Jon Ronson, host of the new audible original podcast The Debutante joins us to discuss the case of Carol Howe, a wealthy young woman who fell in love with a group of neo-nazis before turning government informant. Ronson has studied American extremists for years and has thoughts on how to think about and combat them. Plus, now the Biden administration (of all administrations) is violating the Hatch Act and airing unchecked Trump claims … a dangerous game of chicken.

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