Matt Kay is a Cape Town-based photographer who came up through photojournalism, spent formative years on a Texas ranch with a Pulitzer Prize winner he didn't know was a Pulitzer Prize winner, and has spent the better part of two decades thinking seriously about what photography is actually for.

In this episode, we get into why a photograph is never real, the collapse of photojournalism and how weddings filled the gap financially, why the boudoir work is less about taking saucy pictures and more about giving someone permission to be seen, and how the saturation of imagery has made it almost impossible for a single photograph to change anything anymore. We also get into snake catching clubs, growing up in the Midlands, and a yellow-billed kite named Napoleon. Enjoy.

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