The Spartan Mind Strength Podcast with Tim & Vie: Ancient Wisdom for Modern Wellness

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Episode Topics

• Happy Diwali (Deepavali)
• The Festival of Lights
• Victory of Good over Evil
• Victory of Light over Darkness
• Victory of Knowledge over Ignorance
• Charaka, karma and the root of disease
• Goddesses Kali, Lakshmi, Saraswati and Deepavali
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Episode Topics

• The Nine Nights of Goddess Kali, Lakshmi and Saraswati
• The Three Aspects of Shakti
• Navaratri denotes the essence of Ayurveda according to Charaka
• Kali represents physical, emotional and mental health, Om Durgaye Namaha
• Lakshmi represents wealth and prosperity as in dharma, Om MahaLakshmi Namaha
• Saraswati represents wisdom as in the divine essence of self, Om Saraswatiaye Namaha
• The Gods exist because we believe in them
• Happy Navaratri!

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Tim: Hello this is Tim

Vie: And this is Vie and we welcome you to another episode of the spartan mind strength podcast.

Tim: This is number three on the meat of ayurveda.

Vie: Stay tuned. We’ll be right back.

Tim: And we’re back. But first, did you subscribe, did you share, did you tell all your friends, did you like, did you leave a review and did you go to US wellness and sign up for their free giveaway for a $150 worth of the meat.

Vie: Exactly. Yeah. Well, yes, but actually by the time they get this one, it will have been over.

Tim: Oh, so hopefully you already did it. So if you haven’t shame. So we’re going to talk again about ayurveda and meat. But first I’d like to say that I had a ribeye steak today, well we both had ribeye steaks and cooked in butter, along with some pasta from

Vie: Cappello's

Tim: Cappello's, and that was

Vie: cooked in more butter

Tim: and that sauce was a butter, Romano, Parmesan, pepper, sauce,

Vie: black pepper

Tim: yep, black pepper sauce. So it really went very well together. so I am steak happy right now. So,

Vie: So you’ve had your steak-tember meal?

Tim: Yeah, that’s Shawn Baker right now is doing steak tember. Yes, we’ve had our steak-tember for the day.

Vie: For the month.

Tim: Steak is actually something that is eaten in ayurveda as it was taught before 500 AD.

Vie: Exactly.

Tim: And we keep saying before 500 AD because 500 AD is when a lot of things shifted in the political world of ayurveda.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: And that’s why they no longer talk about eating meat. So we do not teach ayurveda that came after that, because that actually has led to a lot of sickness.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: And it leads to a lot of, actually there was an article that we were reading today from a lady in India, a doctor, who, who was talking about how bad their diabetes is.

Vie: Yes, she’s an endocrinologist and actually started her own practice, independent of the hospitals there. She was trained in U.S. and then moved to India.

Tim: Yes, she is still vegetarian.

Vie: Oh yeah.

Tim: But she shifted the carb to protein

Vie: ratio. Exactly. And, actually, her story is fascinating because when she goes at the hospital, one of the patients that had pretty advanced type two diabetes, and she prescribed him the insulin, right. And because he was already taking enough pills for all the things he had going on, he didn’t want to go on insulin. And he was just not willing to do it. And so her first thing because she still wanted to get him to do something was - she asked him how many chapati a day he was eating.

Tim: And that is what?

Vie: And that is bread. It is, it is delicious. It is a delicious form of bread. So she asked him to start reducing the amount to half of what he was eating. And he did that. And a couple of months later, she, she couldn’t even believe the results. She didn’t think it was gonna make a change, but she wanted to give him something to start him committing to something in hope that he would eventually take the insulin.

Vie: And the long story, made longer is that a year later he was off of all his medications, just by reducing the number of carbohydrates and increasing the number of protein.

Tim: And he also added fat. So there was also fat. So, but he reduced his carbs, he added more protein and fat and he added intermittent fasting.

Vie: Yes.

5:10 Tim: So, and that is a lot of what ayurveda talks about. The old ayurveda. It talks about doing good fat, doing good protein and not as much carbs. Carbs are, are pretty new to the ayurveda world.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: Especially in today’s ayurveda world carbs are huge. I just seen a post about eating, the mixture of herbs and stuff in a sauce that you put on your meat because it had, or on your vegetables chutney,

Vie: chutney

Tim: yeah, which is, that just spikes your insulin up dramatically.

Vie: Exactly. Yes. So actually ayurveda has, has the basic lifestyle, the regular lifestyle that can lead someone to thriving. And that is don’t eat all the time. Actually it’s no more than two meals a day.

Tim: Yes.

6:13 Vie: Because you eat, you eat nutrient dense and diverse enough food that sustains you and you leave the 12-hour continuous window in a 24-hour period of no caloric intake.

6:33 Tim: But when you’re eating that many carbs it’s hard to do a 12 hour fast.

Vie: Exactly. You have to do it gradually.

6:40 Tim: So I know that also there is a study just done a little while ago that shows that Hong Kong is one of the largest meat eaters in the world. Now I know there’s also other indicators and all this other stuff, lifestyle things. So they’re one of the largest meat eaters in the world and their average of lifespan is what?

Vie: 83 to 84 years.

Tim: And then India, which is a very carb-based lifestyle and they have a very low meat source and their average life span is?

Vie: 64 I believe.

Tim: So here’s something that’s going into a lot of things that ayurveda was saying is that having a higher protein, higher fat, lower carb is actually a very good lifestyle for most people.

Vie: Yes, for most people, exactly. It all depends. And I mean, this, this change, to me what is dramatic is the, the health improvement that a change like that makes - reducing the amount of rice and bread pretty much, increasing the amount of protein, which they were even using dahl,

Tim: Which is a very, which is a very poor source of protein.

Vie: Exactly. Lentils as a protein. Yes. Which are, you know, legumes and they are not absorbed as easily by our body, and they can have the anti nutrients and everything. So, and then fat and we are talking not even, well, the only animal fat would be ghee that they were using. So imagine, imagine what adding good meat and other good animal products can do to someone’s health.

Tim: Yes.

Vie: It’s huge.

8:47 Tim: So we’re starting to see a shift in the way things are going with animal products. Because I know that, I mentioned his name earlier, Shawn Baker. he has a podcast MeatRX and it’s one of the largest podcasts listened to, in India.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: He was talking about it today. So, you know there is a shift in the world of ayurveda in the way that people are looking at it, to what we’ve been told it was and what it actually is.

Vie: Yeah. And the more, the more of this shift that we are going to see the better it’s gonna be for the world all around, because it’s gonna bring more awareness to the quality, the quality of food, the quality of animal products, and then that’s good for the world all around. And I know we talked about it a little bit in the last podcast about the regenerative agriculture

Tim: Yes.

Vie: and the concept of the dynamic balance of the ecosystem. Because also just eating, where a lot of the confusion is, the reductionistic way at looking at food, just eating vegetables and fruits because of the nonviolence concept, that’s, that’s actually not working and that’s not,

Tim: And it’s not nonviolence.

Vie: And it’s not nonviolence, exactly. That’s what I’m getting to. It’s violence in many, many ways.

Tim: Yes.

Tim: So I want to take a break and come right back to talk more about meat.

Vie: Stay tuned.

11:07 Tim: And we’re back again. And we’re talking about meat. So in this world of of eating meat, and this is where I also want to get is that I see a lot of vegans and vegetarians posting things saying this is what I eat in a day. And if you’re eating ayurvedically, the original ayurvedically, you don’t eat as much food.

Vie: No.

Tim: So your footprint is a lot smaller than a footprint from someone else. Like, we get our, most of our meats we get locally. And then if we do get vegetables, they are pretty much local also. Our milk is local. Everything is very very close and then we don’t eat as much food because it’s very nutrient dense.

Vie: Exactly.

11:58 Tim: It has a lot of good fat and fat is called what in ayurveda? What do you need your fat for?

Vie: Your kapha. Oh yeah it’s your foundation, your fat is your foundation for your kapha dosha.

Tim: And that’s grounding.

Vie: Exactly, it’s grounding yes.

Tim: That keeps you able to keep moving forward and functioning.

Vie: Absolutely. Your fat is what nourishes your gut membrane actually. And ayurvedically that’s your ambu vaha srotas which is like your water channel and yeah, without healthy fat you can’t have a healthy membrane.

Tim: And that’s why if you look at a lot of people that don’t eat a lot of fat they’re, they’re very flighty.

Vie: Exactly, yeah. They don’t have the good unctuous or oily quality. That’s that’s foundational. That’s, you can’t have a healthy gut or a healthy brain without - or a healthy heart brain for that matter - without enough good fat.

13:11 Tim: Okay now. So we know that good fat is good for the brain, the heart and the stomach, the 3 brains.

Vie: Yes. Enteric brain, heart brain, and cognitive brain.

Tim: And some of the easiest way to get that is through tallow.

Vie: Tallow, lard, ghee, grass-fed grass-finished butter,

Tim: Whole milk

Vie: Whole milk, yes. Cheese.

Tim: So there’s a lot of good ways of getting good fat that will make you grounded.

Vie: Exactly. And saturated fat is not your enemy. That’s why we are talking about it. It’s the quality of the saturated fat.

Tim: Yes. And one of the other things that I want to bring up is that I know for me, it’s it’s - and I’ve said this many times, I don’t know if I’ve said it on this is - but you can eat meat pretty much, go kill a deer and eat the whole thing and not worry about the meat being bad.

Vie: Yes.

14:10 Tim: Where vegetables, you really need to know what the vegetables are. You can’t just go out in your yard and pick some plants and eat them.

Vie: Exactly.

Tim: You can die or get definitely get really sick or die from eating certain plants. And then if we go even further, the mineral kingdom,

Vie: Exactly. The mineral kingdom. Well in the plant kingdom also berries, right. And they may look identical and one type is gonna kill you and the other tastes awesome.

14:38 Tim: Yes, same with mushrooms.

Vie: Exactly. Mushrooms are huge. And then also, yeah, the mineral kingdom is even more subtle. So you have the animal kingdom, you have the plant kingdom and the mineral kingdom. And there are even divisions in there, and Charaka goes through all that in the plant kingdom, goes into extreme detail and the animal kingdom and the mineral kingdom as well. But it’s fascinating in the plant kingdom that as you get in more subtle and subtle and subtle, then they are more and more potent and they can be extremely therapeutic in serious diseases and at the same time they can kill somebody. And it all has to do with the administration, which means the preparation, the portion, and all that.

15:35 Tim: And in today’s world, we have sort of bastardized the ability of how those herbs or plants are being sent to people, how they’re in taking them. So I know that, like, so for like in Charaka’s book, he talks about taking animal ears like cow ears, pigs feet,

Vie: Yes, hoofs

Tim: hoofs, cartilage certain things and he would grind them.

Vie: bones

Tim: he would grind them and use them for paste, either to eat because of internal issues or to put on wounds and stuff. But he also talks, he doesn’t, he talks a lot about the animal products using it, using the whole animal. He does talk about the plant products but he is very specific. He said, something like, if you don’t know the plant

Vie: yeah, you can’t just know, you can’t just know the name and the form of the plant, you have to be conversant with its therapeutic properties. That’s the way it’s translated in the P.V. Sharma English translation. Which is amazing. Conversant. And when they say conversant, they mean you have to be an expert with it.

16:57 Tim: Yes. Because I know and today again back to being bastardized stuff, we did a YouTube on it a while ago. Lavender is something that, every yoga class I take now they want to sprinkle lavender zest on you or something.

Vie: mist

Tim: Yeah, so it’s, but lavender is actually very unhealthy for men.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: Men should not even be around it. They should run the other direction if it comes close to them. There’s a lot of negative effects of lavender. And they’re putting this on boys and on men and anyone that walks through the door.

Vie: And it has a lot of contraindications because it doesn’t play well with certain medications too. So it’s not to be taken lightly.

Tim: Like they are taking it.

Vie: Exactly. And even, even just the lavender in soaps, like shower soaps and - still that’s not, yeah, if, if you have the option stay away from lavender in your soaps.

Tim: In everything.

Vie: In everything actually, in everything. 

18:07 Tim: So we have that type of an issue going, but I also want to, there’s an herb that’s also in the yoga world

Vie: ashwagandha

Tim: Every yoga teacher has told me lately, ashwagandha, ashwagandha, everybody’s saying take ashwagandha. Tell me about ashwagandha.

18:19 Vie: Well, ashwagandha is actually a night shade, which means that, it has, it has certain ingredients in there that are very, very powerful, they are actually used for medications because of how powerful they are. But if it’s, if you are taking in more than your body can handle and depending on your sensitivity, it can have inflammatory effects in your body. And, the reason the, the reason the world has become more aware of ashwagandha now is - well it’s used a lot more unfortunately -

Tim: Yeah. It’s even on TV, you can buy it,

Vie: Yes, can you believe that?

Tim: it’s all for brain power, focus and stuff

Vie: Focus, as a nootropic, yeah

Tim: And that’s, they’re doing nootropics to help the brain because people are not, are getting brain fog because they’re eating too many vegetables.

Vie: And they are not eating enough fat.

Tim: Yes.

19:24 Vie: So back to the night shades. The world is becoming more aware of night shades because of the issue with gluten. So a lot of people who were diagnosed with celiac disease moved away from gluten but, because they didn’t change their nutrition as they should have been, take a look at all of your nutrition, they went, they replaced the gluten products with gluten free products. And the gluten free products are full of potato starch. Because you have to have something, right

Tim: Yes.

Vie: Say you are talking about bread or bagels or whatever. You need the glue to keep the stuff together. So they are using potato starch instead. Potato, all potatoes except sweet potatoes are a night shade. So what happened is - people who had celiac disease moved away from gluten for three to six months, their symptoms went away, and then all of a sudden those symptoms came back. Internal inflammation.

20:36 Tim: Yes. So, so the night shades create inflammation.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: And so

Vie: Goji berries are a nightshade.

Tim: So a lot of people that don’t even know they’re nightshade sensitive are eating too much nightshades.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: And even if you aren’t night shade sensitive, they still affect you to some degree.

Vie: Exactly. And the way to put it ayurvedically. I love ayurveda, gives me the answer for everything. The way to put it ayurvedically. Think of nightshades as having the pungent quality in excess. The pungent taste, the pungent taste aggravates the Vata bioenergy, the Vata dosha.

21:22 Pungent taste aggravates Vata period.

Tim: And that’s the first to go out.

Vie: And that’s your first dosha, that’s your first bioenergy to go out of balance because it’s all about movement. And what is Vata? Vata is an excess of most likely the dry quality and the light quality. And that means your gut membrane is going to start becoming more, a lot easier to penetrate and all of that stuff. So you are creating a haven for inflammation. The pungent quality aggravates Vata and we are taking the pungent quality inside us way more than we should be taking it.

22:19 Tim: So I’m glad I had the ribeye today with a lot of butter because it takes care of the Vata.

Vie: Exactly. And the black pepper, back to - all peppers, all peppers are night shades except the black pepper. And if you want the pungent quality in your digestion, because the ayurveda person will tell me - you need it for your juices and to ignite your digestive fire, blah, blah, blah - Charaka says use ginger.

Tim: Perfect.

Vie: Ginger with honey and lime or lemon, and a little bit of Himalayan salt and that is your ginger appetizer. And you have that ideally room temperature, a little bit say 10 to 20 minutes before food. If you forget it,

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Episode Transcript

Tim: Hello, this is Tim

Vie: And this is Vie, and we welcome you to another episode of the Spartan mind strength podcast.

Tim: And this is number two of the special edition of the meat of ayurveda.

Vie: Stay tuned. We’ll be right back.

Tim: And we’re back. But first, before we start, did you like, did you share, did you follow, did you ask to join our brunch club?

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Tim: Did you most importantly, did you

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Tim: In yoga, every teacher training I went to, one of the main books they talked about was the

Vie: The Bhagavad Gita.

Tim: Yes. Can you tell me where, and I know it’s major, but how did it come to the West?

Vie: the Bhagavad Gita is a section of the Mahabharata, of the great battle. And, so it is only a section, the Bhagavad Gita. And it’s like a self contained section because it pretty much describes the dialogue of Arjuna with Krishna.

Tim: And Arjuna was a prince?

Vie: Arjuna was yes, a very well to do individual from, they were like five brothers and Arjuna was one of them. And, Arjuna did not wanna go to battle. He had some ethical dilemmas and there is a dialogue that’s going on between him and Krishna

Tim: And Krishna is reincarnated

Vie: Reincarnation of Vishnu. And Krishna was like his mentor to bounce off ideas. Yes. And, so that’s where the Bhagavad Gita. So the Bhagavad Gita is presented as the gospel of yoga, but, but also it has to be taken in with a grain of salt for today’s context, because it was written as an Epic for part of the Mahabharata to serve a purpose for the community of that specific place and time.

Tim: Ok.

Vie: It was not written as Ayurveda was written, as a blueprint. And that’s, that’s how it needs to be taken though.

Tim: Yeah. But I want to bring this in because one of the, and where I’m going with all of this is I keep I’ve been told for the last 20 some years that we, in order to practice yoga, as a Yogi, I need to be basically eating a vegetarian or vegan diet and it didn’t work for me at all. And, but there’s so much literature out there in the yogic world that talks about eating meat to thrive.

Vie: Exactly.

Tim: And the main book of the yogis who are telling me that I gotta to be vegan or vegetarian talks about eating meat.

Vie: Yes, Bhagavad Gita does. Yeah. Talks about

Tim: That’s why I want to bring this up.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: So, so there’s a guy in the Bhagavad Gita

Vie: Bheem or Bheema.

Tim: Yup, and he’s one of the brothers.

Vie: Yes. He is Arjuna’s brother. Yeah. One of his brothers.

Tim: And he was so strong that he could, he could kill, he was, had the strength of what 10,000 elephants.

Vie: Elephants. Yeah.

Tim: Which is a pretty strong guy.

Vie: Yeah. He’s described as killing his enemy, breaking his enemy’s back on his knees.

Tim: Yep. So, so he was able to break the enemy’s back on his knees.

Vie: Which means he had strong bones.

Tim: Also he killed demons.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: So not only was he such a strong, but he was also a demi - God or a God, what is it?

Vie: He was, he was the son of Vayu of the

Tim: God of wind.

Vie: The God of Wind. Yes.

Tim: And that’s, that is Hanuman’s

Vie: That’s, yeah, he was also considered the brother of Hanuman.

Tim: Who also was an extremely strong deity.

Vie: Yes. And they were both him and Hanuman were extremely good with the mace.

Tim: Yes. Which, which is gada also.

Vie: Gada, yes.

Tim: So they were very good at, weapons.

Vie: And he was very loving and compassionate

Tim: And loyal

Vie: And loyal to his community. Yes.

Tim: So we’re looking at somebody that was very important in one of the most important books, at least in the West for Hatha yoga.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: So, in Hatha yoga, it’s almost taught in every 200 or at least part of it is taught in a 200, which is one of the main classes that you have to take to be a yoga teacher. And it’s usually almost taught in every 300, at least parts of it. So we have this, and I don’t even know what the word is, where they’re saying that you need to be peaceful, you need to be

Vie: Yes. So it is taken, so some, you know the way they teach it and that’s exactly what I was saying in the beginning, they will, they will tell you in pretty much every class that, he was, he, he had a lot of wrath or something against his enemies and he didn’t care about the animals. And then his family was trying to tell him, don’t kill the animals, and

Tim: We are talking back to Bheema again.

Vie: Back to Bheema, yeah. So that’s how they will tell you about don’t eat meat. So it was not right that he was,

Tim: But and I want to get into, he would eat, in the book it says that fruits and weeds

Vie: And leaves and his stomach was growling,

Tim: He was never satisfied.

Vie: Exactly.

Tim: So the only thing that satisfied him was, not only thing, but one of the things that satisfied him was a doe, deer, a doe cooked in its own fat

Vie: fat and juices, yes, and he would only eat one meal a day and he was good.

Tim: He fasted the rest of the time.

Vie: Exactly.

Tim: But one of the other things that it said is that he ate half the meal. So if it was one deer, he ate half the deer, but his four brothers and their wife ate the other half of the deer. So even Arjuna was eating deer.

Vie: Exactly. Yes. Everybody was

Tim: Which by the way I love venison, so yeah.

Vie: Yes, everybody, everybody was eating meat at the time because that was the nutrient dense food for them. They had tried the leaves and the fruit, and

Tim: And the part of they’re talking about, where I’m bringing this to is what was the, the deer people. And the deer people came and said that you’re eating too many deer and we’re, we’re, we’ll be gone if you continue to eat us because you’re not letting us reproduce.

Vie: Reproduce, exactly.

8:35 Tim: So their main thing wasn’t to stop eating deer, it was to allow them to rebuild their

Vie: To do it exactly, to do it in a dynamic balance

Tim: Ethically.

Vie: Ethically. Exactly. Do it ethically.

Tim: You don’t make the venison extinct.

Vie: That’s the idea. Yes. Do it ethically. We are part, we are part of the continuum of the earth, right, we are part of it. Everything is, actually Charaka writes that there is nothing on this earth that cannot be considered good for us if used properly. And we have the animal kingdom, we have the plant kingdom, we have the mineral kingdom. Whatever we do, we have to do it ethically.

Tim: And that’s where, with the meat that we’re getting from us wellness meats is they do it ethically.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: Now just real quick for a couple seconds. What is the term

Vie: Regenerative agriculture

Tim: Can you give a quick, just a fast way of explaining what it is

Vie: Yes. The best way to explain it, is it’s not the - because everyone is familiar with the word “sustainable”, sustainable agriculture, sustainable farming, means keep the balance, don’t, don’t do harm, don’t make it worse than it is. Regenerative agriculture is, go a little bit deeper and actually make the soil way richer than it was. Regenerate everything. Use the, use all of the animals, as many as you can, use them in a way that makes the soil way richer.

Tim: So I want to come back to this in a couple seconds. Let’s take a break first and

Vie: Stay tuned.

11:20 Tim: And we’re back, and we’re talking about regenerative agriculture. And so that’s something that they’re, it’s pretty new science.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: And it’s starting, and I know we heard about it a lot about it at the Paleo,

Vie: At the Paleo f(x) last year.

Tim: So is there anything more that you think is quick, because I know we could do like 80 podcasts just on this, but I just want everybody to understand the easiness of it.

Vie: The simplicity of it.

Tim: Yes.

Vie: Regenerative agriculture is actually something that a lot of farms are starting to employ because it makes, like the whole, every part of the ecosystem, it makes it healthier, it makes it better. It’s good for the animals, it’s good for the plants, it’s good for the soil, it’s good for the air, it’s good for our water, it’s good all the way around. And once you start doing it, it’s simpler and simpler because it’s natural, right.

Vie: That’s how nature

Tim: That’s the past. History.

Vie: That’s history. Exactly. And nature, nature is extremely smart. Nature is extremely wise at keeping its balance, its dynamic balance, Nature adapts. So once a farm starts doing it, it comes easier and easier and the rewards are huge. So nature, nature tends to keep its homeostasis, its balance, its relative balance and actually repair itself. Whereas us as humans, when we go too far out of balance and ayurveda says that, then what we think our homeostasis is, is not the way it should be.

13:30 Tim: So the whole concept of, you know, what your body will tell you what you need.

Vie: Exactly. Yeah. It’s not correct. If your body and mind are, are far enough out of balance they don’t know what’s good for them. So they crave, what is, what’s gonna keep them further out of balance. Whereas nature, thank goodness is still wise enough and relatively balanced to know to repair itself.

Tim: So that’s, so that’s where regenerative, and I know we, we studied with Paul Chek a long time ago,

Vie: Yes.

Tim: And he was one of the big guys on dirt.

14:14 Vie: The soil, the soil, the soil, the soil. .

Tim: And that was his whole thing is, is learn about the dirt, learn about how the plant grows in the dirt. And if we don’t fix the dirt, we can’t fix the plant, which can’t fix the animal, which can’t fix us.

Vie: Exactly, exactly. So, and, he, yeah, he goes major, major on the health of the soil and all the intrisics of what’s going on in creating the soil. The soil is a lot more complex than it sounds and how the plants grow from the soil and all the parts of the plants and how then the animals eat them and his idea, and his thing was that if the soil is depleted of the nutrients, then the plants won’t have them, we won’t get them, the animals won’t get them, it’s like all the, the ecosystem is out of balance.

Tim: So you have to work, you have to fix the dirt.

Vie: You have to fix the dirt. And if you think about it ayurvedically, earth, earth. That’s one of the main five elements, space, air, fire, water, and earth.

Tim: Earth is kapha.

Vie: Earth is kapha. Earth is your good foundation. And if your, kapha is all about structure, is all about stability, all about density in terms of nutrients. It, it gives you what you need to develop, whatever that is. And if your soil, if your good kapha in the ecosystem is depleted of nutrients, then you, you can’t have healthy growth.

Tim: Nope. And I know he always, he also talked a lot about the plants need dead animals in order to become healthy

Vie: Exactly. In order to thrive.

Tim: Yeah. So they need that good protein, and they need protein just like, and they need fat, just like humans need protein and fat.

Vie: Exactly. The plants eat organs. Right?

Tim: Yes. And that’s, and that’s one of the first things they go to. Now and this brings us back to what I’m cooking for most of the meals in the, as a chef for the,

Vie: The month of September for US wellness, yes.

Tim: And that’s organs.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: Because organs are so important to the humans,by eating organs. By not eating organs, you’re losing out on so many nutrients.

Vie: Exactly. Organs, are considered the most nutrient dense and diverse form of nutrition. Organs, animal organs have been worshiped, as food through ancient times. Every culture, pretty much every culture, if you search deep enough was considering organ meat as delicacy.

Tim: I know that in some cultures, organ meat was went to the, the pregnant.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: The early, the born, the first born and, not the first born as older, but babies. So you were, you were looking at pregnant women, babies and the elderly.

Vie: And the elderly.

Tim: And the sick.

Yes. The sick and the warriors, right. The first line of defense right.

Tim: So those were the people that were given the organ meat first.

Vie: Yes. Because of how nutrient dense and diverse the organs are. And the idea is that it’s not the quantity of food, is the quality of food that we are getting. And by, by getting nutrient dense and diverse quality of food, we end up not having to eat all the time. Right. And being able to feel better, think better and maintain that dynamic balance between us and our community and actually improve, improve, improve the life of our community.

Tim: So we were talking about liver there for a couple seconds.

Vie: We didn’t talk about liver.

Tim: No? I thought you said

Vie: Organs.

Tim: Organs, but liver is the main one.

Vie: Liver is the main one of all organs. Liver is the most priced of all organ meat. Yes.

Tim: And just to, just before we end this, it’s what four ounces a week is all we need?

Vie: Yes. The, the Weston Price foundation says, and then again, that, that depends like the, the size of the person and all that, but about four ounces, once a week, that’s all you need in terms of liver. And you’re good to go. Because it is so rich in vitamins and minerals, it has vitamin a D E K B12 and great trace minerals, mainly copper and iron.

Tim: And you don’t have to cook it just with like liver and onions.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: Which is great.

Vie: And bacon.

Tim: Liver, onions and bacon.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: But there’s also, you can make it within a sauce.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: You can make it in a,

Vie: Pattee.

Tim: Yes. We just actually just made pattee, my first time was yesterday making it.

Vie: And it was very very good.

Tim: So there’s a lot of different ways that you can make it, that taste very good. So when you’re thinking about liver and onion, don’t think back to that time that you were forced to eat it when you were four.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: Start looking at different recipes, and you’re going to find that liver, is going to be a very, very good meal and you can make it very tasty. In this month, you’re going to see that I did the kidney stones, which is kidney and gnocchis

Vie: And gnocchis or yonkies

Tim: Depending on how you pronounce it

Vie: How you pronounce it but that’s it, yeah

Tim: But you can do the liver stones.

Vie: Yes.

Tim: So you, you can do liver the same way and it tastes great.

Vie: It tastes great and you are gonna feel amazingly good. Actually they say, actually, they still can’t figure out what is the ingredient that makes liver to be considered the anti-fatigue food. Like when you eat liver, you just feel, feel rejuvenated.

Tim: I know for you, you say, I eat liver, I lose weight.

Vie: It’s true. I eat liver, I lose a couple of pounds. Yes. Just make sure that the liver is from animals that have been raised ethically.

Tim: Because that is very important.

Vie: It is very, very important. Because that’s, you help, you help the world all the way around, if you choose liver from animals that have been raised, right.

Tim: And us wellness carries those livers.

Vie: Yes, US Wellness Meats

Tim: But you won’t usually be able to get them because we buy them before anybody else can.

Vie: Until next time, much, much love from both of us. Na’maste kala! May we all be well, adapt and thrive.

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