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December 17, 2024 76. The Return of the King.
And then at last over the miles between there came a rumble, rising to a deafening crash and roar; the earth shook, the plain heaved and cracked, and Orodruin reeled. Fire belched from its riven summit. The skies burst into thunder seared with lightning. Down like lashing whips fell a torrent of black rain. And into the heart of the storm, with a cry that pierced all other sounds, tearing the clouds asunder, the Nazgûl came, shooting like flaming bolts, as caught in the fiery ruin of hill and sky they crackled, withered, and went out.
‘Well, this is the end, Sam Gamgee,’ said a voice by his side. And there was Frodo, pale and worn, and yet himself again; and in his eyes there was peace now, neither strain of will, nor madness, nor any fear. His burden was taken away.
The Return of the King is third and final part of J.R.R. Tolkien’s novel The Lord of the Rings. It describes the final battles against Sauron, as well as Sam and Frodo’s journey through Mordor to throw the One Ring into Mount Doom. But then it spends a good amount of time untangling all its plot threads and wrapping up its many character’s stories.
Chris and Suzanne explore these various endings as they look at a kind of ending of their own, as The Spouter-Inn prepares to change its format in the new year to something related, but a little different, from what they’ve been doing for the past six years. They hope you’ll still come around to join them as they talk about what they’ve been reading.
Show Notes.
J.R.R. Tolkien: The Return of the King.
Our episodes on the first two parts of The Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers.
Our episodes on Troilus and Criseyde, Harriet the Spy, Monkey Beach, the Aeneid, Memory Serves, and our conversation with Lee Maracle about Great Expectations and more.
Roberta Mazza: Stolen Fragments: Black Markets, Bad Faith, and the Illicit Trade in Ancient Artefacts.
George Eliot: Daniel Deronda. (See also our episode on Middlemarch.)
By-The-Bywater is another podcast on our network, about all things Tolkien.
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1 hr 4 min
November 08, 2024 75. My Life.
In the museum, attention shifted from painting to painting, the eye forced around, so that it was impossible to focus on any single work. The nightmare was of a giant bluebottle fly which buzzed, “I’m all there is.” Where cars don’t go are shortcuts. My grandfather was forced to recognize his age when another, younger, man offered his seat on the bus. When one travels, one might “hit” a storm. The shoe must be tied to the ankle. As for we who “love to be astonished,” McDonald’s is the world’s largest purchaser of beef eyeballs. They went out with bows and armbands to shoot at the hay. It’s as easy as waves, slopping water. Traverse, watch, and cease.
My Life is book of poetry by Lyn Hejinian. First published in 1980, the work originally consisted of 37 paragraphs, each with 37 lines, composed when the poet was 37 years old. A revised edition came out a few years later, which increased all those numbers to 45. This was continued in an addendum of sorts, My Life in the Nineties. But these poems are not simple autobiography. Instead, they weave together sentences, sounds, and images into a collage that often feels just at the edge of understandability.
Chris and Suzanne use this book to begin reflecting on this cluster of episodes on Essays, Essaying, Stories, Storying. How does this poetry approach form and openness (of what might get included, of how this writing might be understood), and how does Hejinian’s poeming reflect upon certain kinds of essaying and storying?
Show Notes.
Lyn Hejinian: My Life (includes My Life in the Nineties).
An overview of Lyn Hejinain’s life and work, including a longer excerpt or two from My Life.
Douglas Messerli’s introduction to an anthology of “Language“ Poetries might explain things that these poets were trying to do.
William Carlos Williams: Paterson.
Brian Dillon: Essayism: On Form, Feeling, and Nonfiction.
Virginia Woolf: Selected Essays. (The collected essays have been published over many volumes.)
George Orwell: A Collection of Essays. (His collected runs across four volumes.)
Kim TallBear‘s Critical Poly 100s appear in Shapes of Native Nonfiction.
Jackson Mac Low: Pieces o’ Six. (The book is very out of print, but the pdf is reasonably priced.)
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Next: J.R.R. Tolkien: The Return of the King. (Probably.)
38 min
November 01, 202474. Shapes of Native Nonfiction.
We conceive of the essay as an exquisite vessel, one that evidences the delicate balance of beauty and pain. The ‘exquisite’ character of this vessel invokes simultaneously an exquisite work of art and the exquisite ache of an intense sensation. By bringing to the fore a focus on form, in both the structure and the concept of the collection, we use the term exquisite vessel not just to name the work done herein but to draw attention to form as a creative and literary practice of reverence for the exquisite in its most literal sense of something carefully sought out. To essay is to try, test, and practice. The form of the essay, then, is a fitting site for the experiential and sometimes painful work of seeking answers.
Shapes of Native Nonfiction is a collection of contemporary essays by Indigenous writers, edited by Elisha Washuta and Theresa Warburton, and published in 2019. But in addition to providing a sampler of Indigenous voices and perspectives, the collection also offers a provocation about essaying itself, by thinking deeply about the art of basket weaving. What goes into a well-crafted basket? How is that reflected in each of these essays, and in the gathering and arrangement of these essays? Chris and Suzanne look at a few key essays in the collection, and think about how books like this fit into our reckoning of “literature”.
Show Notes.
Shapes of Native Nonfiction: Collected Essays by Contemporary Writers (Elissa Washuta and Theresa Warburton, eds.)
The essays from this collection that we focus on:
Elissa Washuta and Theresa Warburton: “Introduction: Exquisite Vessels”
Ernestine Hayes: “Contemporary Creative Writing and Ancient Oral Tradition”
Deborah A. Miranda: “Tuolumne”
Eden Robinson: “Real Romantic”
Laura Da’: “Pain Scale Peace Treaties”
Elissa Washuta: “Apocalypse Logic”
Two essay collections that Suzanne edited and Chris designed:
How We Write: Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blank Page (Suzanne Conklin Akbari, ed.)
How We Read: Tales, Fury, Nothing, Sound (Suzanne Conklin Akbari and Kaitlin Heller, eds.)
Suzanne’s essay on LitHub about the essay and this collection.
Our episode on Eden Robinson’s Monkey Beach.
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Next: Lyn Hejinian: My Life.
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October 25, 2024 73. Dancing on Our Turtle’s Back.
Storytelling is an emergent practice, and meaning for each individual listener will necessarily be different. The relationships between the storyteller and the listeners become the nest that cradles the meaning. The storyteller creates both the context and the content and collectively a plurality of meanings are generated through the experiences of the audience. The “analysis” and the “critical examination” are done with the utmost care and respect. Nishnaabeg storytellers, when telling in English, will use phrases such as “maybe it happened this way,” “some people say that’s what happened, I don’t know, I wasn’t there” or “I heard it happened that way, but I don’t know.” Revealing that one can only speak about what they know to be true from direct experience.
Leanne Betasamosake Simpson’s nonfiction book Dancing on Our Turtle’s Back: Stories of Nishnaabeg Re-Creation, Resurgence and a New Emergence (2011) considers what “resurgence” might mean for Indigenous people and communities. Her ways of thinking about resurgence are intimately connected to her thinking about story, especially the many forms of creation story. Suzanne and Chris reflect on and respond to Simpson's conceptions of what story is, how it relates to the essay, and what it makes possible.
Show Notes.
Leanne Betasamosake Simpson: Dancing On Our Turtle's Back: Stories of Nishnaabeg Re-Creation, Resurgence, and a New Emergence.
Leanne Simpson’s website.
Other books by Simpson include A Short History of the Blockade, Noopiming: The Cure for White Ladies, and Rehearsals for Living (with Robyn Maynard).
Our episodes on Lee Maracle’s Memory Serves, Ovid’s Metamorphoses, and Augustine’s Confessions
Next: Elissa Washuta and Theresa Warburton, eds. Shapes of Native Nonfiction: Collected Essays by Contemporary Writers.
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October 18, 202472. The Essays of Michel de Montaigne.
When lately I retired to my house resolved that, in so far as I could, I would cease to concern myself with anything except the passing in rest and retirement of the little time I still have to live, I could do my mind no better service than to leave it in complete idleness to commune with itself, to come to rest, and to grow settled; which I hoped it would thenceforth be able to do more easily, since it had become graver and more mature with time. But I find (variam semper dant otia mentem),
that, on the contrary, like a runaway horse, it is a hundred times more active on its own behalf than ever it was for others. It presents me with so many chimeras and imaginary monsters, one after another, without order or plan, that in order to contemplate their oddness and absurdity at leisure, I have begun to record them in writing, hoping in time to make my mind ashamed of them.
The Spouter-Inn returns with an experiment. We recorded four episodes over a busy weekend, and our cluster topic was "Essays, Essaying, Stories, Storying". We decided, this time, to put a “classic” text in conversation with some much more recent works. Let’s see where this path takes us?
Michel de Montaigne’s Essays are often described as the origin of the genre. But his writings are almost nothing like the kinds of essays we read in magazines or write for academic assignments. Montaigne’s pieces are meandering and personal, and often only tangentially related to the topics they are nominally “about”. Chris and Suzanne read a few of these essays and follow them wherever they might go.
Show Notes.
Michel de Montaigne: Essays (trans. M.A. Screech). Also available on Project Gutenberg (trans. Charles Cotton) and on the HyperEssays website.
The essays we look at:
On Idleness (1.8)
On Liars (1.9)
On the Power of the Imagination (1.20)
On Friendship (1.27)
On the Education of Children (1.25)
Our episodes on Leaves of Grass and the Symposium.
Étienne de La Boétie.
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Next: Leanne Betasamosake Simpson:Dancing On Our Turtle's Back: Stories of Nishnaabeg Re-Creation, Resurgence, and a New Emergence.
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October 10, 2023 71. Troilus and Criseyde.
Allas, of me, unto the worldes ende,
Shal neither been ywriten nor ysonge
No good word, for thise bokes wol me shende.
O, rolled shal I been on many a tonge;
Thurghout the world my belle shal be ronge;
And wommen most wol hate me of alle.
Allas, that swich a cas me sholde falle!
(Alas! Until the end of the world, no good word will be written or sung about
me, because these books will utterly shame me. Oh, I will be rolled on many a
tongue, throughout the world my bell will be rung — and women will hate me
most of all. Alas, that such a thing should happen to me!)
Geoffrey Chaucer’s narrative poem Troilus and Criseyde tells a love story
— if by “love” you mean romantic obsession, coercion, and worse — all set
during the Trojan War. Chris and Suzanne talk about how this book explores the
interiority of its characters, how it depicts independence and politics, and
how it explores the way narratives unfold within systems of tropes and
traditions.
Show Notes.
Geoffrey Chaucer: Troilus and Criseyde (in the
original and in a
modernization).
Other works by Chaucer: The Canterbury
Tales; The
Riverside Chaucer (i.e., his complete works).
Our episode on the Iliad.
(The Spouter-Inn will in fact turn five years old in January.)
Boccaccio: Il Filostrato.
Our episodes on Paradiso, Consolation of
Philosophy, and the
Metamorphoses.
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September 19, 2023 70b. Bonus: Dick Davis on Translating Persian Poetry.
There’s a feeling, I think, in English poetry that you have to be original.
That feeling isn’t really there in Persian poetry until the very modern
period. Then it is. But before then, there’s a kind of sense that there’s this
vast treasury of possibilities in poetry which everybody has used—and you can
use them too.
Dick Davis is an award-winning poet and translator, famous for his
translations of medieval Persian poetry. He has translated Attar’s The
Conference of the Birds and Nezami’s Layli and Majnun (both covered on The
Spouter-Inn), as well as Ferdowsi’s Shahnameh, and his most recent translation
is The Mirror of My Heart: A Thousand Years of Persian Poetry by Women.
He joins Chris and Suzanne to talk about reading and translating Persian
poetry, how his work in translation has influenced his own poetry, and the
specific challenges in translating Layli and Majnun.
Show Notes.
Dick Davis’s translations include Layli and Majnun,
The Conference of the Birds, and others listed
below.
Our episodes on Layli and Majnun and
Conference of the Birds.
Fakhraddin Gorgani: Vis and Ramin (trans. Dick
Davis).
The Mirror of My Heart: A Thousand Years of Persian Poetry by Women (trans.
Dick Davis): hardcover bilingual edition by
Mage and English-only paperback by
Penguin
Jahan Khatun.
Hafez.
Faces of Love: Hafez and the Poets of Shiraz (trans. Dick Davis): originally
published by Mage, paperback reprint by Penguin,
bilingual edition by Mage.
Mughal empire.
Our bonus episodes with Emily Wilson
and Sassan Tabatabai.
Nezami: Khosrow and Shirin.
“Seek a Poet who your way do's bend, / And chuse an Author as you chuse a
Friend” (Wentworth Dillon, Earl of Roscomon, in An Essay on Translated
Verse).
Chapman’s Homer.
John Keats: On First Looking into Chapman's
Homer.
Nizami’s Khamsa.
On Ferdowsi’s Shahnameh.
Ferdowsi: Shahnameh (trans. Dick Davis): magnificent hardcover in three
volumes, illustrated, published by Mage, paperback single volume by
Penguin.
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September 06, 2023 70. Layli and Majnun.
Her voice was sweet and liquid, like a stream
That lulls all other streams to sleep and dream;
Her eyes like doe’s eyes, whose dark gaze would make
A lion lie down dazed, and half awake.
She seemed an alphabet of loveliness,
Curved letters were the curling of each tress,
Straight letters were her stature, and her lips
Were like a letter formed as an ellipse,
And all the letters made her like that bowl
That shows the world as an enchanted whole.
The story of Layli and Majnun — sometimes written as Layla and Majnun —
was most famously recorded in a book-length poem by the twelfth-century
Persian poet Nezami Ganjavi. Chris and Suzanne consider what the poem has to
say about love, mental illness, and fan culture.
Show Notes.
Nezami Ganjavi: Layla and Majnun, trans. Dick
Davis. [Bookshop.]
Our episode on Conference of the Birds.
Maria Rosa Menocal: Shards of Love: Exile and the Origin of the
Lyric.
Our episode on Enkidu from The Epic of
Gilgamesh.
Raymond Roussel: Locus Solus.
Manuscript images of Layli and Majnun at the Metropolitan Museum of Art:
1,
2,
3,
4,
5.
And images of Majnun at the Ka’aba with a door knocker:
1,
2.
Our episode on Blind Owl.
The Letters of Rainer Maria Rilke, 1892–1910.
J.R.R. Tolkien: The Hobbit.
Next: Geoffrey Chaucer: Troilus and Criseyde.
(Bookshop. Also a helpful online
modernized and annotated
version.)
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Patreon.
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July 15, 2023 69b. Bonus: Mark Sundaram and Aven McMaster on Etymology.
Language is so personal and internal. It exists in your head. You can close
your eyes and plug your ears and not engage with the outside world at all, and
yet you still have language going on. So I think one of the things that
attracts people to [etymology] is, it’s discussing something that they
feel they have a part in.
Mark Sundaram is a medievalist
and linguist who specializes in the history of the English language. He’s the
co-host of the podcast The Endless Knot
and the main force behind the
Alliterative YouTube channel. Mark
has a PhD in Medieval Studies from the University of Toronto and teaches at
Laurentian University.
Aven McMaster is a Classicist
who studies Latin poetry and Roman social history. She is the co-host of the
podcast The Endless Knot Podcast and
does production work on the
Alliterative channel videos. Aven has
a PhD in Classics from the University of Toronto and taught at Thorneloe
University at Laurentian.
They join Chris and Suzanne to talk all about etymologies, dictionaries, and
etymological dictionaries. What pleasures are found in reading the dictionary?
Why are some people so compelled by etymologies? How do etymologies and puns
inform classical poetry?
Show Notes.
The Endless Knot on Twitter.
John Ayto: Dictionary of Word Origins.
The Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology.
Paul Anthony Jones (Haggard Hawks on
Twitter): Why Is This A Question?
On Webster’s Third New International
Dictionary.
Ernest Weekley: The Romance of
Words.
Alliterative’s video on nation.
The etymology of feisty.
Ernest Klein: A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary of the English
Language.
Anatoly Liberman: Word Origins and How We Know
Them.
The Oxford Etymologist.
Calvert Watkins: The American Dictionary of Indo-European
Roots.
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44 min
July 01, 2023 69. The Etymologies.
The word “amicus” — meaning “friend” — comes from a derivation, as if it
were “animi custos”, or “guardian of the soul”. And this is well put! The term
for someone tormented by carnal desire is “amator turpitudinis”, a lover of
wickedness. But “friend”, “amicus”, is from the word “hamus”, a hook — in
other words, the chain of charity, since hooks hold on.
The Etymologies , by the seventh-century polymath and theologian Isidore
of Seville, is a massive medieval encyclopedia, with sections devoted to
topics from grammar to farming, mathematics to war. And throughout the book,
Isidore attempts to understand the world through etymology—that is, by poking
and prodding at words until they reveal their histories and the other words
that they’re made of. Chris and Suzanne revel in Isidore’s ear for the
materiality of language, as well as his encyclopedic impulse to gather and
organize everything.
Show Notes.
Isidore of Seville: The Etymologies.
[Bookshop.] [The text in
Latin.]
The only other book by Isidore available in English translation seems to be
On the Nature of Things.
Our episodes on the Hereford Mappa
Mundi, The
Aeneid, Beyond a
Boundary, Gertrude
Stein, and Georges
Perec.
Petrus Riga’s Aurora does not
seem to be available in English translation.
The Latin text of the opening quote:
> Amicus, per derivationem, quasi animi custos. Dictus autem proprie: amator
turpitudinis, quia amore torquetur libidinis: amicus ab hamo, id est, a catena
caritatis; unde et hami quod teneant.
Suzanne wrote about encyclopedism (and Moby-Dick, naturally) for LitHub.
The Glossa Ordinaria.
The First Grammatical
Treatise.
Virgilius Maro
Grammaticus.
Next: Nezami Ganjavi: Layla and Majnun.
[Bookshop.]
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Chris (a poet) and Suzanne (a professor) spent six years talking about “great books” (whatever that means), and are now talking about reading (and all the things that means).