The Rebooting Show

The Rebooting Show

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  • How Dotdash Meredith and The Daily Beast approach product

    At last week’s Media Product Forum, which The Rebooting held in collaboration with WordPress VIP, I had a discussion with Dotdash Meredith chief product officer Adam McClean and The Daily Beast svp of product Samantha Winkelman about their respective product strategies. While both owned by IAC, the publishers are at vastly different sizes, with The Daily Beast having three people in product to DDM’s 75. The connective tissue of both: A focus on audience needs.

    29 min
  • Bloomberg Media’s audience-focused approach to product

    In a session recorded at The Media Product Forum in NYC, Bloomberg Media global head of product Marissa Zanetti-Crume shares how the media organization takes an audience-focused approach to building products. Marissa highlights the importance of understanding user behavior, particularly the shift towards personalized, relevant content delivered efficiently. She shares insights on Bloomberg's recent homepage redesign, the role of AI in enhancing user experience, and the strategic decisions driving their product development.

    31 min
  • The God metric for audience value

    In a discussion held in Cannes, I sat down with Jason White, chief product and technology officer at The Arena Group, and Johanna Bergqvist, general manager of the managers at The Rebooting partner EX.CO. A part of the conversation that resonated was how White has zeroed in on revenue per session as what he calls the “God metric” that prioritizes session depth over raw page views. This is a recognition that traditionally digital media publishers have focused on eyeballs without understanding the intrinsic value of user engagement.

    "The days of not knowing the value of your audience and your content are kind of gone,” Jason said. “Marketers forever have had CRM experts; they know their audiences, they know the value of their users, the value of their products, their margins, etc. We've played an eyeball game for the past 30 years in digital media."

    The benefits:

    • Organizational alignment. As highlighted in The Rebooting and WordPress VIP’s recent research, internal misalignment bedevils publishers. Different groups pursue different goals. The horror show of many webpages is a sign of internal misalignment and “shipping the org chart.”

    • True personalization. There’s no personalization without understanding the person. RPS allows The Arena Group to figure out not just how best to serve visitors – “Is this a younger audience that wants to consume video?” Johanna said. “Let’s take them down more of a video path." – but how best to make money from them. Publishing is increasingly a game of finding the high value audiences within a mass of impressions.

    • Resource allocation. The more-with-less era is a reality. It requires making hard choices about where to spend and where to cut. Having alignment on a KPI makes these choices somewhat easier, if no less painful.

    • 33 min
    • Inside Hearst's New Data Play

      In a session recorded at the Cannes Lions, Hearst Magazines CRO Lisa Ryan and Jen Dorre join the show to discuss how the publisher is responding to the shifts in advertising to performance-focused channels, including retail media and platforms. 

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      • 00:00 Introduction

      • 01:36 Realism in Publishing and Growth Strategies

      • 04:45 Focus on Audience and Data Utilization

      • 07:33 Innovative Ad Products and Consumer Engagement

      • 13:03 Challenges and Opportunities in Attribution

      • 14:26 The Role of Brand Storytelling

      • 16:37 Hearst's Commerce Business

      • 18:53 Understanding Consumer Behavior with AI

      • 20:39 The Future of Programmatic Advertising

      • 24:04 Premium Ad Strategies for Publishers

      • 26 min
      • The Math is Mathing

        In this episode recorded at the Dotdash Meredith villa in Cannes, Dotdash Meredith CEO Neil Vogel and Axios senior media reporter Sara Fischer discuss the impact AI is set to have on the publishing business.

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        • 00:00 Introduction

        • 03:04 Challenges and Opportunities in Publishing

        • 05:44 The Role of Algorithms in Media

        • 13:02 AI Deals and Legal Considerations

        • 22:47 AI's Impact on Business: Myth vs. Reality

        • 25:38 The Future of Print and Digital Media

        • 31:36 The Role of Credibility and Relevancy in Content

        • 37:41 Adapting to the Digital Advertising Ecosystem

        • 40:43 The Challenge of Intermediation in Publishing

        • 42:58 Embracing Change and Enjoying the Chaos

        • 46 min
        • Can ads support news?

          This episode from Cannes of The Rebooting Show, presented by Outbrain, features David Kostman (CEO of Outbrain), Kate Scott-Dawkins (Global President for Business Intelligence at GroupM), and Johanna Mayer-Jones (chief advertising officer of the Washington Post). They discuss the ad market's growth contrasted with the decline in ad revenue for news publishers. Emphasizing the value of trusted journalism, they explore the importance of advanced audience targeting and AI in creating brand-safe environments. The conversation highlights the need for new strategies and better communication to showcase the value of news audiences to advertisers.

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          • 00:00 Introduction

          • 01:43 Panel Introduction and Discussion Overview

          • 02:07 Ad Challenges in the News Business

          • 06:31 Impact of Keyword Block Lists

          • 08:19 Brand Suitability and Safety

          • 23:23 Performance Marketing Trends

          • 33 min
          • Semafor’s Ben Smith on Newsroom Wars

            Semafor editor in chief Ben Smith sees a fragmenting media landscape and impatient owners running headlong into the peculiarities of newsroom culture, where bosses have never had an easy time. Enter the hard-charing Brits. Also: check out Ben’s new podcast, Mixed Signals, in which Ben and co-host Nayeema Raza unpack the real conspiracies of modern media.

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            • 00:54 Introducing Ben Smith and Mixed Signals

            • 04:14 Podcasting and Media Expertise

            • 09:09 Challenges in Modern Newsrooms

            • 20:11 Unionization and Media Management

            • 23:40 The Washington Post's Third Newsroom

            • 26:19 Semaphore's Journey and Business Insights

            • 28:37 BuzzFeed News: Reflections and Lessons

            • 35:28 AI in Journalism: Opportunities and Challenges

            • 41:55 Starting from Scratch: Advantages and Strategies

            • 43:22 The Role of Journalists in Modern Media

            • 46 min
            • The Washington Post’s Turnaround Plan

              In the wake of Jeff Bezos buying The Washington Post in 2013 and the heady “Democracy Dies in Darkness” days following the 2016 election, The Washington Post was considered a credible rival to The New York Times. That’s no longer the case. New CEO Will Lewis is embarking on a turnaround at the Post, which lost $77 million last year. As Lewis put it, “We are in a hole, and we have been for some time.” On this week’s episode, Matt Cronin, founding partner of House of Kaizen, joins to discuss the Post’s strategy as laid out by Lewis.

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              • 00:00 Introduction and Breaking News

              • 01:00 Challenges Facing the Washington Post

              • 02:20 Industry-Wide Transitions

              • 03:51 Engagement and Product Strategy

              • 05:49 Podcast Introduction and Format

              • 06:12 Will Lewis's Turnaround Plan

              • 09:29 Subscription Models and Audience Segmentation

              • 22:13 Historical Context and Missed Opportunities

              • 28:06 Peak Subscription Debate

              • 31:47 The Paradox of Choice in Consumer Behavior

              • 35:52 Volume vs. Value in Subscription Models

              • 42:09 Challenges of Subscription Tiers

              • 46:40 B2B Opportunities for News Organizations

              • 51:59 Microtransactions in Media

              • 1 hr 3 min
              • The Depth Era

                Publishing is shifting from prioritizing breadth to rewarding depth. That starts with understanding the audience — and its segments — more granularly in order to create a more sustainable and varied business foundation. Cory Munchbach, CEO of BlueConic, shares her view of the next chapter.

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                • 00:00 Introduction and Media Challenges

                • 01:02 Welcome to The Rebooting Show

                • 01:44 Discussion on Audience vs. Consumer

                • 03:38 Key Takeaways from the New Growth Agenda

                • 07:22 Challenges in Media Transformation

                • 09:37 The Role of Technology and Organizational Structure

                • 13:01 Existential Threats and Industry Nostalgia

                • 18:22 Adapting to a Consumer-First Strategy

                • 25:59 Navigating Data Collection and Audience Insights

                • 30:16 The Role of AI in Audience Understanding

                • 36:00 The Future of Personalization and Content Delivery

                • 38:55 Transparency, Privacy, and Value Exchange

                • 44:47 The Future of Advertising and Publishing

                • 48 min
                • Audio in the AI Age

                  Scott Porch, founder of Big IP, which operates the business side of several popular lifestyle podcasts like The John Campea Show, Happy Sad Confused, Star Wars Explained, discusses that state of podcasting, and how it is morphing. He acts as something of a talent manager in expanding these podcasts into more well rounded media companies, with revenue coming from memberships and events. The growth of these businesses will not be driven by ads necessarily. "Podcasters are influencers in a lot of respects and they monetize like an influencer in a lot of respects,” Scott noted.

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                  • 00:00 Navigating the Complex World of Podcasting and Monetization

                  • 01:25 Introducing Scott Porch: The Podcasting Pro

                  • 02:31 The Intricacies of Podcast Production and Distribution

                  • 07:33 Exploring the Podcast Landscape: Growth, Challenges, and Opportunities

                  • 15:25 The Evolution of Podcasting: From Audio to Multi-Platform Engagement

                  • 19:30 The Future of Podcasting: Diversification and Creator Economy

                  • 26:25 Understanding Podcast Subscriptions and Membership Models

                  • 35:06 The Realities of Podcast Touring

                  • 37:52 Monetization Strategies in Podcasting

                  • 42:14 AI's Impact on Podcasting and Content Creation

                  • 48:36 The Debate Over Long-Form Podcasts

                  • 53:23 Challenges and Strategies in Podcast Distribution

                  • 58:50 Sponsorship and Monetization in the Podcast Industry

                  • 1 hr 4 min

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