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Every day across North America, workers excavate near buried infrastructure that could kill them and most of the people who built the system protecting them can't explain how the whole thing fits together. 

Mike Sullivan sits down with Scott Landes, a four-decade figure in North American damage prevention who co-founded Rhino Marking & Protection Systems and the Excavation Safety Alliance. 

Scott and Mike explore what the industry has built and what it is still failing to do, the absence of C-suite ownership of damage prevention culture, the near-impossible challenge of changing state-level legislation even when it's broken, and why Scott believes a simple cultural shift at the top of major utility companies could eliminate 99% of damage incidents. 

The conversation closes on a practical challenge: what is the one action every listener could take tomorrow to immediately reduce the risk of a strike?

Listen for:

6:35 What does Jimmy Buffett's brand genius have to do with how damage prevention companies succeed or fail?

17:31 Why did it take 40 years for someone to write the first comprehensive book about the damage prevention industry?

21:32 Who is Holding Back Disaster actually written for — and what does it hope to change?

37:42 If you rewrote this book in ten years, what would you hope the industry had finally solved?

44:24 What is the one action every person in damage prevention could take tomorrow to immediately reduce the risk of a strike?

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Scott Landes, CEO, Excavation Safety Alliance, LLC

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This is a REPLAY of an episode first published in August 2024.

How do you measure what didn’t happen?  

In this episode, Mike sits down with Wayne Jensen to explore the fascinating concept of quantifying the absence of damage in the damage prevention industry.  

They discuss the evolution of safety practices, the challenges of relying too heavily on regulations, and the importance of recognizing proactive behavior in preventing accidents.  

The conversation dives deep into the human side of safety, celebrating the unsung heroes who ensure nothing goes wrong – and the complexities of proving that their efforts were the reason why. 

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3:19 - The Origin of Monthly Damage Prevention Meetings
8:09 - The Effectiveness of Public Awareness Programs
20:56 - Are We Too Reliant on Legislation?
28:33 - Responsibility and Accountability in Damage Prevention 

Guest: WAYNE JENSEN
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What if the most powerful safety speaker is the one without a dramatic scar to explain? 
 Mike Sullivan sits down with Wylie Davidson, motivational speaker and safety culture specialist behind the Leaving a Safety Legacy program, to explore what it actually takes to make a safety message stick. 

Wylie built his career not on a dramatic injury story or a near-miss, but on a fundamental conviction: safety culture isn't a program, it's a human problem. 

The conversation digs into why experienced workers take shortcuts (hint: it's wired into us), how leaders can influence behaviour without micromanaging, and why a single presentation, no matter how powerful achieves nothing without a plan for the day after. 

Listen for:

12:04 Why do experienced workers keep taking shortcuts?

17:28 What does it actually mean to make a safety message sustainable?

21:19 How do you reach the person in the back row who doesn't want to be there?

37:53 What has a decade of speaking across North America taught you about people?

42:38 What separates leaders who build lasting safety culture from those who erode it?

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Wylie Davidson, Keynote Speaker | Workplace Culture Specialist
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Canada's underground utility infrastructure sustains billions of dollars in damage every year... and the data needed to stop it keeps slipping through the cracks. 

Mike Sullivan is joined by CCGA Executive Director Todd Scott for a wide-ranging conversation about momentum, leadership, and the future of damage prevention in Canada. 

They unpack the success of the Halifax event, why bringing the industry together in person still matters, how a new generation is stepping up across the board and committees, and why that leadership transition feels so encouraging. 

The episode also digs into the hard realities behind DIRT reporting, the challenge of collecting useful national data, the need for stronger municipal engagement, and the growing role AI could play in mapping, quality assurance, and field safety. 

At its core, this is a thoughtful and optimistic discussion about where the Canadian Common Ground Alliance is headed next and what it will take to build a smarter, stronger, more connected damage prevention community.

Listen for:

18:29 Why is voluntary DIRT reporting Canada's biggest damage prevention blind spot?

23:24 What does a 99% damage reduction in ALP locates tell us about the future of best practices?

33:48 How could AI transform notification centres and field locate quality and what has to come first?

38:18 What did the Sereno societal cost analysis reveal and why did the number drop so dramatically?

46:32 What is Todd Scott most looking forward to at the 2026 CCGA Symposium in Calgary?

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Todd Scott, Executive Director of Canadian Common Ground Alliance
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What if excavators could take control of their own locate process…and as a result, the number of utility strikes nearly vanished? That's not a hypothetical. It's what's happening right now.

Mike Sullivan sits down with Ron Laidman and Iain Stables. Together, they unpack 18 months of real performance data showing that ALP adoption has grown by nearly 300% year-over-year, that more than 50,000 locate requests have flowed through the program with only three reported damages, and that the program's damage rate per thousand notifications is a fraction of the provincial average. 

Perhaps most striking is the mechanism behind the safety gains: it's not a technical fix… it's the relationship between a dedicated locator embedded in the crew and the excavator who now has a stake in the outcome.

Listen for:

3:57 Why are ALP episodes by far the most downloaded on a podcast about safety?

8:19 What does a near-300% year-over-year adoption increase actually mean for a program in its infancy?

14:26 With only three reported damages across 50,000+ locate requests, what is the ALP damage rate compared to conventional locating?

31:23 Is the ALP's damage reduction driven by technology, training, or something far more human?

33:50 What does it actually take to become a registered Alternate Locate Service Provider in Alberta?

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Ron Laidman, Founder and Principal Advisor at Enertia

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Iain Stables, Manager, Damage Prevention at ATCO Gas and Pipelines

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What if the biggest threat to underground safety is not technology, but our refusal to change?

Mike Sullivan talks with long time damage prevention consultant and investor Jemmie Wang about why the industry feels “safe enough” even as enormous hidden societal costs pile up from every cut fibre and broken line. 

Together they explore how advances like affordable high accuracy GPS, smarter ticket management, online locate requests, deep AI mapping, and Alternate Locate Provider models are already proving they can slash damages, yet are still held back by rigid legislation, misaligned incentives, and risk averse culture.

They compare Canadian and US approaches, question whether current 811 structures actually serve the people who use them, and ask if slogans like “call before you dig” and “50 in 5” are distracting from the real work of changing the rules of the game. 

The conversation circles back again and again to one challenge for boards, executives, locators, and contractors alike: finding the courage to embrace new tools, new models and more flexible laws before the next crisis forces their hand.

Listen For:

4:10 What damage prevention technologies have changed the game in the last decade
7:11 Why does the industry keep doing more of the same instead of embracing new tools
16:31 Should damage prevention rely on more legislation less legislation or something in between
30:10 Why is click before you dig safer and why is it still a hard sell in the United States
56:58 What can Alternate Locate Providers and an Uber style model do to transform locating and reduce damages 

Jemmie Wang
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What happens when an entire industry decides it’s time to build a new home from the ground up? 

Mike Sullivan sits down with Bruce Campbell, Mark Frost, and Roger Lipscomb—the visionary team behind the Facility Notification Center Association (FNCA). 

This passionate conversation traces the FNCA's superhero-style origin story, born from the ashes of older systems, into a modern, unified trade association serving 80% of North American notification centers. 

From candid reflections on industry fragmentation to the power of collaborative leadership and servant-driven innovation, this episode dives deep into the necessity of FNCA, its mission, and its bright future. 

It's a rich exploration of how facility notification centers are banding together—not just to adapt, but to lead.

Listen For:

6:10 What is the history behind North America’s One Call centers?

13:07 Why did One Calls of America and OCSI need to evolve?

29:36 What were the hurdles in transforming OCOA into the FNCA?

37:15 What goals are driving the FNCA’s strategic plan forward?

48:20 How is FNCA future-proofing for AI, volume spikes, and industry change?

Facility Notification Center Association (FNCA)

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Bruce Campbell

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Roger Lipscomb

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What do two clipped fibre optic cables have in common with a $77 million disaster? More than you think.

Mike Sullivan recounts a personal travel nightmare that snowballed into a hard-hitting reflection on the staggering societal costs of utility damage. 

What began as a delayed flight turned into an eye-opening experience involving 1,800 disrupted flights, 235,000 stranded passengers, and millions in lost productivity, business, and environmental damage—all traced back to a simple infrastructure mishap. 

Mike breaks down the direct and indirect costs of such incidents, explores the gaps in utility protection and reporting laws, and emphasizes the critical importance of submitting locate requests. 

Listen for:

1:05 How Did a Travel Delay Reveal a Bigger Safety Issue?

4:13 How Does Buried Utility Damage Impact Society at Large?

08:27 What Does $77 Million in Damage Look Like in Real Life?

17:29 Why Do Airlines Operate on Razor-Thin Profit Margins?

25:08 Can Repeat Offenders in Utility Damage Be Held Accountable?

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What if one simple change could slash utility damages to near zero? 

Mike Sullivan brings together a powerhouse panel from both sides of the Canada-U.S. border to celebrate and dissect the incredible first year of the Alternate Locate Provider (ALP) program. 

With only two reported damages out of over 30,000 ALP locates, this initiative is rewriting the rules of damage prevention. 

Industry leaders—including Jamie Andersen, Iain Stables, Lance Norman, Wayne Jensen, and Ron Peterson share insights on how ALP is driving efficiency, improving safety, and changing the landscape of utility locating. 

From enhanced collaboration to future scalability, this episode offers a blueprint for transforming infrastructure safety practices.

Listen For:

11:28 Why the ALP Had to Happen
16:15 Game-Changer for the Digging Community
20:44 Why This Could Go Global
53:34 Confronting the Controversy
59:21 The Future of ALP and Utility Safety

Guests: 

WAYNE JENSEN

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IAIN STABLES 

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JAMIE ANDERSEN

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LANCE NORMAN

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RON PETERSON

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What does it take to turn unimaginable tragedy into a global movement for safety? 

Mike Sullivan sits down with Carl Weimer, former executive director and current advisor to the Pipeline Safety Trust, to revisit the devastating 1999 pipeline explosion in Bellingham, Washington. 

Carl shares his unlikely journey from environmental nonprofit leader to one of the most influential safety advocates in the pipeline industry. 

Together, they explore the ripple effects of that tragic day, the formation of the Pipeline Safety Trust, the evolution of public engagement, and the ongoing challenges in pipeline safety across North America. 

It’s a powerful conversation about accountability, transformation, and the lives behind the headlines.

Listen For:

2:03 - Unlikely Advocate  

7:03 - The Day Bellingham Exploded  

18:47 - $4 Million and a Mission  

33:10 - Pushing Industry to Be Better  

55:27 - Where Do We Go From Here?

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