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The Feelings Wheel

Lisa sits down with former personal training client, Personal Development Coach, Payal Mehta, and together they explore what it means to live an authentic life out of the cave, despite strong handed, cultural narratives about what, who, and how we should be.

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[4:30] Payal recalls her early relationship to food, eating, and her body and when she began to feel self-conscious and the emphasis that was put on being thin in her Indian culture, on top of American diet culture

[9:20] Payal explores the idea of “feeling fat” and looks back on her engaging diet culture when she really didn’t have weight to lose because that’s what she was “suppose” to do

[20:00] Lisa and Payal discuss the physical manifestation of emotions and riding the wave when big emotions come to visit

[30:30] Payal explains how coming out of the cave has affected her parenting

[40:00] Payal tells the story of how she came to hire Lisa and her own perception of body size, exercise, and weight loss then and now

[50:00] Lisa defines health and safety and Payal explains what choosing authenticity over attachment looks like in her life

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The Feelings Wheel

In the most vulnerable episode yet, Lisa opens up about how she in not different than any person her to turns to her for guidance and leadership, gets specific about how and where in life she is experiencing difficulty and pain, and gives a candid account of losing her baby sister, Rebecca.

[6:00] Lisa shares her experience of high functioning anxiety and how she is beginning to identify with high functioning depression

[11:00] Lisa opens up about an experience she had recently with using magic mushrooms as a tool for healing, guided by Alison Midollo and links it back to a time where she did cellular therapy where feelings about the death of her baby sister surfaced

[19:00] Lisa goes back to being five years old and details the experience the short life and tragic death of her 5 month old sister, Rebecca and how her death taught her to use denial as a coping mechanism

[34:00] Lisa talks about how she learned to cope when she was five years old is showing up tangibly today and where she is at mentally and emotionally while confronting this part of herself

[39:00] Lisa shares a few “day in the life” stories and how she deals with stressors and triggers while choosing a recovery

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Lisa sits down with her long time client, back from her personal training days, Michelle, about awakening to the human experience. Together they take a walk down memory lane reflecting on the earliest teachings of Out of the Cave, before the actual business even existed!

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[4:15] Michelle recalls not really being aware of her early relationship to food, eating, and her body until working with Lisa and coming “out of the cave” and is now able to look at what life was like as a child of the 70s

[8:00] Michelle speaks of the trauma being a tomboy and going through puberty and being treated differently by the boys who were once her best friends

[16:00] Michelle talks about worrying about how she looked in her late teens, early adulthood in context of the 70s and 80s, in the heyday of the supermodel and teen magazines and really not being conscious of the effect of those times til much later

[21:00] Michelle remembers thinking about her body as a problem, and dieting for the first time and doing that for years until meeting Lisa in the gym

[27:30] Michelle looks back and remember meeting Lisa in the gym and their early work together

[38:00] Michelle talks about having anxiety and how it manifested physically for her

[42:00] Michelle shares a powerful experience she had being guided through a meditation by Lisa

[51:00] Michelle tells us how her life looks different now that she has spent years living out of the cave

[1:04:00] Why Michelle left her job

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The Out of the Cave Podcast turns one! Listen in to the recording of our first very first Live Q&A.

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[1:00] Q1 Do you ever have days where you say, “I don’t want to feel today?” and what do you do when you’re tired of feeling?

[7:30] Q2 A meal ends, but scrolling social media is forever and that’s my struggle. Any advice?

[16:00] Q3 How do you respond to the statement, “All weight loss is fatphobic?” How does your message align or not align with something like the body positivity movement or fat liberation?

[35:00] Q4 I have a presence on social media and am pursuing intentional weight loss. Other people’s opinions about that and my body feel like a sabertooth tiger. What are your thoughts?

[43:00] Q5 I struggle with boundaries and self judgment and I take on the critical opinions of others and have a hard time separating them from my own thoughts and it gets really confusing. Can you speak to that?

[59:00] A discussion about repetition and reinforcement to rewire our brains and keep our beliefs strong

[1:00:00] Veteran group member talks about the changes in her life after marinating in this work for about a year

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Today’s episode is the first of its kind on the OOTC pod! Abby is a group coaching alumni who came in to do a one on one session to go deeper into some areas where she was still struggling. When we discovered how poignant the questions and topics she was bringing up were, we decided to hit record and let it happen so that you could experience this uncut conversation in real time with us.

Topics include:

[1:03] Diet police and anti-diet police. Not everything you do is a disorder. Allowing yourself to not eat foods that are triggers for you without turning it into a restrictive mindset. Understanding that everyone has a different experience and everyone is going to have different triggers and different roads to recovery.

[11:45] Learning to trust your body and your brain to make decisions for yourself, respecting and upholding our inner knowing. Finding safety around food in different ways. Feeling addicted versus forming healthy relationships around people, activities, and foods - avoiding extremes.

[21:07] Allowing yourself to find what works for you, rather than succumbing to the lies of both diet and anti-diet culture that ‘just doing it this way will work!’ Being the expert on your own body.

[29:01] Fears around losing weight, people’s reactions to you losing weight and the attention that often comes with that. Emotion and action, letting your brain learn unSAFE versus unCOMFORTABLE.

[38:19] Themes of recent conversations around body changes in puberty and the unpleasant attention that invited from friends, family, and strangers. The assumption that everyone is trying to lose weight. The importance of finding community, being understood, and being seen.

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Lisa sits with long-time, one-on-one, client Out of the Cave client, Elisa. They dive deep into a conversation surrounding how the work inside Out of the Cave heals us beyond our relationship with food, eating and body image.

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[2:30] Elisa talks about her lack of memories around her early relationship with food, eating, and her body and then watching her single mom struggle with her own body image and diet

[6:30] Elisa remembers how puberty brought the first self-conscious thoughts about her own body and comparing her body to her peers’

[10:30] Elisa recalls the events that made her realize what she does affects her body, before she never really gave much thought to food and exercise, and how her relationship with exercise began in an attempts to be as thin as possible for her wedding

[16:30] Elisa talks about being pregnant with twins and then becoming pregnant again 10 months later and that being when she began dieting and how she struggled around food and exercise for about 7 years

[25:00] Elisa steadily gains weight as she struggle to “get back on the wagon,” simultaneously, she struggles to be the mom she wants to be, finds it difficult to connect her marriage, and begins questioning if this is what she really wanted for her life, and then finds Out of the Cave through Nicole Sachs and her husband’s journey with chronic pain

[38:00] Elisa explains how food, body image, and the belief “in this work” brought her to Lisa and talks about their early one-on-one relationship

[45:00] Elisa talks about what living life “Out of the Cave” has looked like for her now that she has been doing the work and has been a client for years now and how parenting has changed so much for her

[50:00] Elisa shares how she is ready for intentional weight loss and the energy shift compared to past weight loss efforts, being in a place of self-love over fear

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Lisa sits down and talks to intuitive habit coach, Heather Javier, about advocating for yourself, managing your time, and stacking the cards in your favor to create habits that support how you want to feel and the person you want to be.

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[3:00] Heather introduces herself and explains how struggles in early motherhood led her to where she is today

[10:00] Lisa and Heather dive deeper into the idea of truly holding space

[20:00] Heather shares the framework she uses to work with her coaching clients

[23:00] Prioritizing boundaries to create alignment

[30:00] Creating habits around the question, “How do you want to feel?”

[40:00] Heather talks about the biggest obstacles to creating habits and walks the listeners through the client experience

[54:00] Heather explains the concept intentionally creating obstacles and creating check points

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Lisa continues answering listener questions surrounding the intentional weight loss series and speaks about the Minnesota Starvation Study.

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[2:30] Question 1 When pursuing intentional weight loss, what are some things to watch out for to make sure the process is staying in an aligned, holistically healthy place?

[20:00] Question 2 Do I have to set an end goal?

[36:00] Question 3 What would you (Lisa) do if you had 150 pounds to lose?

[51:00] Lisa shares her thoughts about the Minnesota Starvation Study and how it comes up around conversations around intentional weight loss (Read More Here)

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Lisa answers listener questions in response to the three part Intentional Weight Loss series.

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[3:00] Lisa speaks to the “levels” she outlines in Module 1 in the Out of the Cave 14 Week Group Coaching Program and how we must stabilize in our relationship with food first

[15:00] Question 1: How do I know when I am ‘stable’ [in my relationship with food and eating] and am able to move ‘to the next level?’

[21:30] Question 2: You say we need emotional solutions to emotional problems? What are some emotional solutions?

[37:00] Question 3: How do you track without tracking?

[49:30] Question 4: Why does calorie counting fall into the “wrong” kind of dieting?

[58:00] Question 5: How do I integrate intentional weight loss with a partner who thinks you’re doing it wrong (too much or not enough)?

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