Earlier this month, Evan Selinger, a professor of philosophy at the Rochester Institute of Technology, published a paper with co-author Darrin Durant in the journal Science as Culture titled Amazon’s Ring: Surveillance as a Slippery Slope. Last month, a must-read profile of Chris Gilliard by Will Oremus for The Washington Post also started out with concerns about Ring, before detailing Gilliard’s perspective and background. I invited Evan and Chris to join me to discuss their writings on Ring, and how it fits into their broader views on tech and society.