In today's Thriving Dentist Podcast show, Gary has invited his friend and co-host of the Less Insurance Dependence Podcast, Naren Arulrajah co-host this episode. Naren is the CEO of Ekwa Marketing and helps dentists across the world with their digital marketing. They talk about the pivot that is taking place within the show as well as Gary's own success in the world of dentistry and how his practice is completely less insurance dependant.