The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

What are your images of retirement? How do you picture yourself enjoying your hard-earned freedom? It'll take savvy holistic planning to achieve your vision. It starts with holistic financial planning, but it includes planning for the non-financial aspects as well. Trusted advisors can be valuable assets in your holistic planning for retirement.

Our guest is Chad Willardson, President, and Founder of Pacific Capital.  I talk with Chad about his observations on retirement planning and:

Why he founded Pacific Capital

Why he does what he does

What key differences he sees between people who are successful in retirement and those who struggle

Common mistakes to avoid in planning for retirement

What surprises his clients most about life in retirement

The challenges entrepreneurs face in planning for retirement

What people should look for in a financial advisor

Key takeaways from his book Stress Free Money - and a preview of his upcoming second book

Chad joins us from Southern California.

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Bio

Chad Willardson is the President and Founder of Pacific Capital and is a Certified Financial Fiduciary®, Accredited Wealth Management Advisor and Chartered Retirement Planning Counselor. Before founding Pacific Capital, he spent 9 years at Merrill Lynch, where he ranked in the top 2% of over 16,000 Financial Advisors nationally. Chad is the author of the Best Selling Book: Stress Free Money: Overcome These Seven Obstacles to Find Financial Freedom. Chad is passionate about financial education and believes that with the right tools and resources, people can be empowered to make smart money decisions. He loves to help people organize their financial life, clarify their goals, and make decisions that lead them to a successful and fulfilling life. A native of Orange County, CA, Chad and his wife of 17 years live in Corona, CA with their five children.

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Wise Quotes

On Purpose & Meaning in Retirement

"People who are successful in retirement have a lot of meaning and purpose. They don't just stop cold turkey. Most of them have other ideas or pursuits, whether it's hobbies, businesses, charitable giving, charitable time, and spending time with their grandchildren in a productive way. I feel like the people who actually retire to something rather than retire from something are much more successful. It's one thing to say, I'm going to stop work at age 60. It's another thing to say between age 60 and 70 here are my 10 big goals or the big things on my bucket list that I really want to focus on. And I've seen people really, really thrive after they stopped their primary career and even explore new opportunities that they never thought they could do, like starting a business with a grandson or learning how to do something new, like getting into cycling or getting into art or traveling with your family. There are so many things that I've seen people do in retirement. That shows me that you really need to have a game plan. It's it could be a 10,000 days journey. And to, to just simply think, well, I don't have to do anything anymore, you're kind of setting yourself up for failure."

On Priorities in Retirement

"I think people, once they get to retirement, they realize that there were a lot of things they weren't doing often enough, like self-care and taking care of their health. I've seen many people just work themselves so hard, work so many hours, with so much extra stress, that they're finally able to really take better care of themselves. And relax and do things that are more fulfilling than doing something just for a paycheck. It's definitely on the unfortunate side, but I think the healthcare costs are typically a negative surprise. It costs more than they expect on the positive side.

Creating a second act in mid-life and beyond takes reinvention. But our guest today tells us it's only part of the story. Wendy Marx, author of Thriving at 50+: The 7 Principles to Reinvent & Rebrand Yourself, notes that it's wise to also update and upgrade your personal brand.

We discuss with Wendy:

The biggest challenges that people 50 + face today

The story behind how her book came about

What it takes to reinvent yourself in a mid-career or second career context

The ways people cultivate the mindset necessary for reinvention

How people find a new purpose

What a personal brand is – and why it's so important today for those of us who are 50+

Her stories of people's reinvention and rebranding

Wendy's personal story of how she reinvented and rebranded yourself

Her advice on how to reinvent yourself

Wendy Marx joins us from Connecticut.

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Bio

Wendy Marx is an award-winning public relations and marketing communications executive who helps B2B companies and executives become well-known brands. Her ability to take SMBs from "Anonymity to the New York Times"™ has driven the growth of Marx Communications.

Her book, “Thriving at 50 Plus” draws on over 30 years of experience, and her own career reinvention (times 5!). She's helped hundreds of people go from anonymity to influential thought leaders

For the last 20+ years, she has served as president of Marx Communications, which has helped numerous companies become industry icons. Her firms’ PR efforts have directly led to companies inking major partnership deals with Dow Jones, The NASDAQ and other major organizations, and spurred their being acquired.

Among her achievements, Wendy planned and executed the original public relations strategy that helped fuel the spectacular growth of Peppers and Rogers Group, the world's preeminent customer relationship firm.

Her technology and business articles have appeared in the New York Times, Information Week, and Computerworld and she has written advertorials for Fortune and Forbes on technology subjects. She blogs on public relations and marketing leadership issues for Fast Company. She is a cum laude graduate of Brandeis University, holds an MBA from the University of Michigan and a master’s degree from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism.

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Wise Quotes

On Reinvention

"Realize that you don't reinvent yourself by snapping your fingers and going, I'm going to reinvent. It's actually a time-consuming process. It's not just a straight upward trajectory. And in the process of writing my book, I interviewed many, many people who had successfully reinvented and rebranded themselves. And based on that, I developed a framework that I call my seven principles. And that includes everything from having a Growth Mindset, to being uncomfortable, a willingness to learn, finding your purpose, storytelling, personal branding, and social media and mentoring. And by following those steps, you can truly have a successful reinvention and rebranding."

On Why You Shouldn't Go it Alone

"One is that if you're stuck like that, it's often helpful. When I actually did this myself to hire a coach, somebody who can, I like to say, give you a Swift kick on the behind so that you're able to start checking yourself a little bit and making some changes. If you don't want to hire a coach, another thing is to be part of a support group where you're with other people who are contending with some of the same challenges you are, and you can mutually help each other. Also doing some volunteer work. Often times you start doing something and that ends up changing you. What psychologists and researchers have found is that just sitting on th...

What can you learn about Early Retirement and the FIRE movement from someone who retired at 41 over three years ago? We catch up with Chris Mamula, of  Can I Retire Yet.com. We first talked with Chris two years ago on his emerging lessons learned, how his early retirement lifestyle is evolving, and his recommendations for listeners who are considering an early retirement plan. He's written a book since we last spoke (Choose FI: Your Blueprint to Financial Independence) and he shares his thoughts on why preparing for the non-financial side of early retirement is important.

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We discuss with Chris:

His story of deciding to retire at 41

What his life is like now 3+years later

What he knows now that he wishes he knew then

What he's learned about priorities, uncertainty, and change

The pros and cons of semi-retirement as an option

How the FIRE movement is evolving in the pandemic

His book Choose FI - and the experience of writing it.

Advice on an early retirement plan

Chris joins us from Utah.

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Wise Quotes

On Life in Early Retirement 

"Day-to-day life, it really couldn't be any different. So we were living in this small town in Pennsylvania. Now we live in a ski town in Utah. Back then I was working a 40 plus hour week with a commute a half hour each way. Now, I still do some work. I write the blog and I've written a book since I left. So, I do some work, but it's really all on my schedule because we live in a ski town. So in the winter, we ski four or five, sometimes six days a week.  And in the summer I'm out hiking, mountain biking, doing things kind of every day. And, my family and I, we kind of fit work in around life. Whereas before I felt like we were just kind of always trying to squeeze life in wherever we could around our work schedules. So, from that perspective, it's, it really couldn't be much different."

On What He Knows Now That He Wish He Knew Then

"I was certainly writing about the softer side of retirement, like purpose and meaning and structure, and all these things that we're talking about. But I kind of wish I would've spent even more time on that part because I think the financial part gets a lot of the emphasis in retirement planning. There's a lot of stuff you can't know as far as like future market returns and interest rates and inflation and all that stuff. But you know, you can kind of play in and have contingencies. But, I just found that there's just not a lot of information [about the softer side of retirement] I think it's very individual for everybody on how you're going to adapt and adjust and find purpose and meaning - and find that structure. Everybody's a little bit different and I wish I would have focused maybe even a little bit more on that - or at least maybe had a little more grace for myself, as far as like having a little bit less expectations for retirement and just kind of going with the flow a little bit more."

On Risks and Mitigation in an Early Retirement Plan

"I think a lot of times you can mitigate those risks. And another strategy that I kind of use is just taking little bite-sized steps...on something like retirement, which is so overwhelming. And so,  doing something like semi-retiring and doing something like my wife dropping down to part-time work. We still made some massive changes. I let my license go. I'm not a physical therapist anymore. We moved across the country. Those are...kind of one-way decisions. But we also gave ourselves a lot of Slack and leeway,  just by making more moderate and gradual changes in other areas. I mentioned how I love being in the mountains and I rock climb and I'd done high-altitude mountaineering and I'm a skier.

How do you maintain cognitive health as you age? Our guest today is Dr. Krystal Culler and she shares a range of useful practices for brain health and staying sharp.

We discuss with Dr. Culler:

How she became interested in Gerontology and Health & Wellness

How she defines brain health

The misconceptions she sees people having about brain health

The relative importance of lifestyle factors versus genetics in cognitive health

What people should do to foster brain health

The role habits play in cognitive health

What we should know about neuroplasticity and lifelong learning

A book that's had a big impact on her

Where people should start in cultivating better brain health

Dr. Culler joins us from Ohio.

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Bio

Dr. Krystal Culler is a Doctor of Behavioral Health with a background in the behavioral sciences (psychology of aging, gerontology, and sociology). She is a Senior Atlantic Fellow with the Global Brain Health Institute, where she was the first scholar from the United States to complete her residency training at Trinity College Dublin, Ireland on dementia prevention and the social determinants of brain health. She has an unwavering commitment to promote brain health equity to individuals of all ages and the communities she serves.

Dr. Culler is the Founder & Creative Director of the Virtual Brain Health Center. Krystal has spent nearly 5 years in Executive-level positions with health non-profit organizations and has 15 years of experience working with individuals with brain health concerns, their families, and advocacy organizations.

Under her leadership, the centers have received 4 international and national awards from leading organizations in the aging care sector for innovation in brain health programming and community impact including honors from the International Council on Active Aging, Mather Lifeways Institute on Aging, the American Society on Aging and the Southern Gerontological Society on Aging.

Additionally, she has been recognized through the receipt of 4 personal leadership awards for her contributions to the field including the Global Brain Health Leaders Award (2019) from the Alzheimer’s Association, Alzheimer’s Society, and Global Brain Health Institute, and Crain’s Cleveland Business 40 Under Forty (2017).

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Wise Quotes

On Lifestyle versus Genetic Factors

"One of the most fascinating things about our field is how fast things are growing. So usually we were saying it is about 70% lifestyle and 10% genetics. And Dr. Sanjay Gupta's new book was just released early this year. And the research is actually slanting a little bit more where now 90% of our lifestyle is in our hands and it's 10% genetics. So I like to think that's really empowering for us to know that there are variables that we are able to control own [rather than] inherit, but for the most part, there are many things that we are able to manage and think about in a mindful way to move us forward on our personal brain health and wellness journey, all across our lives."

On How to Cultivate Brain Health

"We have different reports that have come out over the years that pinpoint about 15 different factors. And the Lancet report shows that when we look at these different lifestyle factors and we talk about dementia, risk reduction across the world, we can prevent about 40% of those cases. And what we tend to think about kind of categorizing these factors. If we were to think about them in terms of your brain, your body, and your environment with your brain, you want as much education as early in life as you can. You want to stay stimulated, protect your brain, minimize stress or ongoing chronic stress sleep well, minimize depression,

About 5% of older adults live in retirement communities in the United States. What's life like behind the gates of retirement communities? Filmmaker Lance Oppenheim looks at life in The Villages, a retirement community in Florida with 130,000 residents, in his new documentary Some Kind of Heaven.

We discuss:

How he came up with the idea for the film

How he selected the four main characters

The arc of the stories that unfolded in the documentary

His thoughts on what the film says about aging in America today

The lessons younger generations can take away from the film

The level of intergenerational relationships he observed

One of his earlier short films - The Happiest Guy in the World

What's next for him

Lance Oppenheim joins us from Los Angeles.

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Bio

Lance Oppenheim is a filmmaker from South Florida.

Lance was a 2019 Sundance Ignite Fellow, named one of Filmmaker Magazine's "25 New Faces of Independent Film 2019," and is the youngest contributor to The New York Times Op-Docs. He was featured on Variety's "Power of Young Hollywood" list in 2020.

He graduated from Harvard University’s Visual and Environmental Studies program in 2019.

His first feature, SOME KIND OF HEAVEN, premiered at the 2020 Sundance Film Festival. The film was produced by Darren Aronofsky, The New York Times (the paper’s first feature film production), and the Los Angeles Media Fund. It will be distributed by Magnolia Pictures in 2021.

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Wise Quotes

On Grower Older

"...when you're in a world like The Villages that does have this radiant optimism - and sometimes it does feel a little bit manufactured -  this kind of artificial construction, the way people were spending their time. I very much connected and empathized with the stories of folks who found themselves at odds with the ethos of the community. And I found that to be relatable if you're in a place where everyone is having the best time of their lives and you're not having the best time of your life, but you're constantly being told that you need to be having the best time of your life.

And you have this ticking clock in the back of your head, that's telling you 'I only have maybe 20, 30, more years of life to live' that will do something to you. And that's a really distressing and stressful and confusing feeling. And that was something ultimately that I wanted to make a film about. It was not a movie that was more concerned with statistics or information. I wanted to make something that was far more expressive about this kind of existential condition that I was interested in and saw quite a bit of throughout my time there."

On What Attracts People to Retirement Communities

"I think we all have our own ways of living inside of bubbles, whether it be people my age [or older adults]. I live in a total bubble in many different ways. The people I spend my time with, the articles I read online, the things I do in my digital life is not dissimilar from the ways in which residents of The Villages choose to unplug -  and live in a place where everyone has more or less imaginative beliefs, ideas and ways of living. I think I also relate to and I understand why it's so wildly popular. There really aren't a lot of places like The Villages that exist that do give you that many opportunities to just kind of find yourself again and be whoever you want to be."

On Intergenerational Relationships

"We haven't figured out how to more naturally allow for these kinds of relationships to blossom between those who are younger and those who are older. It's a shame that I think in some ways, the reason that we have places like The Villages,

It's been a year since the pandemic began. How have your networking relationships evolved? Is it time to rethink how you approach networking? Our guest is J. Kelly Hoey, the author of Build Your Dream Network, and she encourages people to think of networking differently. It's not about networking events, it's about cultivating the right relationships. If you're looking to build a second career, Kelly Hoey's networking tips will change your mindset and your approach to networking.

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We discuss:

Her journey from a legal career in Toronto and New York to what she's  doing today

How economic downturns created opportunities

How we should think differently about networking - beyond networking events

The most important word to remember about networking

Where specificity can give you an edge

The Do's & Don'ts of networking approaches - from the receiver's point of view

The advantages introverts bring to networking that they may not realize

How she thinks of the social media platforms she uses

What can be learned from networking in the pandemic

How to leverage your network in creating a second career

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Bio

Kelly Hoey is obsessed with changing the way we understand and approach networking. She’s the author of Build Your Dream Network: Forging Powerful Connections In A Hyper-Connected World (Tarcher Perigee/Penguin Random House), a modern, practical guide to the necessary (and frequently dreaded) task of networking.

Kelly has worked with top companies, brands and conferences. She’s appeared on CNBC’s Power Pitch, co-created and moderated the “Meet The Innovators” speaker series at Apple, and contributed to publications such as The New York Times, Forbes.com, Fast Company, and Inc. Kelly’s insights have been featured in Real Simple, Working Mother, Good Morning America, AARP, Vogue.com, Brit & Co, The Muse, Wall Street Journal, Financial Times, CBC Radio, Monster.com, AARP, The Ladders, Parade, Business Insider and many more, as an authority on networking.

A former attorney and active participant in New York’s startup community, Kelly has been lauded from Forbes (“1 of 5 Women Changing the World of VC/Entrepreneurship”) to Fast Company (“1 of the 25 Smartest Women On Twitter”) to Business Insider (“1 of the 100 Most Influential Tech Women On Twitter”) and Inc. (“1 of the 10 Most Well-Connected People in New York City's Startup Scene”). EBW 2020 included her on their list of the “100 Most Influential Global Leaders Empowering Women Worldwide”.

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Wise Quotes

On Why It's Not About Networking Events

"I think what people need to think about networking is you need to ditch the schmooze. You need to ditch the notion. When you need something like a job lead or a career lead, you need to think about it more in the sense of How do I interact with people every day? And well before the events of 2020, things we were doing every day - we're texting and tweeting and maybe posting on Facebook, maybe we're sending a birthday note or an anniversary wish. All that is part of your networking arsenal if you're someone who has been or had been in the workforce a long time. When I think about your networking, how have you shown up every day for your colleagues and co-workers? Were you a good mentor? Were you someone who was a good project manager? All of those activities to me are part of our networking reputation - and network building - that we have done throughout our lives. So for the listeners who may be thinking about a change or some evolution in their career, this is where I'd say sit back and think about how you've been showing up for your network every single day."

On Generosity

"Well,

Is it time to discover What's Next after your primary career comes to an end?

Is there something you always wanted to do?

Is there a problem or challenge that your skills and experience could help solve?

Is there something calling you?

This mini-episode of our retirement podcast highlights three stories of people who are making a difference - in new ways.

Cynthia Barnett found her career in education coming to an end prematurely. She spotted an important problem. Girls were not entering educational pathways that would prepare them for careers in high-growth fields in science, technology, engineering, and math. Deciding that she was retired, but not done yet, she dove in and created an award-winning program to inspire young women to consider and prepare for STEM careers.

Melissa Davey was an executive in health care when a chance encounter led her to conversations that inspired her to retire - and follow her dream to become a filmmaker.

Steve Javie was at the top of his game as an NBA referee when a chronic injury curtailed his career. A period of intensive self-reflection, conversations, and discernment lead him to become an ordained Deacon.

Their experiences underscore how valuable an open-mind can be.

What could you discover?

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Listen to our full conversations - and their advice:

Retired, But Not Done Yet – Dr. Cynthia Barnett

What Do You Really Want to Do?- Melissa Davey

From the NBA Hardwood to the Altar – Steve Javie

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You May Also Be Interested In:

Design Your Life and Get Unstuck – Dave Evans

How to Build a Portfolio Career – Kate Schaefers

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What are the keys to happiness in retirement? It goes beyond financial security. And if you want to retire happy, what should you focus on? Our guest today is Dr. Barbara O'Neill, author of Flipping the Switch: Your Guide to Happiness and Financial Security in Later Life. Although she is not a fan of the word retirement, she's researched what it takes to make one of life's transitions and retire happy.

I discuss with Dr. O'Neill:

The story of her next chapter (so far) after leaving Rutgers University

How the pandemic will impact retirement, short-term and longer-term

What areas people are the most – and least – prepared for in later life

Why she doesn't like the R-word - and what she prefers to use instead

Why letting go and looking forward are both important - and how they can be challenging in life's transitions

What she thinks are some of the most challenging switches to flip

What she's learned in navigating her own life transition

Her alternative approach to FIRE (FIND)

When people should begin to start planning for life after full-time work

She joins us from Florida.

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Bio 

Barbara O'Neill, Ph.D, CFP®, CRPC®, AFC, CHC, CFEd, CFCS, CPFFE, is the author of Flipping the Switch: Your Guide to Happiness and Financial Security in Later Life.

As the owner/CEO of Money Talk: Financial Planning Seminars and Publications, Dr. Barbara O’Neill, CFP®, AFC®, CRPC®, writes, speaks, and reviews content about personal finance. A Distinguished Professor Emeritus at Rutgers University, after 41 years of service as a Rutgers Cooperative Extension educator and personal finance specialist, Dr. O’Neill has written over 160 articles for academic publications and received more than 35 national awards and over $1.2 million in grants to support her financial education programs and research.

Employed by Rutgers since 1978, she provided national leadership for the Cooperative Extension programs Investing For Your Future and Small Steps to Health and Wealth™ for over a decade. Part of her work time is bought out to provide personal finance training for military family service professionals (for the eXtension Military Families Learning Network) and for New Jersey financial educators as part of a state Department of Education contract.

She is also the author of two trade books, Saving On a Shoestring and Investing On A Shoestring, and co-author of Money Talk: A Financial Guide for Women.

She is a certified financial planner (CFP®), chartered retirement planning counselor (CRPC®), accredited financial counselor (AFC), certified housing counselor (CHC), and certified financial educator (CFEd). She also holds the CFCS (certified in family and consumer sciences) and CPFEE (certified personal and family finance educator) credentials from the American Association of Family & Consumer Sciences (AAFCS).

Dr. O'Neill received her Ph.D. in family financial management from Virginia Tech, a master's degree in consumer economics from Cornell University, and a bachelor's degree in home economics education from the State University of New York (SUNY) at Oneonta. She has received over three dozen awards for personal or program excellence, including a 2016 AAFCS Distinguished Service Award, and over $1 million in grants and contract funding to support her financial education programs and research. In 2003, she served as president of the Association for Financial Counseling and Planning Education (AFCPE).

From 1996-2000, Dr. O'Neill directed the five-year MONEY 2000™ Cooperative Extension savings and debt reduction campaign in the 1990s that resulted in over $20 million of documented economic impact nationwide. In addition, she has delivered almost 300 national/regional conference presentations throughout her c...

This is a special mini-episode of The Retirement Wisdom Podcast. It's a quick recap of what we learned in the first month of our 4th season of the podcast.

To kick off Season 4, we focused on topics that are front and center for many people at the beginning of a new year:

Healthy living

Working longer (in different ways)

Lifelong learning

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You can listen to the full conversations here:

Take Charge of Your Well-Being – John La Puma, MD

How to Future Proof Your Career – Jeff Gothelf

Learning is a Lifetime Sport – Tom Vanderbilt

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What comes to mind when you hear the phrase lifelong learning? Formal classes, with homework, delivered over Zoom? That's part of it. But there's another dimension that our guest Tom Vanderbilt, the author of the new book Beginners: The Joy and Transformative Power of Lifelong Learning, highlights. He writes about learning a new skill, as opposed to acquiring knowledge. And he's not focused on professional skills. His book is about learning new skills - for fun. Intrigued by his daughter beginning to learn chess, he decided to learn along with her. And that began a journey of learning how to surf, sing, draw and juggle. His book shares his experiences and explores the science of learning, including why cultivating a Beginner's Mind is key for adults committed to lifelong learning.

We discuss:

The story of how his daughter learning chess led to this book

The benefits of learning a new skill

Why being a beginner is more challenging for adults

Why  a 'Beginner's Mind' is helpful

What gets in our way

What he learned about unlearning

The advantages of learning a new skill in groups

How couples can benefit from learning a new skill together

Why juggling can be a good learning experience

Why these times are perhaps the best of times for lifelong learning

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Bio

Tom Vanderbilt has written for many publications and is a contributing editor of Wired (U.K.), Outside, and Artforum. He is the author of Traffic: Why We Drive the Way We Do (and What It Says About Us) and Survival City: Adventures Among the Ruins of Atomic America. He has been a visiting scholar at NYU’s Rudin Center for Transportation Policy and Management, a research fellow at the Canadian Centre for Architecture, a fellow at the Design Trust for Public Space, and a winner of the Warhol Foundation Arts Writers Grant, among other honors.

Tom Vanderbilt writes on design, technology, science, and culture, among other subjects, for many publications, including Wired, Outside, The London Review of Books, The Financial Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Wilson Quarterly, Artforum, The Wilson Quarterly, Travel and Leisure, Rolling Stone, The New York Times Magazine, Cabinet, Metropolis, and Popular Science. He is contributing editor to Artforum and the design magazine Print and I.D., contributing writer of the popular blog Design Observer, and columnist for Slate magazine.

He has consulted for a variety of companies, from ad agencies to Fortune 500 corporations, and has given lectures at a variety of institutions around the world, from the Eero Saarinen Lecture at Yale University’s School of Architecture to the Australasian Road Safety Conference in Canberra. He has appeared on a wide variety of radio and television programs around the world, including NBC’s Today Show, ABC News’ Nightline, NPR’s Morning Edition, Fresh Air with Teri Gross, the BBC’s World Service and The One Show, MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Fox Business, and CNN’s Business Today, among many others. He is a Visiting Scholar at New York University’s Rudin Center for Transportation Policy and Management, and has received fellowships from the Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visiting Arts, the Design Trust for Public Space, and the Canadian Centre for Architecture. He is also a member of the U.S. Department of Interior’s Cold War Advisory Committee, a group studying the identification of sites and resources significant to the Cold War.

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Wise Quotes

On Learning a New Skill

"...As my daughter was sitting there learning this new thing, I thought, why shouldn't I also try to learn this thing? ...And so this little experiment was born in which we were, these two people separated by four decades of age, trying to learn the same thing.