We're back for season 4 with Caroline Kepnes, the bestselling author of YOU, to talk about the book that made her lock herself into an ice-cream shop. The Thorn Birds by Colleen McCullough is a sweeping inter-generational epic that focuses on a love triangle between an old woman, a little girl and a Catholic priest. We talk about destiny in romance literature, Bunny McDougall, the horrors of Australia, forbidden love, disappointing sex scenes, shitty babies and how little we care about Justine. Produced by Caroline O'Donoghue, mixed by Hannah Varrall, music by Harry Harris. recorded at Acast studios, London.

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