In this conversation with Dr. Stephen Backhouse, we explore how the philosophy of 19th century Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard illuminates the dynamics of our own day. Specifically, how the phenomenon of Christian Nationalism—the fusing of Christian spirituality with the lust for power (which ultimately obliterates the former)—seems to recur in some shape or form in every era, and certainly our own. In recognizing this lust for power, which is antithetical to spirituality and certainly to the teaching of Jesus, we can transcend many traps and live not in fear but in courage, hope, and love.