Speaker: Dungse Jampal Norbu. Dungse-la draws contrasts between being in and out of retreat and how the transition between them can be like bardo experiences. Retreat provides an opportunity to relax the process of identification, where we are less focused on projecting a self. Instead we focus intently on practice and resting in the nature. When we transition out of retreat, we get to watch how our tendency to develop identity rushes back in, how we contrive an identity amidst the push and pull of our preferences and aversions.