In a brand new episode of The Grove Podcast, Shelley Giglio is joined by the brilliant and bold Jackie Hill Perry for a conversation about faith, formation, and the unexpected places God does His deepest work.

Together, Shelley and Jackie unpack the wrestle with ambition, the gift of hidden seasons, and how God often meets us in our lack to show us that He alone is enough.

They explore the importance of spiritual disciplines — not as rigid rules but as pathways to freedom, relationship, and fruitfulness. And they encourage us to believe that God really does use every part of our story to make us more like Jesus.

Wherever you are — leading, waiting, hoping, or trying your best to believe — it’s our prayer that this conversation will lift your eyes to His presence and His power at work in your life.

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