Kiera and Tiff are together on the pod to talk about their favorite team bonding activities that keep everyone feeling seen, heard, valued, and respected.

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The Dental A Team (00:00)

Hello, Dental A Team listeners. This is Kiera and it is a special day. I have the one and only Spiffy Tiffy, TTKD on the pod. We normally don't get a podcast together and I feel Tiff, these used to happen a lot more. We like fix things and now we're gonna hang out a bit more. So welcome. I feel like it's such a treat when you and I get a podcast together. How are you today?

The Dental A Team (00:18)

Thank you, I agree. We don't get enough time together and we are two ships in the night. So I'm good. I wanted to tell you though, ⁓ Spiffy Tiffy sparked this for me. Kiera, as everyone knows, is a fantastic gift giver. You really are, because you put so much thought into every gift that you give and it's sent with love. So I hope all of our clients who get gifts know that like that same spirit is sent in everything that you get. But my point of it is, years and years have gone by now.

The Dental A Team (00:28)

Thank you.

Thank you.

The Dental A Team (00:45)

that I get little Spiffy Tiffy gifts. So it either just says Spiffy Tiffy or it has my caricature who will make a comeback one day. But I used my, it's coming, I know, I know. I used my luggage, like my bag that you had given me. And I was just randomly just like walking along like I always do. This happens to me a lot, like Spiffy Tiffy. And I'm like, what? Like, who are you? Like, how do you know that? You listening to a podcast? That's weird.

The Dental A Team (00:50)

One day, we're coming.

Mm-hmm.

Thank

you

The Dental A Team (01:12)

And then I realized that I had

The Dental A Team (01:13)

Weird.

The Dental A Team (01:13)

my, they were like, what is that? What does that mean? And I was like, well, that's me, obviously. My caricature is on there. So anyways, it was just a funny story that I was just like, what? Like it always catches me off guard when somebody calls me Spiffy Tiffy, or when I get on a client call and somebody's like, ⁓ Spiffy Tiffy. And I'm like, this is so weird.

The Dental A Team (01:28)

you

It is weird and so it makes me so happy that people like get into like who Tiff is the spiffy Tiffy like they're calling you they're like that's like a very very inner circle name and so for people in the airport to be like hey spiffy Tiffy.

The Dental A Team (01:38)

They love it.

I know, literally, literally. And I had

a client the other day that was like texting me. ⁓ We text all the time, me and this client, he knows who he is and he listens to all of them and I know this because he was texting me and he's like, it's so weird. Well, he was voice texting in his Tessie, but he's like, this is so weird to be like listening to the podcast in my car, you're talking, but like I'm voice texting to you. So then Tessie is like saying it back. And I was like, wow, that is like an alternate universe.

The Dental A Team (01:55)

Yeah.

you ⁓

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That's a that's a full Spiffy Tiffy moment all the way around and I do love because Spiffy Tiffy actually came from the podcast So like we really want to throw this all the way back. I just I love a good a good nickname I love a good like and honestly tiff it's just stuck like it used to be like TT tiff tiff Spiffy Tiffy though I think is like the clutch like it is the best of the best so and I mean it's got to you We've been doing this for a long time together and that's I think why it's a special treat

The Dental A Team (02:19)

Yeah.

I said it.

The Dental A Team (02:41)

I don't know how you guys feel in your practices, but if you've got your core person that's been with you since the get-go, I think as the business evolves, you kind of lose that time together because you have to like, Tiff's over with consultant, she's podcasting, I'm running different pieces. We've got like our two different worlds, but I think like, I'm just gonna say a shout out to the founders and their like core person. Have fun time together. Like remember why you got into business together, which is why Tiff and I like enjoy a good podcast time. It's a good hangout. So on that note,

Tiff and I are gonna talk about one of our favorite things, team bonding. And this came up because Tiff has so many fun games that she does in offices when we go in and consult. And I just thought about like, offices don't think like we do. And I didn't realize this, Tiff and I used to think everybody, I mean, Tiff and I can be across a room, even today when we're coming onto the podcast, I'm going into Slack to message Tiff our link to podcasts, right as she's sending me a thing of do you want me to join? Like Tiff and I are, it is a weird.

I do feel like we were twins. Like, I think we just got separated by one year, but like we were meant to come into this world at the same time. It is a weird synergy that we have together. So sometimes we think that everybody thinks like us for better or for worse. And I was realizing that teams don't think about team bonding like you and I do Tiff. You are such a talented person at getting teams to engage, to have fun, to like get lightheartedness and then really dig into deep topics. And so that's where I thought, Hey, it's Kieran Tiff. Like, let's just do a throwback. Let's have a fun time today on the podcast and give our listeners.

Like, hey, here's some great ideas for team bonding that you can do that's fun, enjoyable, energetic, and honestly will bring a little curative magic to your practice. And if you hate doing this, a reason you should reach out to Dental A Team, because we love to do this. I feel like we're just going to put on a party when we're in an office and have a good time doing it. So Tiff, let's talk some of our favorite team bonding things that we do in offices.

The Dental A Team (04:26)

Yeah, think number one, thank you, Kiera, for all of what you said. There's so much there to be thankful for and grateful for. So this journey has been incredible. And I'm just excited that we're still here together. It's been some moments, you know? I'm kidding, not kidding, but dirty laundry.

The Dental A Team (04:38)

Me too. Yeah. I mean, I'm just going to slight tangent. was recording earlier and

I was talking about like 12 systems and I'm like, Oh my gosh, Tiff and I did a labor of love on the podcast. Do you remember that? We did all 12 systems and we talked about how like you and I have hard conversations together and some client texted you and they're like, how did you and Kiera get there? And you're like, Oh, if you see the conversations behind the scenes that we've had for the years. And I say like, man,

The Dental A Team (04:53)

huh.

The Dental A Team (05:07)

appreciation to you. This was not my forte until I met you and you have pulled it out of me, but I do agree. I think that will also tie into team bonding. it's not really a total side tangent. ⁓ I think having conversations and relationships, we were even talking about, we're coming together for a company ⁓ annual planning of leadership and we were debating like, we all stay in separate hotels or do we get a VRBO and we're all together? And Tiff, you said it so well this morning. You're like, it's like family.

The Dental A Team (05:17)

So I was gonna say, yeah.

The Dental A Team (05:33)

When you're in leadership, when you're in teams, you've got to learn to work through those problems and not just run to your room, slam the door and be siloed. But I think that that's what team building and bonding is supposed to be about. It's not just supposed to be the surface level. Like if you really want a team that can jive and energize and be solid, you've got to have these team building. And I think a lot of team buildings, the communication and tip, that's honestly something shout out to you and appreciation. Cause the woman I am today, you have had a huge influence on me being the communicator.

the hard conversations, the directness. You even tell me like, Kiera, just be freaking direct. Just tell me what you want. I'm like, okay, this is what I want. Like, thank you. That's great. Let's move on. And just the, which I appreciate. So I think like not planned. I think that that's a core route to the team bonding and the pieces is that's what you're ultimately trying to get to is that that connection, that confidence, that trust, that vulnerability that you can say what needs to be said. And the person on the other side is not just going to walk away.

The Dental A Team (06:07)

Yeah, that's my efficiency.

The Dental A Team (06:28)

even if it doesn't land right. There have been times you and I have had eyes with each other of like, so I'm going to say like what I think you were trying to say and you let me know if that's what you meant. Cause what I heard was definitely not that.

The Dental A Team (06:38)

Yeah, yeah, thank you for that. I appreciate that. And I think that to my core, it's why, to my core, it's why waste time on stuff that doesn't, like why waste time, period. Just why waste time? Time is like so precious in all of our lives and we spend so much time trying to figure out what someone meant by something they said or what they're actually thinking or.

they said this, like actually they I know that they meant this. I'm like, well, you don't because that's not what they said. So like you can ask them or we can sit here and like keep talking about it. My friends probably love and hate that about me and Kiera, you probably do too, because sometimes I'm just like, how many times are we going to talk about this like boy, right? Like, like I can't talk about this boy anymore because you it's either yes or no. like, so we move on, right. So time and I do think like

The Dental A Team (07:13)

love.

The Dental A Team (07:24)

I appreciate that, Kiera. Everything you said, again, thank you. And I agree, like we've come so far and with team bonding and even just like having fun team meetings, the key is that everyone in life just wants to enjoy what we're doing. We just want to enjoy every day. We just want to enjoy the life that we're living. So coming in and having a stuffy meeting or having a like forced to bond with people situation, like sometimes I don't want to bond with that person and that's okay too. We can still be on a team together and work.

really freaking well. So don't force people to bond together and don't force things that just just don't force things you guys it should be a very natural situation but the point of all of that is my core is efficiency so like don't waste time just what can we do to like just and and I'm not saying don't work through things I'm saying tell me what needs to be said so that we can work through it because I will spend as much time as possible.

as needed, as necessary to work through something. But I don't like the like him and ha back and forth because it makes me uncomfortable because I can't figure out what to do. And so it's a space of just like, as long as it's clear, I can work through anything with anyone. I can be anyone's friend for the rest of our eternity because I can work through anything as long as on the other side it's reciprocated. And for team bonding, and I think

me working with teams, I think that's something that I carry and that I bring to make it fun. It's like, cool, we're gonna have fun. And who I am as I show up today is who I am as I show up in offices too. And so I think it breaks down a lot of barriers. So when you come in and you're like, I am the leader and I am the boss and we're gonna do these things, it's like, no, just be with them. So we can just be with each other and be together. like Kiera.

Kiera not staying, she doesn't have to stay at the VRBO while we go do our leadership retreat, right? Like we could have put the rest of us together because we're not the owner of the company and maybe she needs a breather, maybe she needs, like she could have done that, but it would have broken that bond between Kiera and the rest of the team. So her being like on the same level as us does not mean that we don't respect her as the owner of the company and as the lead to us that she is.

it means that we feel seen, heard, valued, and respected ourselves. So that team bonding really becomes about the team and not just the rest of the team. Kiera's a part of that team. ⁓ But I think, Kiera, I think that was massive information and it was a good spin on it. But I think the fun piece that we bring, think we should, we talk about that. And a lot of that comes from Kiera, you,

The Dental A Team (09:58)

Mm-hmm.

The Dental A Team (10:12)

giving the permission to be that way. When we first started, I think anyone who's like, there's a lot there, but I think anyone who's like, I'm going to be a consultant, right? It's like, I'm going to wear the heels and I'm going to wear the pencil skirt. I was listening to a podcast yesterday, it was like that CEO mindset. And it's like every little girl is taught like you're going to be a mom and a CEO. And we all have that mindset. And that CEO is like, stern. She's like, Yep, GSD.

The Dental A Team (10:17)

you

The Dental A Team (10:41)

We don't laugh, don't talk, we get stuff done and I go home to my kids. And it's just like this like stern, stuffy human. And coming into consulting, it feels like that's how I'm supposed to be. And I know a lot of companies are that way and that's totally fine. And I know it works for people, works for people. What we came into was know we're here to have fun and we're gonna bring out the child-like enthusiasm.

Because it helps get things done and people can love their jobs like I don't want to come in and be like man I do this Stern Stern I want to come in and be like let's play games like let's rally let's shake things up let's make this fun again and watch what you can do to your profitability just by Living a fun life and care I think that's a piece that people miss when we when we decide we're adults now, so we decide we're adults and we're like

The Dental A Team (11:15)

Mm-hmm.

The Dental A Team (11:36)

not supposed to have fun anymore. We're not supposed to laugh at work. We're supposed to be serious. And that was just the movies we watched, right? That was the Devil Wears Prada. Nobody's actually running around like the Devil Wears Prada and loving their life. Like, no, we're here to have fun. And Kiera, think that's something that you give all of us permission to do, because I think that's the spirit that you carry in life. I think it's like a balance for you, and you're constantly on the teeter totter of that. But I, as just

The Dental A Team (11:46)

Right. ⁓

The Dental A Team (12:05)

lead consultant in the company, not owners, CEO, whatever titles you carry, I get to live that up constantly and not have that teeter quite as much. So I think when it comes to team bonding and you asking me that it's because I do have that permission to like shake things up and just be fun and have fun. And if I'm, I tell my, every practice I walk into, every team meeting that we do, I tell them if we're not having fun here.

The Dental A Team (12:06)

you

The Dental A Team (12:32)

I am peace and out. I do not want to live a life that's not fun. So this meeting is like, yeah, exactly. And I tell them that I'm efficient, I'm not wasting my time, I'm not wasting your time. Promise you, I will never waste your time. So if we're not having fun in this meeting, we are not enjoying the heck out of our lives and getting actionable, clear, pushing forward pieces that we can implement right away, why did we even come here today?

The Dental A Team (12:35)

There's your efficiency.

I love it. And thank you for the things you said and the agreed fun I think is such a key element in the spirit of fun. I was thinking about it. It's not quite my best alliteration for you, but I think it's going to be just an added on for you that you're going to appreciate. I was thinking, okay, TIFFs efficiency. We've got Spiffy Tiffy. So it's not perfect because I think it can be taken a smidgey wrong, but I think it's freaking funny. I think we call you iffy Spiffy Tiffy because I can't quite get efficiency, but the iffy kind of just edges for you.

The Dental A Team (13:26)

So it's like, yeah,

yeah, yeah, I like it, I like it.

The Dental A Team (13:27)

We got the iffy

Spiffy Tiffy over there. I'll work on it a little bit more. But to that point, the efficiency, the fun, the team bonding and agreed for me, I don't want to be in a company and this is your space. This is what you do for us on Dental A Team. Fun is one of our core values. It's who I am at my core. ⁓ like yesterday I walked into a meeting, ⁓ and walked in virtually and Eve, our marketer, I she doesn't get embarrassed by this. Like it was freaking funny. I laughed so hard. We were like changing our names. were giving me a hard time because my name came in as the wrong name.

And she was like, Kiera, no, you can just change your name like this. So she put in big boss in all caps and we're on this marketing meeting and I freaking laughed. I thought it was hilarious. The fact that she could say that in front of her boss to me. Well, I also know that Eve has the utmost respect for me of what we would do and would never in her wild streams ever disrespect me. So then of course I pop onto the me. I had to like switch and join in a different way. So I throw in bigger boss with a smiley face.

and Eve like dies laughing on it. And then our marketing consultant was like, and the ultimate boss. But I think in those realms, being human as the CEO and as the boss of it is more fun. And Tiff, to your point about team meetings and team bonding, I think living life on purpose and having fun in what you're doing is the key to getting success of your team. We can talk and we can give you all the tactics. Like Tiff and I do balloon towers and we help you with that. We do a lemonade stand. That's a ton of fun. We do.

Two truths and a lie. do, ⁓ gosh, there's like riddles that we do. There's so many different things that we do that we can tell you that we can spin. We do paper airplanes, we do peanut butter and jelly. Like we can give you the tactical, but Tiff, think it was unintentionally perfect today that the core of how you get team bonding to really resonate is one, be who you are and be true to who you are. I did not want a stuffy consulting company. That was not what I was here for. I did not want the pencil skirts. I want us to deliver the pencil skirt standard while being an approachable human for you.

And that to us is our core. That's who we bring in for consultants. If you are too stuffy, if you can't have fun, if you can't laugh at yourself, probably not the place to be because we want clients to be able to do that. So one, be true to who you are. Two, have fun and make sure that your team and your like you're experiencing this and then do bonding on purpose. Like you said, Tiff, I think it's like, what's the purpose when we do all those games, there is a purpose that we tie to it of helping people like peanut butter and jelly is communication of handoffs.

Like you tell me to put peanut butter on, I'm gonna wipe it all the way up my arm. We had a whole commercial for this, like let's do some real big throwbacks. It was one of the funniest things we ever did because like that was real and that's real life for handoffs. But when you do team bonding, make sure it's intentional, make sure you're human, make sure you're real and make sure you're having fun. I think would kind of be the pretty bow to put on this team bonding. Tiff, any last bows you wanna add to our team bonding funds? Iffy, smiffy, tiffy over there.

The Dental A Team (15:46)

So great.

Yeah. I... Whatever it is. Come on, guys.

You guys can help with this. Everyone knows me now. ⁓ No, I think...

The Dental A Team (16:10)

I'm gonna get you a bag.

They're gonna really like iffy Spiffy Tiffy. I just love okay I'll work on it

The Dental A Team (16:15)

Are you or aren't you? Which one is it? I

think a pretty bow. I think you hit so many pieces on the head. I think one of the pieces you said was, yes, make sure that the games are intentional. Whatever it is that it's tying back to something. So something I think we do really well is tie back to the thing that we want. train teams to do this all the time. It's like treatment planning. I want you to schedule. So it's like, no, I don't have that. But what I can do is put you here. I'm tying it back always to what I want.

So whatever game it is, whatever bonding experience it is, like how can we relate this to what we're doing? Kiera took us all, and this is not to tell you what to do with your bonding. Kiera took us all one year to Disney. And we were like, fantastic. But then right before Disney, she's like, and our goal is to figure out how Disney does what they do, right? And I was like, for the love, we can't just have a day, you know? But then it was like, immediately I was like, gosh, give it up, woman, right?

The Dental A Team (16:53)

Thank

The Dental A Team (17:14)

But then I was like, actually, that's really brilliant because how does Disney do what they do? Like, how do they clean up the trash without anybody knowing? Like, how do we go above and beyond for our clients in a way that mimics how Disney goes above and beyond? And so it actually turned into like this really great thing, right? But anyways, be intentional, be true to yourself, be yourself, and let people see you.

The Dental A Team (17:38)

Tiff, yes, I have softened up a little bit. We don't always have as many meetings or as many photo shoots, but I appreciate that you said that because I also do believe as a CEO, I want people to bond and to be together and to, but again, it's an intentional bonding. And when we did go to Disney and it was a ton of fun, like we had a blast. think our second round, you and I looked at each other, because sometimes Tiff and I, we have a good, good friendship, you guys. We've been like dear friends, like.

The Dental A Team (17:42)

⁓

Thank you.

The Dental A Team (18:04)

I'd put it in like BFF. Like I think if we were in elementary school, we'd have those separate heart brace like necklaces. ⁓ Tiff and I are truly like dear friends in and outside of work. And I sometimes make Tiff not be my friend in public settings because I'm like, no, I'm here as a boss. And the last time we loosened up a lot and I'm like, everybody should know that Spiffy, Tiffy and Katie go way far back in the, like you should be grateful that Tiff and I are as close as we are for the things we've gone through. But to that point when we did Disney,

The Dental A Team (18:30)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

The Dental A Team (18:33)

I think that there's always, ⁓ as leaders, your job is to make sure teams can tie back to that because you might help them highlight and see, Tiff now thinks about Disney very differently, then it's fun, but how can we now make our company this way? And to develop and develop leaders, I think is one of the paramount pieces of team development. So I know Tiff and I were a little like spirally, we had a good time. guys, Tiff and I don't get to chat all the time, so I hope you enjoyed a little chit chat personal on this, also a lot of fun, but I hope if nothing else, you take the core of exactly what Tiff said.

Be intentional, be true to yourself, bond for the sake of bonding, not forced bonding, and really truly have a lot of fun. Teams will resonate so much faster in that childhood fun. How do we as consultants flip the results we do? It's by getting you to basic ease, fun core that helps them see the purpose, the why behind it, but did it in such a playful, fun way. So if you need more tips or you want help with that, be sure to reach out. Tiff and I have a bajillion ideas. I feel like we're like Mary Poppins with our bag full of tricks, but it's truly with intentional purpose.

to help your teams just rise to the level that they want to go, not necessarily where the CEO wants them to go. It's conjoined, it's conjunct, like they really do come together. So enjoy that. Tiff, thanks for being on the podcast. I know we've got to both run to our next meetings, but thank you. Swiftie Tiffy, thanks for being in my life. Thanks for being on the podcast. Thanks for giving all this goodness to everybody. And truly you just change teams lives when you go in there. So I think any practice who gets to work with you or our team that you train truly is super blessed to have that. So thank you. Yeah.

The Dental A Team (19:44)

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

The Dental A Team (20:02)

And for all of you listening, reach out, go to the website, click on, book a call. [email protected] is our email reach out. We're here to help you and your team have more fun. Enjoy. And as always, thanks for listening. We'll catch you next time on the Dental A Team podcast.

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The Dental A Team (00:01)

Hello, Dental A Team listeners. Welcome back. I am just so happy to have all of you. know there are so many people out there that support the Dental A Team in so many amazing ways. And you guys being here downloading these podcasts and having that little, I know Apple allows the like auto download. I always love that. Cause when I'm on flights, I can just, you know, podcast. But you guys being here.

pushing those through for us, being here to just support who we are, what we do is so truly incredible, whether you're a client, a future client, or someone who's just here to listen and you're like, ⁓ you know, never gonna sign up, we don't really have a preference of how you get to us. We just love that you're here. We wanna deliver all of the most amazing information that we possibly can. You might notice we share a lot of information, a lot of tips and tricks, a lot of like, I don't know, feel like, Monica, I feel like they're like.

secrets, trade secrets, right? And people are like, gosh, I'll just listen to your podcast. I'm like, fantastic, do that, do that. When you're ready for someone like Monica, who I have here with us today, you guys, to be like, I'm gonna push you a little bit further. She's here, we're here, and we're ready to help you get to that next level. And as I said, you guys, this is a truly, truly exciting day for us. I have Monica back on the podcast with me today. I am so excited to have you here, Monica. I know.

Monica Gomez (00:57)

⁓ yeah.

The Dental A Team (01:20)

Previously, I've kind of given a good spiel of who you are and how we found you. And we got to record a podcast, if you haven't listened to it yet, about this really hiring tips and strategies. But there's so much to learn about Monica, her coaching style and who she is in that episode. So if you haven't listened to it yet, go do that. And as an introduction today, Monica, welcome. I'm so excited to have you here. And I just I'm excited to pick your brain. love I love watching.

I feel like I get to watch the flow of how thoughts come to you and it's just really fun and I love our time together. Thank you for blocking out your morning and being here with me this morning and Monica, how are you? How was your weekend? How's life? How's Monica?

Monica Gomez (02:04)

is great and I'm starting off my week with podcasting with you ⁓ and this is so fun. This is my second podcast and I'm so excited to be here. Our first one was really, there was a flow to it, right? It was a ⁓ great little conversation, valuable. We dropped lots of gems, you guys, so go listen to that podcast and I'm excited to be sharing this space again with you, Tish. Thank you for having me.

The Dental A Team (02:19)

Yeah.

Thank you, thank you. I do love this and it actually makes me think this is like a little off topic here, but just for a smidgen of time. love the podcast space with you consultant ladies ⁓ on our team because I love that this is a space where I get to, I think I get to share how much I love you guys. Like how much admiration I have, how much I look up to you guys and get to like extract so much.

knowledge and input from you. And I think this is our space of like, truly having some connection time. And we have our one on ones, I mentioned that before, but those are so goal driven and work driven. It makes me think I love relationship and community. And I think that's something that humans are learning again, we're relearning that we need that. I think we lost that for a moment of time here recently and

in the years and we're coming back to that. You kind of don't know what you have until you lose it sometimes and we lost that space. And I think this is our space of true community. We do have our weekly meetings, we have our one-on-ones, we have our data-driven, work-driven time together, but the podcasting space is actually really special to me because I do get to, I get to get to like, want, we get to put you guys out there and I get to just spend this time with you.

And it makes me think you mentioned something on the last podcast that we had recorded together. You mentioned that intentional team time together and that like just clicked. As you're talking, like it clicked for me. This is our intentional time together and instilling that into, infusing that into the workplace. It's really special. And I want doctors and owners and leaders and anyone who's here, dental assistants, treatment coordinators, I don't care who you are. I want you to...

know from the bottom of my heart, this is a really special place and you don't need to go start a podcast unless you want to. But having that intentional time, like coffee time, like go in the break room and have coffee together and talk about your weekend. Like me getting to hear about Monica's family life and Charlie, her puppy, getting to know those pieces of you personally, it changes and it shifts our dynamic. So I wanted to highlight that because as you were speaking, I was like, my gosh, this is

Monica Gomez (04:42)

Yeah.

The Dental A Team (04:55)

something we haven't had yet because this is only our second podcast together, but that I know I do have with the other consultants and it just totally clicked for me because we just, think, mentioned that in the last one. So Monica, thank you for being here. Thank you for letting me say all that and for giving me this intentional time today.

Monica Gomez (05:12)

Yeah, thanks, Tiff. Yeah, I think ⁓ this time together, we get to peek, a little peek behind the veil, right? And yeah, we do have a lot of connection time. It's structured time, right? But the value of unstructured time is just gold. is, ⁓ it builds trust, it builds ⁓ camaraderie, it builds affinity, it builds ⁓ an endearing, right? An endearing kind of sense of

The Dental A Team (05:20)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Monica Gomez (05:42)

of viewing the other person in a different light. So yeah, I think this is a powerful, like meaningful time. I agree with you. I agree with everything that you said. This is definitely a special magical space. Yeah.

The Dental A Team (05:51)

Yeah.

Yeah, thank you.

Awesome. Well, thank you for being here. And again, if you didn't listen to the last podcast, I know this is the third or fourth time we're saying it. You should. This is kind of I think Monica actually helped me choose today's topics that she wanted to speak on. I think they actually naturally flow together. So I would maybe even listen to this one after the last one ⁓ or listen to this one. And then I don't care which order you do it in, but listen to both of them is my is my point here, because today we really we're going to talk about onboarding.

Monica Gomez (06:05)

You

The Dental A Team (06:26)

And you can onboard anyone, but I think maybe when we add in onboarding the right team member, because the last podcast we recorded was really how to hire the right team member and hiring with intentionality and meaning behind it. And the onboarding, Monica, I think has to flow off of that. If we're not continuously showing up as the person we wanted to hire, like we talked about in the last one.

If we show up in the interview space and we're like, this is who I want you to be, but then we're onboarding and we're like, meh, meh. We're like, this is boring person and we want somebody who's dynamic and fun and engaging and speaking to the patients, but we're like, not that person. I think it makes a huge difference. So Monica, as you've trained people, as you've onboarded, you've trained practices to do this, what are some key highlights that you like to infuse into the onboarding process?

Monica Gomez (07:15)

Yeah, great topic. And I agree, this one goes hand in hand with our previous podcast. know, onboarding traditionally has been very much transactional, right? Here's your cubby, here's what you do, here's where you sit, here's how you answer the phones, right? We've got to move. Well, there's a part of it that has to be transactional because you have to learn, you know, what your job is and, you know, the daily to do's.

But I think if we lead with that, it's a mistake. ⁓ As I mentioned before, and we talked about how the workforce has changed, ⁓ and we're leading with connection and engagement and authenticity and all those components that make us unique, I think we, I really feel that we need to move.

from a transactional place to a transformational or transcendental. ⁓ It's gotta be more about behaviors, right? And how we wrap our arms around like this new person that's joining our little family, right? How would you like to be welcomed into a team that would make you feel welcome and received with open arms and warmth? That's how we have to welcome our new people.

The Dental A Team (08:17)

Yeah.

Monica Gomez (08:36)

You know, we've invested so much time and energy in interviewing our job post, our, you know, filtering our candidates, interviewing, that whole hiring process, offer letter, the whole nine yards. And then we just throw them in, sink or swim. We've got to add, we've got to be intentional and we've got to add more value to the onboarding piece because, you know, people sometimes are left thinking like, gosh,

The Dental A Team (08:54)

Yeah.

Monica Gomez (09:05)

this is not the place that I thought it was gonna be, right? Like make it the place that you post it on your job ad, right? Like create, you get to be the creator. You're the co-creator, right? This is your platform. Like what do you wanna create for your new people, right? And I think transaction.

It's always part of our industry and in the workforce, right? There is a transactional piece to working. ⁓ But again, that humanist, right? And so one great tip, I'll start with one tip and I'll turn it over to you, Tiff. ⁓ One great tip is have a welcome packet for your team, right? A t-shirt, their name tag, little, you know, if you picked up little sprinkles of who they are and what they like in the interview, like,

The Dental A Team (09:51)

Mm.

Monica Gomez (10:02)

put together a nice little welcome basket for them, a pen post-it, a nice little saying. I think that's, wow, I mean, that's super impactful on their first day, right? Like, welcome to the team and have everybody go around at Morning Huddle and just give a little shout out as, you know,

The Dental A Team (10:11)

Yeah.

I love that. Yeah.

Monica Gomez (10:29)

how valuable it is to have a new team member. I think that's super simple and important.

The Dental A Team (10:36)

Yeah, I love that. think you hit on something really important there. It's really that feeling of being welcomed, coming into a new space is, I mean, we don't even like going to a party unless we know, a dinner party, unless we know everybody who's gonna be there, right? We're like, I only know two people. Like, is that enough? Right? I got a text from a friend the other day that was, know, or not the other day, it's been a bit, but for, you know, Halloween. And then she's like, I gotta go to this thing with my husband. And like, I don't know anybody. And I was like, okay, like this is, we're all coming into this dinner party not knowing.

anybody else, even if you've done working interviews, you still don't know them. So I love that really just toning in on the personal piece and the relationship, because if you can have a relationship with them, you can, you know, build that camaraderie just from the get go. I think they actually retain information and onboard quicker as well. So I love that. Yeah.

Monica Gomez (11:25)

It's hard being an adult, you know? It's hard being an adult. And I think

in the practice, you know, just circling back to our topic on our previous podcast, fun is really important. We forget to have fun as adults, you know? And gosh, you know, think of it like you're in the sandbox again. See through young eyes, see through young eyes. Put those lenses on and just remember what it is to just play in the sandbox.

with your friends, right? And have like that pureness of intention and that pureness of heart and spirit. I think it's just easier when you can kind of connect to that space to welcome others in. And they'll say, I love that you're here. Welcome to the team. How can I make your week and your integration easier? I think that's a gem right there. That's...

The Dental A Team (11:54)

Yeah. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Monica Gomez (12:21)

super valuable for the person receiving and also for the person that's delivering.

The Dental A Team (12:26)

I agree. I was thinking,

as you said, you said it's hard being an adult And I thought, yeah, I remember just being like, do you want to swing? Like, there's two, like, do you want to swing with me? Like, that's, we don't do that anymore. Yeah. It was easy. Now it's like, we go to, we're in the same Pilates class 10 times and I'm still like, do I talk to you? Do I not talk to you? And it's like, goodness gracious. So yeah, like just, do you want to swing? Like just, let's just have fun with it. I love that. ⁓

Monica Gomez (12:33)

Yeah.

It's easier to fix ones.

The Dental A Team (12:51)

And so Welcome Packet is beautiful. if you guys like put it together, it could even be like ⁓ a welcome note card. Like, hey, excited to have you. Like everybody, we write thank you cards to our patients or we write condolence cards or happy birthday or happy anniversary. Like, congrats on your wedding. We write these cards and I've seen them in multiple practices. So I know a lot of people do them. You pass them around to all the team members or the happy birthday for the team members, right? Everybody writes on the card and it's like this little message.

You could do it as simply as that. Like, hey, Monica's starting on Monday, guys. Like, it's Thursday. Let's wrap this up. Let's get this like welcome card together and a candy bar or a little ⁓ bouquet of flowers, like four carnations. Like, it doesn't have to be difficult. It doesn't have to be robust or like over the top. Just speak to who you are and who they are. I love that. And Monica, something you said was we were kind of prepping for this was you don't have to have it all together. And I loved that because we've saw many podcasts on

Monica Gomez (13:32)

Yeah.

The Dental A Team (13:48)

operations manual and it's fantastic. And I agree with an operations manual and practices come to us and they're like, Monica, we need an operations manual, help us build it. It's like, okay, yes. And it's super cool. Also, it's not a requirement. You can onboard, you can train, you can have them help you build the operations manual while you're training. Don't hold yourself back from onboarding someone successfully.

Monica Gomez (13:59)

Yeah.

The Dental A Team (14:15)

because you feel like things are missing and I love that you said that. Now, on that same aspect, a job description, super simple, to put together a job description of who they are, how they show up and what their targets are per position and then build off of that to say like, hey, in the first week, two weeks, 30 days and then kind of go from there. Now, implementally, how do you build the action out for...

for teams like that, because I'm an aggriance. I love an operations manual. I think it's great, but it's not end all be all. And just because we get through an operations manual and your consulting journey does not mean you're done. You're set for success and nothing's ever going to happen. I think there's a lot of, we could go on a tangent about operations manuals. We won't today. But how do you do that with your practices you're working with?

Monica Gomez (15:05)

Yeah, I mean, I think people ⁓ absorb information and they learn differently. And I think it's really important that we hit on all three things. It's auditory, visual, and kinesthetic. The operations manual or the training manual is valuable, Because it's a resource that you can go to to reference and get a refresher. ⁓ But that shouldn't be your onboarding technique, right? That's like, OK, here you go. Here's the written. ⁓

The Dental A Team (15:30)

Yeah.

Monica Gomez (15:34)

proof or reference book of what you already learned, right? It is the outcome of your training. ⁓ I think, you know, onboarding can be simple and we make it complicated because everything has to be in writing nowadays and there's value to that. ⁓ But really your team, the biggest piece of ⁓ an employee staying within those 90 days is how we onboarded them.

The Dental A Team (15:48)

Yeah.

Monica Gomez (16:03)

Did we just give them manual or written instructions and say, okay, here it is, go do it? Or did we say, okay, this week, part of your onboarding is that you're gonna spend time with every single person in this practice in the various roles, including the doctor. You're gonna sit in and listen to the exams and the x-ray take and the hygienist. And you're really gonna understand all the makings of this practice.

it's important that we understand everyone's role and how we contribute to the entire team. So I always recommend that you hire someone and the first three days, break it up. Three, by the way, is a magical number for me. I love everything in series of threes. So three is easy to remember, three things versus five or even four, right? So three days in each role.

And have that person that's learning write down the most impact. What did you learn in these three days sitting with a hygienist? Or what do you want to know more about? This will spark their curiosity. Don't give them a script. Allow them to of grasp the topics and let their curiosity ⁓ be the lead. Take the lead on.

Here's what I want to know more about, or I don't really understand this, or gosh, I didn't know that, right? ⁓ And that goes for experienced employees or people that are new to the industry, right? That's my recommendation. Allow them to spend three days in every single role, like the journey of onboarding, right? Like, I think it's super valuable. And then... ⁓

The Dental A Team (17:32)

Yeah.

Fisher.

Monica Gomez (17:51)

Again, they could be kind of co-creating your manual with you because what they bring back, the knowledge that they bring back, chances are somebody else is going to have that same curiosity or those same questions, right? Yeah, I think that's a really simple tip. And those also that feedback could be part of your 30, 60, 90 day growth plans. And here's what you're really great at, right? I always like to look at

The Dental A Team (18:04)

Yeah.

Monica Gomez (18:22)

Think about the growth plan like a sandwich, right? Like there's the beginning, the middle, and the end. And so here's where you are, right? ⁓ Here's where, ⁓ actually, here's your role. Here's where you currently are, and here's where we would like for you to be. And like, what are the steps to get there, right? That should be part of your growth plan, your 30, 60, 90 day growth plan, along with the job description. Yeah, I think, you know,

using the job description like you mentioned as a tool, right, to guide people and also for us to understand like, what are they really great at? What are they really proud of, you know, in this job role? And what do they want to know more about? I think ⁓ I ⁓ one great way to kind of get familiar with someone's knowledge, experience and their desire to grow or learn more about is take the

The Dental A Team (19:03)

Thank

Monica Gomez (19:20)

the skills and ability portion of the job role and say, tell me three things that you're really great at, that you're really proud of, that you just are an expert in. And then three things that ⁓ you wanna know more about, not weak, right? Things that you don't, let's take that, negative verb out of it, just say three things that you're curious about or three things that you wanna sharpen your skills at. That tells you a lot about their qualifications. ⁓ And I'm really an advocate of ⁓

The Dental A Team (19:22)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yes.

Monica Gomez (19:49)

eliminating the over-educating and over-matching. This exercise is a great way to kind of level set who your person is, like what's in their brain, right? Like, are you curious about? So I think that's part of like the co-creation of the onboarding and the collaboration, right? This is a partnership, we're in this together. What can I do to help you help me?

The Dental A Team (20:01)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Monica Gomez (20:15)

and stay. think it's intentional and it is ⁓ structured in a way that's unstructured.

The Dental A Team (20:28)

Yeah, for sure. And I think that what you're saying there that co-creation also makes me think of ⁓ like collaborating and co-creating with the people who are going to be doing the training. So if you're not the one who's going to be, if you're an office manager and you're not training this person hands on 100 % of the time, then enlist the team members too. So if this person's job is

I don't know, front desk check-in and she or he has this laundry list of 20 different things that they've got to learn in the series of these 90 days or 30 days or however long you parcel that out for who's helping with those things and allow them to co-create too. And I think what you're saying, the three days, it's like, great, you're learning to answer the phones and confirm appointments. That's what you're doing for three days. You're answering the phone. So you're answering the phones and you're delivering that

patient to whomever, right? You're transferring that patient to whomever they need and you're doing confirmation calls for three days. And then stack on top of that, anything, something you said there, the co-collaborating and the kind of doing it together, but also then enlisting outside perspectives to see what flows together. Because a lot of times our job doesn't necessarily start to end flow in this perfect, beautiful space. Sometimes it's like,

well, I'm doing phones, but I'm doing emails, and I'm doing phones, but I'm checking patients out. And those are very like stark contrasting pieces. And so if we're like jumping them around or trying to do it in what a day might look like, that's very confusing. And it's overwhelming because your brain doesn't operate in that way. You can and you will and you will multitask and they will get it. But when you're learning, you've got to learn succinctly in a flow that makes sense. So you can't start with

Monica Gomez (22:02)

and overwhelming.

The Dental A Team (22:17)

checking a patient out if you also want them to be doing confirmation calls. Like you've got to find, like you said, your start, your middle and your end and making sure that those pieces flow together and having that outside perspective I think can definitely help. Something you mentioned was those like check-ins. So you're having those conversations with them. So that in itself right there, you guys, if you're not, I want you to pull these action items out too because that in itself, that's an action item. So make sure you've got job descriptions.

make sure you've got some semblance of flow on the pieces that they're responsible for, and then you're checking in with them. And I think frequent check-ins are really smart. We do them in our company with onboarding and we continue them kind of as long as we possibly can forevermore. We do these check-ins because I wanna know where they're at. don't, not necessarily like, did you do this thing? I wanna know like Monica, where are you at today? ⁓

Personally, who are you and where are you at today? Like are we still in alignment because that's the space I think Especially being new to a team. I'm not gonna say I'm not always gonna say hey, I Didn't get this or hey, I need help or hey I'm falling behind or I feel overwhelmed or this is a lot because I don't want to look like I can't do it But if my manager or my lead is like, hey check in how are things going? And I'm like, I think I'm getting it. I think I need more time on this

That's way better than being like, I'm overwhelmed. Like that feels better to me to be like, cool, there's space to have a conversation about this. I'm not complaining or feeling weak or looking as though I can't accomplish something. You are giving the space as a check-in to just be like, hey, tell me where you're at. Okay, great, take the space, take the time, go learn it. Or if I need to show you again, I can.

Monica Gomez (24:06)

Yeah, I love that. I love everything that you said. think, ⁓ you know, words create our story, right? And so if we're asking, like, how's it going? ⁓ Are you struggling with anything? ⁓ Our minds automatically go to that negative place, right? So you get to be the creator of the script.

Right. And so if we're saying, Hey, by the way, I heard you answering the phone start, like, listen for the good stuff, right? The good behaviors. Gosh, you were amazing. Greeting that patient. my gosh. I am so proud of you. You are totally getting this and you know, how's everything else going? Right. If you start with that excitement and something positive, that person's already in that positive mindset and it's all about mindset. Right. And if we're concerned that they're not getting it, they're not going to get it.

assume that they are, assume that they are getting it. So gosh, you are, I know you're doing amazing. Tell me all the good stuff. Start.

The Dental A Team (25:08)

Yeah, assume good intent, right? Always. We see that constantly. Assume

good intent. I think, Monica, you saying this right here makes me think.

Relationships are relationships, I say that all the time. They just look a little bit different. Like my relationship with Erin is a little bit different than my relationship with you, but my communication skills are gonna be super, they're gonna be the same with the right words, right? So I'm not gonna, communication is communication. And so what we do is we say, okay, this is how you sell a treatment plan. This is how you project to your patients to get them to schedule. And you always start with a positive. You don't ask for a review by saying,

how did everything go today? You say like, oh my gosh, that seemed, you how amazing was your appointment today? Like you're infusing these words in there to get the mindset, but then we don't copy and paste that always into everything that we do. And I think how you show up for anything is how you show up for everything. So show up for your team the same as you're expecting your team to show up for your patients because that's going to translate. And if you're like, oh, it seemed like a,

Gosh, today was a chaotic day, how did you do? It's always chaos, we're in dentistry. Dentistry is chaotic, your days are gonna be crazy. Life is chaotic, you're right, it's always going to be crazy. So saying that, gosh, was, woo, that was a rough day. How are you feeling? Well, I'm feeling really overwhelmed and I'm feeling like I made a really bad decision coming here. I think you're spot on is my point there. So that was beautiful, thank you.

Monica Gomez (26:21)

Yeah. And life is chaotic. Period, right? Life is chaotic.

Yeah. And, you know, I when employees share difficult, like a difficult day, you know, like, ⁓ I had a ⁓ client last week share that their new hire said, ⁓ gosh, maybe we shouldn't, you know, ⁓ schedule two crowns back to back because that was really hard. And, you know, my back was hurting. And so, ⁓ you know, the doctor was like, she's already complaining. I'm like, well, okay. Well, how did you respond? Right. Because

The Dental A Team (27:11)

Yeah, yeah.

Monica Gomez (27:12)

Because, I mean, she's delivering something that's important. She's sharing and she feels comfortable enough to say, hey, that was really hard. That's really what she's saying. That was really hard, right? And so, you know, again, one of my favorite sayings is, you know, get curious, not furious, right? Don't look at it with the negative lens. It's a great way for you to validate, like, how important it is to be seen, and valued, right?

The Dental A Team (27:41)

I agree.

Monica Gomez (27:42)

And she was opening up because she wanted to be seen, heard, and valued. Like she wanted to be seen. Gosh, I like did those two crowns back to back. My back is hurting me. Are you even valuing that I sat there in fact, right? Even though they could have swapped off with another assistant, but she, you know, she followed him. And so, you know, and my advice was like, you should number one acknowledge that she's sharing, right?

The Dental A Team (27:54)

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Monica Gomez (28:11)

Thank you so much for sharing that. You're right, that was kind of hard. Let's talk about it as a team tomorrow. Let's find ways to alleviate that when this does happen, right? I mean, the patients wanted to start, like they're ready. Let's do it, right? But where were your other team members? Like, let's talk about this. And so seen, and valued. If you can make anyone new, ⁓ a new employee, an existing employee,

your legacy employees, if you can make them feel and create a space where everyone feels seen, heard, and valued, that's huge. That's like you, you will, your team will love you, your patients will love you because again, it's that invisible kind of energy that's flowing through your practice, right? That creates that great space for employees to wanna stay.

The Dental A Team (29:02)

I agree. I totally agree. Thank you, Monica. I think this was ⁓ a really, this is just full of so many gems and ⁓ I love the actual pieces of job description, kind of the, I love your three days, spend three days on it and really just making sure you go through that job description. Look at the to-dos of that position.

Enlist the team to help you. Whoever's gonna be helping to train. I had people specific on my team that were like, these are the things you just, you're stellar at and it's gonna be easy for you to train these things. They trained those. So it doesn't have to be one person. It can be whatever you want it to look like. Just make sure it's built out. You have a plan. Preschedule check-ins. I always make sure we preschedule check-ins and you guys check in with yourself too. think Monica, you gave some really wonderful tips on really making sure that we're showing up the way that we should be.

or the way we want people to show up and really just gut checking and making sure that those things are there. And I loved this. Thank you, Monica. Thank you for your words of wisdom. Thank you for flowing off of it. This was perfect. This was divine. Thank you for helping set up this flow of podcasting today and for just bringing your insight and your wisdom and your years of experience of things that you've seen work and ideas. So thank you, Monica.

Monica Gomez (30:16)

Thanks, thanks, Tiff. This is definitely a gem for me. I have so much to share and so much, I love sharing, I love brainstorming, I love sharing what works ⁓ and all the knowledge that we, all of us have, right? This is a beautiful space for us to, you know, share that. And this was so fun. Thanks for inviting me and everyone.

The Dental A Team (30:22)

Yeah.

Monica Gomez (30:42)

Go out and be fabulous and don't forget to have fun. Have fun.

The Dental A Team (30:47)

Yes, I love that.

Thank you. Yes. Go be fabulous. That is like Trish's famous words. I love that she says that. always, I know it always makes it just like, yep, I will. Okay. No, questions. So I love it. Go be fabulous. I agree. Drop us a five star review. Let us know what you thought about this. Let us know what onboarding tips you guys have. [email protected] is an easy place to find us and.

Monica Gomez (30:53)

So these are the things.

The Dental A Team (31:10)

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Monica Gomez (31:39)

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The Dental A Team (00:01)

Hello, Dental A Team listeners. This is Kiera and Merry Christmas. I hope that you guys are so happy and I don't know, I feel so honored that you're sharing Christmas Day with me. I hope that you unwrapped your packages. I hope that you were able to give amazing gifts. I hope that you were not naughty this year and you were nice. I hope that like, my gosh, like I just wish that I was with you like walking down the stairs to your Christmas morning. I hope that you were with your friends, your family. And if you don't celebrate Christmas, I hope that you woke up today just feeling the special magic.

of this time of year of anticipating our next year. And I just hope that you're surrounded by friends and family and that you just feel love. I hope you feel love for yourself and just Merry Christmas. I am so, I love this time of year. I love this holiday and I did not used to love this holiday. It was my favorite growing up. And then there was a short stint of time where I hated it. Like no Christmas music, no things. I don't even know how that was possible because I was Mrs. Claus.

I worked for United Way of Utah County and I was Mrs. Claus for the year and we did Sub for Santa. And that was a year I realized that there is truly magic in our communities and in us serving each other. And gosh, I just like, I remember growing up like, yes, I loved presents and I love those things, but a lot of times it was just like my family being together and little things. And like in my family, had, when I was really, really little, we had these like dollars. don't know, they were called like.

I to say scholar dollars, but that wasn't right. They were these like little dollars that my mom gave us. And it was like little things that we did that were kind gestures to our siblings, like helping each other out. My family was lawn mowing business. And so we'd help each other with that. And growing up and getting older, I think, well, yes, it's so fun to have gifts for my siblings. The real gift that I look forward to, and I'm sure a lot of you can relate to this is

being with these people, being able to be present with them, being able to share special moments, to be able to share magic with them, that's what makes holidays magical. ⁓ And when I think about like this time of year, giving's not just about gifts, it's about like our presence. So not present, but presence, our impact, and how we're able to like show up for our families and for our teams and our practices. And so when I look at this, I just really think about like,

in the spirit of Christmas, the spirit of giving, in the spirit of that, like leadership and team culture are so important of gifts that you can give your team. And this is what can help you guys thrive. So of course, it's the holidays. I'll make this short and sweet for you ⁓ because I really want you to think about like when we're looking at our families and we're looking at today, being present with our family.

is one of the greatest gifts that we can give them. think of how many times are we scrolling on social media? How many times are we not present? I even think about me and Jason, like we're hanging out together and we are both knee deep in our phones. And I look up and like 45 minutes have passed by and I've been sitting by the person that I absolutely love. And the world is so obnoxiously annoying on asking for our time, asking for our attention. And I think that that's why we get so excited about holidays is we actually have this like

Dedicated shutoff time where we can be with our families and holidays sometimes actually bring out the worst in us I know two Christmases ago It was absolutely one of the worst days and I felt so annoyed because I had to slow down and I couldn't go anywhere and I couldn't call anybody because people with their families and I felt stuck and I felt trapped and I was like this is not a good thing Kiera you clearly are operating at such a high velocity all the time that you slowing down was actually one of your worst days and so I think when I look at like being present in life

I think being present for my team. How many times is my team talking to me and I'm slacking or I'm sending an email off or I'm not fully listening or I'm responding to a text message. I think the world today is craving people being present, of being intentional, of listening, of caring. And I think that that's like when my family gets together, yes, a gift is nice, but the gift of their time and attention is becoming more and more valuable because I think it's so hard to capture that from people. And also I think being present for yourself.

showing up for yourself every single day, having meditation time, having journal time. Like the world can be so loud. Things can be like, we have dinging things, reminders constantly that it's like being present, listening, showing up, engaged, engage with your team. I think about Britt, there's certain times that her and I would just like shoot the breeze and we're just hanging out with each other. And I'm like, those are more meaningful than our meetings. And we're just like trying to rattle things off and get things done.

And so I just think like, if we're giving a gift of presence, not present, how can you as a leader do that? And I think one of the biggest things that doctors can do is to actually be fully attentive in team meetings. ⁓ And for team members to be fully attentive in team meetings, I can't tell you how many times I watched teams and the doctors on their phone, they're not engaged. And I just think like, if you're asking your team to be here and you're asking them to solve problems, but we're not willing to be present,

Gosh, like that's just such a hard ask. And I think as leaders, that is your job to silence them, to be present, to be with the people in front of you and not to be distracted elsewhere. And I say team members to do the same. We've got to also have our minds be there. I could be completely checked out of my phone and Slack, but my mind could be elsewhere. And so how can I be fully attentive in my team meetings when I'm having conversations with people? And I will say like, doctors, this is like, Merry Christmas. Be present for your team.

⁓ I watch often and I see doctors just scrolling on social media, even when I'm there having conversations with them. And I just think if you're willing to do that with me, that you're paying me to be here. ⁓ and that feels icky to me. How do think your team feels when they're coming to you as a leader, as someone that they're looking for, for support. And I just think for your family, the gift of like, even if it's like five seconds, even if you put the phone down, ⁓ even if you just like really commit to be there.

be there. ⁓ Another thing is like to pause during the day like a short connection. ⁓ It doesn't take a lot to be connected to people. It doesn't take a lot for you to just say hello to ask them like genuinely with no agenda, no time construction, not having your phone, not having your watch go off. Like even people is like, my watch like, hmm. Yep. huh. I'm listening. I'm like, you're not listening to me. I literally have my watch to where it will not have text messages come through at all. I use it specifically for a watch. If I need to later, I can have things pop in but

I shut off the notifications because it drives me nuts when I'm in a conversation and I'm having a conversation and they pull up their watch, they pull up their phone like, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. No, it's not uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. You're not listening to me. You're not present with me. So I think like today, practice being present with those around you. You might be Kiera who had like one of her worst Christmases a few years ago and it was awful, but I realized this is, I'm out of touch. I'm out of practice. I don't do this often.

And if we can train that muscle, gosh, what a gift it's for yourself, a gift for your team, a gift for your family to truly be present. ⁓ I also think another way for you to do it is to celebrate people in real time. So the reason why this is a gift of presence is because you have to be intentional. You have to be paying attention to them to celebrate them in real time. like look for it, look for when your assistant does like perfect handoffs to you, like.

They're handing the instruments and they're just crushing it. Celebrate that with them. Celebrate when someone closes the case for you. Celebrate when we fill this schedule hole. Celebrate when we like got that claim collected. Celebrate when like doctors, got that perfect endo, like you got all the way to the bottom of that root tip. Celebrate when you did a perfect crown prep. Celebrate and be present in that moment. Celebrate when patients tell you great things. Celebrate when we get an SRP diagnosis and we went from a bloody profie to an SRP and we told them what they really needed. Celebrate when our team

is like giving a great patient experience, celebrate when our team does a tour of the office and highlights how great of a place it is, celebrate when people edify each other, celebrate those little pieces in your life. This is such a fun, easy way, because I really do believe that we're just becoming a society that's not present. We're giving presence, but we're not present. ⁓ We're so distracted trying to be connected that

we're missing the people right in front of us. And I think about that. We have no social media Sundays in our house. And Jason and I are shocked at how many times we like go to the app on that day. And it's just a habit. It's like these habits that have been formed. And so I think like, can you be attentive in team meetings? Can you be just connected at little points, like busy times throughout the day and just pause and connect? Can you connect with your spouse or your kids? Text them, send out little magic moments to them every day. Like,

Tell them how much you love them. I will tell you like, shout out to Jace, he's such an incredible man. He's like my greatest gift in this world. Every day he texts me three reasons he loves me. And ⁓ sometimes I don't read those with intentionality. I just think, Kiera, he sat there and thought about you. The least you can do is just be like so present and say thank you. ⁓ To give that gift to me every single day is beyond magical. To send a little love bomb, you could even do it in the morning. It can be part of your morning routine of like,

I meditate and then I send out magic to somebody and just tell them how much you love them to be present, to be connected to somebody truly connected, to pick up the phone. My brother calls me and I think about how often am I distracted while I'm on the phone with my siblings rather than being present and intentional with them. Jason tells me he'll take five minutes of me being intentional rather than 30 minutes of me being distracted. And I just think like, a gift we can give each other to not just give presents this year.

but give our presence. And on our team meeting, say that like passion, present, results, solutions are four things we say in our company. We want to show up with passion. We want to be present. And that means we show up with the people in front of us, email, Slack, text, phones are closed. And I'm not here to say that we have to be perfect at it, but I am here to say that today of all days, I hope you take time to go be present with your family, present with the people in front of you, and to maybe give a little bit more of that gift of presence to your team this year.

Be attentive in team meetings, be connected during busy times, celebrate the small wins with your team. And I will tell you that, and this means like being at morning huddle, being connected and doctors who do this have higher morale, have stronger retention of teams because they feel cared about. They feel seen, they feel heard, they feel like they're a human. So I'm telling you that's five minutes of your time that you are giving up to get this huge outcome. You're gonna have stronger relationships. You're gonna have better relationships with your kids, better relationships with your spouse, parents, siblings.

aunts, uncles, neighbors, and I think it's a gift to give. And I think it's something for all of us to do. So I would just say like today, give someone your full attention, no phone, no distractions for five minutes. See if you can do it. And then maybe work up to 10 minutes and just try it and just see. And also for yourself, sit there in silence for five minutes. See if you can do it. Sit there for 10 minutes. See if you can start to train yourself that your, your preferred operating system, unlike mine a few years ago,

is to be present rather than to be distracted feeling like I am present. And I would just say that's I think a gift for all of you. And so today is Christmas. I hope that you're celebrating with family. I hope that you love yourself. I hope that you give yourself the gift of presence to be present for yourself, to shut off, to disconnect, connect to yourself, to connect to ⁓ the universe, to God, to your higher self, to the space around you, whatever you believe today that you really truly do.

Give that great gift to yourself and to those that you love, including your team. You guys, we are so blessed to be alive today. We're so blessed to have experiences. I'm so blessed to have all of you in my life, my Dental A Team family. Gosh, I just like want to celebrate you. I want to be there with you. I want to drink, you know, non-alcoholic eggnog with you. I want to be like, cheersing you on the great things you're doing. I want to be present with you. I want to listen to your struggles. I want to listen to your wins.

I want you to be a part of our community. I want to see you the first Tuesday of every single month. I want to meet you in person. I want to be that cheering cheerleader for you. I want you to see what it feels like to have somebody see you, to know you, to recognize you, to love you, to encourage you, to give you a good like push when you need a push to hold you accountable. That's our gift to you. So if that feels good to you, reach out. [email protected]. I am not working today, but I will be working tomorrow and our team will be there for you.

So reach out. know this is a time where you guys settle down. You are more present. You're not busy with patients. You have time to connect to yourself, to connect to your family. And I think, hey, maybe giving yourself the gift of time to get a team that's trained a little bit better, to get a patient experience that's a little bit better, to help you be a CEO instead of an operator all day long, every single day. It might be the time. You might be able to settle into that and to be present, to give yourself even more time back. be a gift to give yourself. So if that feels right to you, reach out. [email protected].

I'd love to chat more with you about it. And I hope you just go celebrate with your family. No, I'm like sitting there with you, drinking the eggnog, sitting there, chestnuts roasting on an open fire, hanging out with you at the beach, wherever you are. Just know that I'm giving you a giant hug. You're doing better than you think you are. I adore you. I love you. I'm here with you. You don't have to do this alone. And I'm happy to be the person to guide you. I'm also happy to be your friend on the podcast that walks with you every single day. But just know you're not alone. You're doing better than you think you are.

and I'm willing to give you the presence that you deserve. And I hope that you give that to those that you love as well. And as always, thanks for listening. Go have a magical, merry day, and I'll catch you next time on the Dental A Team Podcast.

As the holiday cheer permeates our day-to-day, know that that same kind of energy and excitement can be found in your practice year-round! Kiera talks traditions, countdowns, and culture from a dentistry perspective.

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Hello, Dental A Team listeners. This is Kiera and it's Christmas Eve. You guys know that I'm obsessed with holidays. I'm obsessed with this time of year. I'm obsessed with just so many fun things. And I hope you guys are like, yes, listen to the podcast. Sure. But I hope that more than that, you're hanging out with your families. And if you don't celebrate the holidays, I hope you're taking this time to celebrate you and to just be there with you. guys, I just love the holidays. think that Christmas is more than just about

present and like those traditions and all of that. I think it's just like the anticipation of what's coming next. And I think one of the greatest gifts we can give ourselves is like the excitement that we feel leading up to it. My husband and I were on a really fun trip this year, but we had to plan the trip in like two weeks and I actually missed the anticipation leading up to it. So with the holidays, I feel like every single year we get this anticipation, we get this gift, we get this same excitement that

I really do hope that you guys are feeling that same excitement that hopefully you're feeling for Christmas Eve tonight, going into the excitement into your dental offices for 2026. Like just think about it, you guys, we are about to wrap a bow on 2025, roll into 2026. And I think that energy, that excitement, that fun, that zest, this is really what brings the magic of the season. This is why the holidays are so special. It's time for us to sit back. It's time for us to reflect. It's time to get out of our routines. And I really just hope that you guys are giving yourself the greatest gift of anticipation.

but I hope that it's anticipation with a thought out plan. I know there can be anticipation for Christmas when I have not thought about family and it is a frantic scramble. And if you are that office for 2026, I would encourage you to not be that office. There are better ways where I actually like to have our entire year gets wrapped up by December 15th so I can go into the holidays, have a good time. ⁓ I like to have my Christmas gifts all bought usually around.

Halloween. I like to just have it done and out of the way. And I would hope that the anticipation of how great the year is going to be how great the holidays will be how excited you are for people to get this rather than in the frantic scramble because both can be anticipation both can be great gifts. But I hope that you're giving yourself the gift of like true joy and anticipation of the excitement of the year to come rather than the frantic frazzles. So guys, if you don't know me, I'm Kiera Dent. ⁓

founder and CEO of Dental A Team. love all things dentistry. I love helping dentists and their teams find happiness. Life is my passion, dentistry is my platform, and truly to positively impact the world of dentistry in the greatest way possible. Like this is something where I just hope that teams and doctors have excitement for what's ahead and that your team and you feel energized and not exhausted. And if you feel exhausted, that's okay. We've got solutions for you and I'm here to help you with that ⁓ because

I really do believe that you and your team can crush it. And as we're on Christmas Eve, you guys, my family is so fun. Jason said when he joined our family that Christmas and the holidays were just a good time. Like it has always been so magical. ⁓ Christmas Eve, we're going to be hanging out with family. And it's been fun because we shifted it up. I was selfish. And for the first several years of our marriage, I was with my siblings because my little sister is 15 years younger than me. And so

I really want to be a part of my siblings' lives. I wanted to be there and be close to them. And Jason was so accommodating. He was the youngest of his family. And so all of his siblings were grown, that we went to my family for so many years. So Christmas Eve with his family is very different. And the anticipation and the excitement, I was a little disappointed last year when we were with his family versus my family, but it was so fun. And we were able to make new traditions and...

we were able to create fun things and his dad, I made his parents who are much older, they Jason has a complete accident, ⁓ do family Christmas pajamas and matching with us and to be able to create new memories and new holidays. And I really do think that the energy and excitement and the love that we feel at this time of year can be something that you can also do with your own practices. So ⁓ I think that like,

getting anticipation with clear goals is going to be super, super beneficial for you guys. just like when we were kids and counting down the Christmas, teams also can get excited with this countdown to goals and to what's coming up and what the vision for 2026 is. And so I just really would encourage you right now, if you haven't done it or it's in the process, create goals and topics and conversations that your team can get super jazzed and excited about. Having a vision, having a fun year.

Every year I theme my year and you guys it's not too late. Like we're only on December 24th. You still have like a week before this year is over. So take the time, give yourself a theme, something to look forward to, something that you and your team can anticipate with excitement and counting down ⁓ of clear annual goals, clear quarterly goals, and then like celebrate those milestones as they come up. Like when we hit them, what are we doing to celebrate?

and have countdowns and visual trackers just like we have advent calendars. In my family, my mom was awesome. There were seven kids in my family and each of us had an advent calendar where we'd count down the days to Christmas. And I think, why don't we bring that fun, that zest, that excitement into our teams? Why are we sitting here like, hey, we hit production. No, like let's add the spice, let's add the fun. I think teams get really excited. People are like, what is different about Dental A Team over other consulting companies? And I'm like, what's different is we bring fun and excitement and get results.

That's what's different. Like why not make your practice a little more fun? So I think that you guys could build like a gold tree in December where every like scheduled case you get is an ornament and it can be super, super fun. Like you guys don't want to bear Christmas tree. So maybe consider that. Maybe we have something that kicks off in January where we have snowflakes and or we donate and we give back. Like we talked about at Thanksgiving time. Could you create visual countdowns for Thanksgiving where it's like

for all the number of cases we do, we're gonna donate to a family in need. I don't know. There's so many ways you can do it. And I don't think doctors, is for you. This is why it's a Dental A Team and dentist and team podcast. Team members, like let's get your ideas. Let's get you on the podcast. Listen to this episode, share this with your team. But like, how can we build visual countdowns and have a fun time? Because again, the anticipation with clear goals is what's gonna help you guys this season. So number two, I think something that you guys can do is like,

just like on Christmas Eve, like build traditions that fuel culture. I was talking to an office and they were dressing up as wicked. And I said, my gosh, are you guys gonna go to the wicked opening? And they hadn't thought about that, like wicked part two. And like, that's the fun stuff that fuels culture. So like, what can we do just like at the holidays? Like we all get excited for the charcuterie boards or for the matching pajamas or for stockings or in my family, we did baby stockings on the tree in addition to regular stockings.

We had countdown chains, had advent calendars. The holidays are so special because of the traditions. And so what traditions can you guys put into place in your practice? So could we have our tradition at like end of quarters when we crush it, we do X, Y, Z that people can look forward to it. We can get excited for it, that our goals are leading us to these like fun ideas. Could we do annual CE trips or retreats that everybody looks forward to? Our company cut them and then they got sad about it. And then we like, I get it.

There can be pieces, but like this is culture. Our team all gets excited for fun Friday on morning huddle. We all get excited for ⁓ Wednesday is core value shout out days. Like all these little things drive and thrive with culture. And so what can you guys do that can make it fun? Can we have a shout out jar that everybody gets gifts? Can we do like, I don't know, once a quarter, we do a, our favorite things, gift swap. So many little things that are going to just building traditions that are going to fuel your culture because

We have the countdown of anticipation of goals, but goals are not met with crummy cultures. A lot of times when I look at offices, I'm like, how is the culture? How was the leader? Those things are going to impact you far more than anything else. And so what is the tradition of culture that you guys can do? And I have a practice and they started celebrating their team. So every single month they had shout out jars and we shifted a whole culture who used to be like mean girls status. They were actually just women. There were men too, but like the movie mean girls.

to being this team of loyalty, of camaraderie, my team was even that way. I remember saying like, I felt like I used to be on Johnny Depp's ship. I was in the middle of the ocean, my boat was burning. My team was not a great culture. And when you start to do these little culture burns, so for us it's Friday five, it's the shout outs every single Wednesday, it's annual retreats, it's two events in person, it's our holiday party, everybody gets excited for it. Live to give is a part of our company.

First Friday of the month in our team is half day Fridays. Those of you who work on Fridays, you know that's a big deal. Those of you who don't work Fridays, pretend it's a half day Thursday. But just things that your team can really just get excited about. And so I'd say like, pick maybe one team tradition that you can start in January and carry all year long. And this does not mean doctors, have to do it. Luckily in every quarter, there are three months and there are usually three departments in a practice. We've got our front office team. We've got our dental assistants and our hygienists. If we wanna do...

front office, clinical team, dental assistants and hygienists and doctors. You can do that too, but you can rotate. So that way there's traditions, there's things that we look forward to. There's an office who does Dip Tuesday and they bring all sorts of dips, ⁓ vegetable dip, chip dip, you name it. And they just have a ton of fun. And I think that's what makes work not feel like work. That's what makes us, ⁓ holidays to me are the sprinkles on a cupcake. The cupcakes nice, but when I get sprinkles added, it's more fun.

And so traditions and anticipation and countdown, just like the holidays, that's what's more fun. Those are the sprinkles. Those are the sparkles. Those are the excitement. ⁓ And then I think step three on this of like, how can we build this anticipation within our practices is for you to truly like giving a gift of growth. And that is oftentimes like we talked about the anticipation, the excitement. And so growth is going to be what helps your team thrive.

I remember Tony Robbins, you guys know I love Tony. He said that progress equals happiness. And so in your team, what is the progress for each team member? What are the things that they can grow towards? How are we growing as a team? So are we doing new systems? Are we doing new processes? Are we going to expand the roles? Are we going to have consulting or CE that's gonna open doors and help us see things differently? My team was so excited. Like they weren't thrilled when I hired ⁓ a consultant.

But I will tell you, it's been one of the greatest things that we have ever done for our team. Like, of course, they're excited, they're consultants, but they also thought they knew everything. They knew what we needed to do. ⁓ to have somebody come in with new perspectives, new ideas, how are you gonna be able to help grow your team? And I would also say, in addition to this, not just growing them professionally, but personally. So every year I do meet with my team, I wanna find out what are their personal goals, what are their professional goals, and how can I look for little ways

to help them achieve those goals. So when I know someone wants to pay off student debt, or I know somebody wants to buy a house, or I know they want to learn about something, Dave Ramsey's got a class. ⁓ This person wants to buy a house. I help connect them with realtors. Like whatever you can do to make dreams and wishes come true for your team. I think as business owners, as leaders, this is honestly one of the greatest gifts that we're able to give our team. And so just recognizing the gift and the responsibility, just to be able to help your team.

to grow them, to elevate them and to help them. So I really do believe that when you invest in your team, you give them growth opportunities, you're able to establish them into these incredible humans, not just employees. This is when we get excited. looking at this, like, you can even talk to your team, like, what's a skill you wanna learn this year? What's your personal goals you wanna learn? And then invest in them. ⁓ Brittany Stone, no BS, Britt has said it to me many times, to me and to our clients.

do you look at your team as an asset or a liability? And I think about that often, and if you see them as an asset, you treat them differently than you do if they're a liability. And so when we look at this and we get excited about it, like there's so much anticipation today of all the days of the year. think Christmas Eve is probably one of the most anticipated days of the whole year. There's such a beautiful space. And so for this, how can we get anticipation, tradition and growth?

and bring this magic into your practice. I think that's a beautiful gift that you guys can give. so really it's like, bonuses are nice, growth is nice, but it's anticipation that I think is a secret sauce of it. Like I said, and there's the anticipation of knowing where we're going, where we're headed and having those direct goals versus the anticipation and the terror. Both are anticipation, but anticipation that's exciting, anticipation that's fun, anticipation that's predictable, anticipation that creates spice and magic for your team.

And I think this is how you build a team of flourishing people. This is how you build a team that wants to flourish. This is how you build a team that's bought in. This is how you build a culture that's raving team member fans. This is how you build a culture that people want to be a part of. And then you start to post about these things. You share, you talk about it. This is what we do. This is who we are. Your team thrives. You thrive. And so today, tonight, as you're dreaming about what you're going to get tomorrow morning, I also hope you dream about what your practice is going to get next year.

⁓ What are the little fun traditions that you can put into place? What are the different little pieces that you can do for your team? What is the anticipation that we can put in place? I love the ideas of like having countdowns to things like how do get these fun countdowns? How do we build traditions that will be so fun? How do we give the gift of growth to our entire team? How can you truly flourish and grow your team? I think is something that you deserve to have. And so your practice can be as exciting.

as Christmas Eve, Christmas morning. And I'm not here to say that it's every single day, but it doesn't have to be draining. It can be fun. And I think this is how we add spice, energy, and fuel to our businesses and to our lives is by doing the unexpected, by doing the things that bring joy and happiness to all of us. So I hope that you guys take this on. I hope that you know that at Dental A Team, we help you guys build goals and traditions and systems that really do create magic all year long.

that help create aha moments to give support and strength to your teams. So doctors, you don't have to do this alone. You don't have to carry the whole sleigh by yourself. You can actually have other people help you with this and to inspire and to change your team, I think is one of the greatest gifts I gave my team. And if you're thinking about it, I'd encourage you to give that gift to your team as well. So if you guys want that, if you want to feel energized and not burn out next year, if you want to unwrap the gift of growth and excitement for 2026, reach out. [email protected]

I want to help you. want to make sure that you guys are flourishing and thriving and not just surviving. And I hope you guys have the happiest Christmas, the happiest holidays that you think about this, that you get excited to create little traditions. Pass this along. If you're not creative, pass this on to a team member. Have them listen to it. Share this with a colleague. Have it where it's a competition between you and another person. We've got to make things fun in life. And I hope that you guys just know that I'm cheering for you. I'm rooting for you. And I'm here to serve you. I'm here to support with you. And I'm here to grow with you.

because I do believe that you deserve magic and you deserve ease in your practice. You're worth it. You deserve it. So reach out. [email protected] And as always, thanks for listening. I'll catch you next time on the Dental A Team podcast.

Tiff and Trish discuss the need-to-know info for the buyer of a practice, including team member transparency, new patient inflow, software use, and more.

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Hello Dental A Team listeners. We are back again I have Trish with me because I freaking adore her and I the we just recorded a podcast We record a few at a time. You guys know that I batch them It's called efficiency and that will be on my tombstone per Kiera. She tells me that every day It will it will if it's any vision. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is like grating cheese by hand like come on anyways

We are here today and we just recorded a podcast. So these are kind of serendipitous that they're back to back and it ended up this way in a weird way. So I don't have to go down that rabbit hole, but we just recorded a podcast on this seller's perspective of how to ensure that you're always ready and prepped to sell no matter where you're at in your journey, making sure that 10, 20, 30, five, two years down the road, you can sell your practice and that it's not as...

as stressful an event as it would be if you were unprepared. So I can't say we can remove all the stress. I can say that we can remove some stress that is just unnecessary. So today, now, I really wanted to look at the buyer's perspective. And we kind of hit on both a little bit on the last one, but this one's gonna be a little bit different. So make sure that you listen to both. Doesn't matter which order, I don't think. We'll find out by the end and I'll tell you if you should have listened to the other one first.

I know, I know, inefficient, but it's okay. So Trish and I are here today. You guys know I adore Trish. If you just listened to the Sellers one, which you should, ⁓ you heard me just rave about Trish. And Trish, love, I realized when I was recording with Monica a couple of weeks ago, which those were fantastic, you guys, if you need information and ⁓ ideas on training your team and operations manual, et cetera, all those pieces, Monica has some stellar ideas over there. But I realized Trish, while I was

Recording with Monica, I love podcasting. I love this aspect. I'm just a weirdo like that. But I love podcasting with you guys. And I realized in the beginning ⁓ with Monica, it was our first time podcasting together. And it was the first time that I got to rave about Monica and just really say all of the things that I love about her and I think is just so incredible about her with her consulting and just who she is as a human.

And I get to do that with you guys here in this platform. And Trish, you're one of my favorite people to rave about. love all of our consultants. You guys hear me rave about them, but Trish is such an incredible human being. It is impossible to describe you. You're just multifaceted. And I realized this is my brag session time. And I'm like this, I love it. It makes me so happy inside.

DAT Trish Ackerman (02:37)

Thank

I that.

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to just watch you guys thrive and to get to just tell the dental community how amazing you guys are and how special it is for them to get to hear from you and to get you guys in person with them and working with their teams and the leadership that changes the profitability that I've seen come out of everyone's work is so cool. And I realized with Monica, I'm like,

this is why I love podcasting with them because I love getting to love on you guys. It's just so cool. So thank you for, I hope so. Dana's over there. just always like ask her about workout stuff, you know, and I'm like, she's, I love on her too, but I'm always like, what's your hair product? What's your, what's your workout? It's fine. It's fine. ⁓ so thank you for letting me have this space Trish and for, ⁓ always being open to all of the things that I need. ⁓ your,

DAT Trish Ackerman (03:19)

We'll take it.

Thank

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one of those people that I know I can trust to just be myself. So thank you for that. Thank you for being here today. Of course, of course. I love my job. So with that said, number one piece of suggestion that I have before we get into this buyer side, Kiera and I, have been at this for a little while with the Dental A Team and

DAT Trish Ackerman (03:46)

You're welcome to attend, thank you.

The Dental A Team (04:06)

Carers Dental Consulting and Dental Masters and whatever name we decide it's been the Dental A Team for a long time and it's going to stick the Dental A Team, it's not changing. But we have had a couple of renditions and one piece that I know we have gotten really, really good at, but that we've really had to work hard at. And from a buyer's perspective, a seller's perspective, I think this is insanely relative, the people. We have worked really, really hard at the people aspect and

pouring ourselves into the people and figuring out that that's actually what we love to do. We love to consult. We love to be with the teams and the doctors and we love to see all of those pieces. I love being on stage. I do. But pouring into our team and creating a business that's not solely dependent on Kiera and I and a company that could thrive if we're on the road, if we're on vacation, that has been a massive transition in our company.

And once we realized that and we got really good at it, we started attracting some really, really cool people. And Trish, you're one of those people and you do not shy away from letting us know that it's working ⁓ or letting me know when I'm not on my best A game of that. And I love that about you. And I love that about our team. think I can count on any one of you ladies to be that person for me. thank you.

And doctors and business owners out there, think this is a huge piece of selling or buying a practice. And Trish, you mentioned that towards the end of our sellers one is the team and really making sure that the team is there for the longterm, but they're really supportive. know if, you know, we built this company to be a sellable company. That's a known fact. It would be wild for us not to do that. It does not mean that Kiera is selling the company tomorrow, but she could.

if she needed or wanted to. And Trish, from a team perspective, just real quick to hit on that, as a team perspective, how does that make you feel ⁓ for the doctors and practice owners out there to kind of hear?

DAT Trish Ackerman (06:13)

You know, this is a hot topic. I won't go down bunny holes, but I have seen many, I've been with a lot of doctors that have purchased a practice and they have acquired that team. And I've seen the bright side of it and I've seen the dark side. The bright side is what I'd like to share today because we'll put the light on that. And I also do want to, I want to add something to what you just said, Tiff, about how you and Kira are also feeling like

The Dental A Team (06:26)

Yeah.

DAT Trish Ackerman (06:42)

you're in a different space now in the company because of the people. But I also want to remind you that that is something that you and Kira, you built that. You built, it didn't just happen. You guys built that. you do have to, like for Kira, there is a level of trust that has to take place. And I'm sure it's really difficult. I mean, this is a livelihood. And this is the same for these dental practices. So when a buyer is coming in,

Typically they do acquire a team and it is the responsibility of the selling doctor to be very transparent. We can't leave team members out when they get shocked and just told I sold and there's a buyer coming in there. could we I've seen I've seen entire teams walk out like, okay, we're out. We're not we're not dealing with it. But when there is a lot of transparency introduction to the incoming potential buyer, sometimes they haven't even bought yet.

The Dental A Team (07:30)

Yeah, thumbs up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

DAT Trish Ackerman (07:41)

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and just letting the team, ensuring that the team knows that they're going to be safe. They're to be safe. There's change coming, but they are going to be okay. And if they value and adore their doctor, which many of these team members do obviously, and if they've been there for a long time, then they also want to be part of that support. So being a part of this whole process is, I always say number one, like start there.

The Dental A Team (08:07)

Yeah, I totally agree. I love that. So taking that to the next layer, right, as a buyer, I think that would be a a great inquiry when looking at practices, right of what is the team's knowledge on this situation? Do they know that you're selling? How far into those conversations argue how prepared is the team? And really like, what am I walking into? I think is massive. think if you were dating,

and you are on whatever dating platform, because that's where you're finding people these days, right? And it's like, yeah, I have three kids. It's like, cool, what am I walking into? You would not just walk blindly into a family and expect everything to be just fine. It would be, you know, there's a, yeah, yeah. Like there's a courting period for both, for the parents, right? For the...

DAT Trish Ackerman (08:53)

no family.

The Dental A Team (09:03)

boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever it is, right? And the kids, there's a courting period for all of it. And they think that we devalue that in the buying and selling situation. I think, that was great perspective. If I'm a buyer, that's definitely a great question and inquiry to ask. And I think when you're adding additional practices, we have a lot of dentists, a lot of doctors who want to, they have their flagship and they want to expand and they want to reach more communities. And so they're adding,

another family and now we're the Brady Bunch and we're meshing these two families together, but not having that knowledge of who am I meshing into the family I already have. There hasn't been a courting period. Could be really, really dangerous.

DAT Trish Ackerman (09:44)

Yeah, I can. And like, where is this new practice going to be? Like, there's so many things to look at here, but we can cover that today. And I'm so happy that we started with the team piece though, because I just want to have that all over. If you're wanting to buy a practice, where's the team, team, team? Who are you adopting?

The Dental A Team (09:45)

Yeah.

Yeah,

yeah, yeah, who are you adopting? love that. And who are you expecting your current team to befriend? They've got to, you know, even if your practices are, they're never, they're never going to quote unquote work together. Not how, if you've got multiple practices that don't communicate, that don't have anything to do with each other, that's a lot of, in my opinion, that's a lot of stress. I think that's like, if we're gonna continue the dating theory, right? That's like having your family.

And then you start a second family. And you have a wife, kids, a dog, and you have a wife, kids, and a dog, and you're trying to keep these two lives separate from knowing each other. That's a lot of stress. That's a lot of work, and it's just completely unnecessary. You can adopt this practice as team and welcome them into the family that you have, as long as you already have worked on that culture. And I think if you're expanding...

Practices you're buying additional practices that culture piece has to be intact your systems have to be intact So I think buying additional practices is a fantastic idea if that's your journey That's the the road the path that you want to take and you've been called for it do it But look at those pieces so from we talked the seller's perspective earlier And I think sellers and buyers perspective is super similar just like we we had said it's like buying a house so if you're buying a house or you're selling a house you're kind of

Selling a house, you're thinking what's the buyer looking at? And as the buyer, you're looking at these pieces and how is it valuable to you? And Trish, some things that you had mentioned before was the patient base, making sure it's a healthy patient base. I think from a buyer's perspective, it's active patient base, but also then new patients coming in. Are they still getting new patients? Because that's where a lot of your diagnosis is going to come from. And then healthy profit and collections.

are huge. We've already talked about the courting of the team. What does the team know? How are they going to support the cell? I think is a great question. How is your team prepared to support the cell and making sure they're on board? But Trish, when it comes to the, I think the profit in the AR is probably for most buyers, a massive question mark. And when it comes to that as a

a doctor coming in, even if they're going to partner maybe, but buying that additional practice to come on board with yours, what are some pieces that you really look for within the profit or the collections and maybe even down to like software if you're adding an additional practice, what are some pieces you would advise your teams and your doctors to look up?

DAT Trish Ackerman (12:36)

Before I even would go there, would first need to know what, like, what is the philosophy of this dentist? What kind of dentistry is he wanting to do? And there's, you know, we could, anybody can find a profitable practice somewhere close to them even. But if you're a, if you're a doctor that like wants to do heavy surgeries and you're all on fours and the big time stuff, but you find a practice that has a great patient base, good profit and all that stuff by a college.

then that might not be the right demographics for you. So like that is something that you even have to look at first. What type of patient base are you trying to attract? And what type of patient base, if you find the one that is Purcell, okay, good profit, team's healthy, accounts receivable is on point, but it's a patient base that is not going to be super open to your philosophy of dentistry, then that could be painful.

So that is also something, it might be a great deal, but that we'd be very careful about what's actually inside that patient base and if it's gonna align with the type of dentistry that we're looking to do.

The Dental A Team (13:36)

Agreed.

Yeah.

I think that's like buying, you've found your perfect house. You're like, my gosh, this is the elevation that I want. It is white with black trim. It's got an acre of land, which is impossible to find and all the upgrades inside, right? This literally happened yesterday. I'm like, this is the house, but exactly, right? Like it's like backing a busy street and it's.

DAT Trish Ackerman (14:06)

They a train track above it.

The Dental A Team (14:13)

almost 20 minutes away from where we need to be. Right. So it's like, it's like finding your perfect home and you're like, this is the one, but it's completely outside of our school district or our, know, it's adding 20 minutes of Camille. I've done that. I have literally done that. And you guys, it was hard and it was unnecessary stress because there are more out there. So I love that you mentioned that because it's shiny objects syndrome, right?

Like that shiny object comes and it looks perfect. It's packaged beautifully, but underneath that shiny exterior is hiding something underneath that is gonna cause a lot of pain in the end. And I think that is the perfect statement there. Like watch for what it is that you want to do. Know what your philosophy is. What is it that you want to do with your dentistry?

DAT Trish Ackerman (15:08)

Yep. And you can get there. It's not that they can't, but in order to get there, it's going to take some remolding of yourself temporarily. again, I'm going to use the high surgical doctor that wants to do lots of surgeries, lots of implants, but these patients have only seen one tooth dentistry and they've been patients for 20 years. We can introduce that after a couple of re-care cycles.

We need to kind of mesh with the selling doctor and the dentistry that he did and build the relationship first. So as long as the buyer can be patient, can accept that, then it can work. It can work. And it's not that difficult to do. I do think that that's when we come in very handy because that requires a lot of coaching. That does require accountability on their philosophy, behavior change.

And that's again, I mean, I don't want to totally toot our horn, but I will when it comes to that piece, because I think we do an excellent job coaching the doctors through situations like that.

The Dental A Team (16:14)

Yeah, I totally agree. I've worked with a practice similar to this that came on board after purchasing the practice and ⁓ high aspirations and wants so much CE and wants to do all of these things within his dental philosophy that I am totally on board with. Although the purchase of the practice was a practice that just isn't, it wasn't ready yet. And there were a massive amount of patients, honestly, thriving.

on patient base 3000 patients within their database and very healthy active patient base. So the reactivation, the re care, like it was, it was easy to get that thing turning, but it took two to three re care cycles before he gets really start diagnosing the things that he wanted to diagnose. And just purchasing, this was a brand new practice first, you know, first time he's owned a practice. And I was like, you, you want to go in.

and you want to ramp up marketing and you want to replace the patients with the patients that you want. I hear you. I hear you. But financially and profit wise, that's not the way. And that's where, like you said, Trish, the coaching really came in handy because it was an easy space to gently add in the things that.

that he wanted and that he needed with the patient base, weeding out the patients that weren't gonna be okay with it, keeping the patients that were and now being ready to implement some marketing in a few months. know, it's still about a year and a half out from original ownership of this practice. Now we're ready to start marketing, but we had to get there because the finances had to make sense. And so I love that you say that, because I think a lot of people think it's totally fine. Like I can fix him.

Yeah, those things bother me, but we'll train it out of them. it's not really the patient base that I want, but I can replace it with new ones. Can you? Because if you're next to a college, like Trish said, you might not be able to do it as quickly as you need to. And honestly and truly, you may not be able to do it. So I love that analogy.

When it comes to profit in the AR, I think that's an easy space for doctors to look at that they kind of freak out about. But again, Trish, like you said, when you've got somebody behind you, you've got a coach. I know we've helped a lot of practices purchase their, not helped them purchase their practice, but really helped look at the pieces of it. It is an easy space for us to see healthy, not healthy when it comes to finances.

pulling the reports and kind of like going in and getting all the pieces, not our jam. That's not the type of consultants that we are, but we are the type of consultants that will walk you through step by step on what to look for. We will help look at P &Ls. We will help look at the overhead costs and the ⁓ health of the AR and credits like Trish mentioned, and really help to advise and give opinions. ⁓ But outside of that, for a buyer who's adding that practice,

I think you nailed it saying, what's your philosophy? Cause we're adding this practice. this going to be, is your philosophy that you want one of them to be GP and like bread and butter and you want the next one to be, you know, cosmetics. And is that the philosophy that we're going for? Like, what is that going to look like as a buyer? You've got to make that decision first, not while you're looking at practices. I think that would be really dangerous to not really know what you want and then go into it be like, well, this could be.

Well, is that what you want? So I love that. Something I think Trish that's kind of like simple that is often missed is software. What software are they using? Is this a software we know? Is it, is it one we're using? Is it one that we want to use? You know, Eagle soft compared to Dendrix or open dental compared to curve, like very, very different systems. Um, and this is wild. It's 2025, but there are still

Practices out there. I love them dearly. I love you guys. I love you so much all of you that are using paper They're not chartless and in this day and age the practices the doctors who own practices that are growing They're purchasing additional practices. You guys are like you're with it. The technology is there you've got CBT CT scans. You've got scanners. You've got Mobile everything you you're pulling up x-rays on your phone from your dental software and these

practices that you're purchasing, these practices that are out there are typically not gonna be super in alignment with that. So what is that reinvestment going to look like? And again, I think, Trish, back to the team aspect, can the team support it? Are they going to support it? Are they prepared to support it? ⁓ What do you think, Trish? What's your opinion on that?

DAT Trish Ackerman (21:07)

Well,

I'm actually going through something similar right now. And here is my coaching around that. they're not paper, they're not paper, but they are dentrics and they have been dentrics for forever. I mean, honestly, think one of the team members has been there 20 years and this is all she knows. And that's okay. Okay, dentures is great. However, the new doctor who's been there 60 days

The Dental A Team (21:28)

That's what you think. Yeah.

DAT Trish Ackerman (21:37)

is ready to transition to either fuse or curve, one of the two. And we had a long discussion about this yesterday and I begged him, please pump the brakes on that. Because if you're buying a practice and you're acquiring the team and they're going through so much change as it is, and if you throw too much onto them and we go through a massive software shift like that, that could actually drive team members

to leave. I mean, I could. That's a huge shift or just a huge change. It's difficult. It doesn't mean that they don't get through it, but that's just another, that's just something else to really look at. Now, if it's paper, I kind of, would almost, I mean, that's a toughie, but I would almost say hold off for at least 90 days. Like just get in there, build the relationship with the team. I know that the Biden doctor would be chomping at the bit. We've got to some.

The Dental A Team (22:08)

Absolutely.

DAT Trish Ackerman (22:36)

some new technology in there when it comes to software. But when we're buying, those are still things that we do. Either we need to be super slow with and or have such a bond with the team and spoil them right out of the gate that they become our partners quickly. And that is also possible. It truly is possible. But again, building the relationship with the team. If you're going to throw a software change in there like that, then we need to be strategic on how and when.

The Dental A Team (22:39)

Yeah.

Yeah. And I think that I agree and what is massive. agree. And going from Dentrix, you guys, like people who use Dentrix, I'm a Dentrix girl. ⁓ I used Dentrix for almost 20 years in practice and it is, yeah, Dentrix is like iPhones. I, in my opinion, Dentrix is like Apple. Once you're in it, you're just, you're sold. You're like, Dentrix is life. Apple is life. Right? Like I know my phone, the capabilities of my phone is so much more than what I have.

DAT Trish Ackerman (23:07)

and what.

Good stuff.

The Dental A Team (23:35)

but I am so infused and integrated into the Apple web. I can't imagine being out of it and not having an iPhone. Dentrix is very similar. So if you can relate, relate. ⁓ But I think Tresh what you mentioned that I agree. I totally agree. Waiting timeline, you guys. And we're really good at timelines. We are really great.

at taking all of the ideas that you want and being like, fantastic, let's build you a timeline. Let's get this charted for you. And then you know the path that you're going down. So reach out to us. [email protected]. If you are a client, like talk to your consultant, that's what we are really, really good at that. But what you made me think of again is that courting process. Because if you're courting the team and the selling doctor and you're building a relationship with the selling doctor and the team ahead of the purchase,

you're already ahead of the game when it comes to that because they are ready to welcome you and support you. And if you've done it right, right, like I know that my boyfriend's kids will know that a dish goes in the dishwasher, right? It drives them nuts. A dish goes in the dishwasher, right? But that's already gonna be a known fact because there's a courting process, right? So what are the quirks? What are the things that

A team really needs to get to know about you. So it's not a complete shock when you come in. So anyways, I loved this. I, I loved the seller's perspective, but I love the buyer's perspective too. And really being able to see that. Yeah. Thank you Trish for all of that. If you were to pick say three action items for ⁓ someone who's thinking about adding a practice or buying a practice, what would the top three action items be for them?

DAT Trish Ackerman (25:04)

I did so.

Really know your demographics. How far away is it from your other practice? If you're adding an additional practice, how far away is it? And what is the team going to do when you come in? How can you establish that team prior? And how can you get the trust and the buy-in from that team first? Because what you don't want is to buy a practice and then the team leave.

The Dental A Team (25:40)

Yeah, yep, I love that. Demographics, location, team. Those are fantastic places. Yeah.

DAT Trish Ackerman (25:45)

And then we look at everything else. But those

are the time I would start there and make sure that the demographics are good, the team is good, and then everything else we can work out and coach through.

The Dental A Team (25:49)

Yeah.

okay.

Yeah, I totally agree with you. It makes me think of, of interviewing. always say, get the demographics out of the way first, because if your practice is too far for someone to drive, they're not willing to drive there. All of those other questions that you asked before you got there are null and void. They mean nothing. So save yourself some time, check the demographics, the locations you want patient base demographics, location base, and then you want team. So I love that. Thanks Trish.

DAT Trish Ackerman (26:23)

Yep.

The Dental A Team (26:24)

Okay, that's a wrap

guys. I hope you enjoyed this. You do not need to necessarily listen to the sellers first. So you're welcome. We wait until the end. I told you I would tell you. You can listen to them in whatever order you want to. But listen to them both. So that was your buyer's perspective. Trish, I love ⁓ bantering with you. Thank you so much for your perspectives and your wit. you guys, drop us five star review. Let us know what you loved. Let us know any other ideas you have or if you have purchase practice.

practices put them in the notes you guys because people again they really do read those if you have tips and tricks we want to hear them too we Learn these things from you guys as well. It's not just knowledge. We were born with this is from experience So go do the things [email protected] You can head over to our website TheDentalATeam.com and you can actually schedule a free consultation with our team and we will be happy to help you in whatever ways we can and As Trish loves to say go be amazing

DAT Trish Ackerman (27:21)

Thanks, Tiff.

It's office autopsy time! Kiera shares the story of a practice that recently discovered $2.5 million going unnoticed. She talks about the doctors and their (very) busy schedules, the need for an additional hygienist, and what the cold, hard numbers told this practice about next steps.

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Kiera Dent (00:01)

Hello, Dental A Team listeners. This is Kiera. And today I am excited. I was just in a practice and we were going through a lot of really fun things. And whenever I come from an office, I get so excited to come back and chat with our podcast family of things that you and your practice should and could be doing. I was told when I was in this office, this is the Dental A Team magic where we physically fly to your practice. We work with your teams. We work with you as a doctor. We uncover hidden pieces that maybe you didn't even know to bring to a call.

I think it's so magical to be able to do this for practices. And so today is a little office autopsy of finding $2.5 million left behind on the table in ways that you would never expect. Sound interesting? Well, I hope you're ready because I wanna take you through and uncover hidden little cashflow pits that you might not even be looking at. So number one, we decided to go through...

because this doctor is so busy. So many of you tell me I'm so busy, Kiera, my schedule is jam-packed, and I say congratulations, but what is the cost of that? So for example, if you have your hygiene department, you should be looking at your active patient base. So an active patient base for a general dentist should be 1,500 patients as an active patient for one doctor. High end, like where you can kind of get by is 1,900, but beyond that, that's very high. And we're talking 12 months and 18 months. So take a look at both of those numbers.

and just look to see where are you at. So this practice, they have about 4,500 active patients with two full-time doctors. They're at capacity. So what's happening is we have options. We can add more hygiene, but then that's going to have our doctor to hygiene, AKA our exams at the wrong amount. What's happening is they're dropping periopatients because they don't have space for their...

Regular prophy patients, then they're diagnosing SRPs, but they have nowhere to put them for six months. They're pushing new patients out for four to five months. So we did a little bit of fun math and we didn't even, this is just gonna be some hypotheticals, but I think for you just to hear like, what are some of the things that actually can hurt your practice and how much are you leaving on the table when we do things like this? So for this practice, when we went through and we looked at it, we thought, all right, let's take an average prophy and whatever it is for you.

Maybe it's 150 up to 200 for an average prophy. We're talking prophy, x-rays, cleanings, or just even prophy and an exam. How much is that for you and your practice? Now, look to see how many active patients you have. If we've got 4,500, well guess what? You get a double that because those patients are coming in two times a year. So have fun with those numbers. We divide that by 12. We look at how many patients we're seeing per day. Now that doesn't necessarily mean how many you are, but that's how many you're going to need to see.

Then we look to see how much hygiene we have right now today to see, we actually have enough hygiene spaces for it? But let's not forget that we also have to add new patients because in addition to our active base, we are constantly adding more patients. Yes, we are losing some patients, but my hope is that you at least are adding more than we're losing. So we've got to look at those two together and see how much time we actually have in a week, in a month that we need to be seeing patients. This is gonna then show you your gap. So for this practice, they had over 200 appointments

that they were short every single month. That's at a minimum. So clearly they're ready to bring on another hygienist. This was great numbers to see, do I bring on a hygienist? Do I not bring on a hygienist? But the problem is they're already at five hygienists with two doctors. You can start to do the math. So it's like, well, great. Well, we're not diagnosing perio either. So options are we could bring on a sixth hygienist and that hygienist would just do SRP. That doesn't mean just that person, but we'd have eight hours of SRP in a given day.

spread across all the hygienists. That means we don't increase our exam numbers, but we do increase our number of perio. We do increase our number of hygiene spots. That's going to help in some instances. But even if we fix that problem, remember we still have all these patients that we're not seeing. So this practice right now, they told me, hey, Kiera, we're pushing our patients out about eight months is where we've got to put them. We can't see them on the six month mark. We've got to push them to the eight month. So I did the math and I was like, okay, average pro fee is going to be about $150 per patient.

but you gotta take all those patients that would be seen in one month and we times that by 150. Now, I understand this is very loose math, but it gives a good idea because think about it, those patients, if we saw them every six months, that's money from insurance and also from seeing them on a regular schedule, plus not just that, but patient care. We see them on the six month interval, but these ones we're not seeing every six months, we're seeing them every eight months. So that means there's two months that we're missing out on opportunities to see them.

So when we did the math, it averaged out to about $450,000 with this patient base annually, just of miss hygiene. And that was only on one month. If you want to do it on two months, which is realistically what it would be, that's almost a million dollars worth of revenue, just in hygiene miss opportunity. That's fascinating to me. This is why I think a consultant is so powerful because we come in and we do crazy numbers like this and we look at your numbers and we look at where you're at. And it really gives you the confidence to know, can I bring on an associate? Can I bring on more hygiene?

I feel like this, what does the number and the data suggest? So just looking at that, I was like, a simple fix is bring a hygienist in, let's have our perio go up. And then also we need to bring a doctor in for whether it's full time or not. So we ran scenarios of if we brought a doctor in, if we added more hygiene, if we had our doctors do this, what do we need to do? How do we keep our doctor to hygiene ratio running all these scenarios to then say, my gosh, this really would help our practice out.

And when I think about this and I think about practices for us, are you looking at numbers and metrics like this? Are you calculating the cost of missed appointments or not scheduling our hygiene patients back? Not to mention that we're certainly not doing 30 % of our patient base as perio. What these hygienists are doing is they're seeing that they need perio, but they don't have space to put them. So they don't want to have the conversation. This is no knock to a hygiene team. Several hygienists do it because I'm going to tell you, you've got this awful disease.

but then I'm not actually going to be able to get you in for X number of days, weeks, months. That feels really, really, really hard to try and convince a patient of this. So what do we do? We clean it out and we say, you know what, we're just gonna get it next time. But next time then fumbles and then we gotta have these conversations. Then we don't wanna have these conversations. We're constantly looking at like, we're just punting the ball down the line. So what do we need to do on this? What are the scenarios in this option? How much money is being left behind, but also how much patient? And this is great.

Other options that we considered are, we cut insurances? Because, hey, if we've got this many patients, what if we cut out our lowest producing insurance that pays us? And the doctor said, no, my mission and vision for this practice is that we care for the average patient, that we are here to take care of them and support them. And that's what this doctor wants to do. So it's like, great. They have an incredible building. They've got more space to build out. Fantastic. Let's bring in the other doctors. Let's bring in more hygiene. Let's serve these patients because instantly if we brought on one or two more hygienists,

Guess what? We could backfill very quickly with all those patients. Plus we need to hold space for new patients and perio that would be ideal based on the number of perio. So then you look at your patient base, you figure out 30 % of that. That's going to tell you how much SRP spaces you need to hold every single month in the practice. Don't forget, once you have SRP, you also need to have perio maintenance is in there. So this you can see is like this amazing web of data, of knowledge, of fun.

to figure out how much is your practice actually leaving on the table unintentionally. And when I looked at that, the doctor, he was like, well, Kiera, number one, you're always worth your weight in gold. You come in and you find little things. You guys, that is one small change that's worth 450 to $900,000 just in the amount of pro fees. That's nothing else, nothing. Like that's all we did. And to be able to uncover little opportunities like this and so,

for you to look at your practice, this is why I wanted to give you this scenario of this practice. There were several others that we looked at that we found that we were able to just quickly identify. But I think so often people are looking for big moves. They're looking for these all on X cases. They're looking for what could I do here? How could I do this? What could we change this for? And what I wanna highlight to you is I promise you there are little gold nuggets in your practice of true solid gold that's serving patients at a higher level.

or you have to do nothing else in this practice. And all you need to do is just shift one or two things and instantly your practice is going to grow 10, 20, 30, 40, 50%. Small little tweaks and changes, small little gaps, small little pieces. So it's let's look to see our hygiene patients coming in on time, like on the six month interval. Do we have the correct active patient base for the number of doctors that we have? Do we have enough hygiene to doctor ratio? What's our perio percentage?

How many perio maintenance are we doing? Are we solid on those pieces with our patient base? And then if we are on those, let's look at our x-rays. Are we doing our FMXs and our comp exams on regular frequencies? Are we doing perio, excuse me, are we doing fluoride therapy on all of our patients if you believe in that? These little tiny opportunities just in hygiene I've highlighted for you, not to mention all the other spaces that we could go after, but just hygiene alone. Are we collecting before patients walk out the door?

Are we using our block schedules and getting enough block time in our schedules for our new patients, for our perio? Do we have those blocked in there? Because if we don't, guess what? Like I don't even do the math for you on how much SRP patients are, but you wanna tack that on with the number of patients that we're missing out on. That's for sure a $1.2 million mistake with no extra effort. So I just want you today, it's a quick fast episode. It's a down and dirty of one, I think this is a huge.

A-ha of what a consultant can do for your practice. Number two, I think it's a quick a-ha for you to look at your practice and say, hey, during my CEO time, let me go walk through my practice and let me see these little gaps and cashflow gaps in my practice and let's see how we can close those up. And number three, I really hope you realize so many people think they need to expand, go get another practice, all these different things to grow their business. And I will tell you that 99, maybe I'll say 90 % of the time, we can find growth, we can find opportunities.

right underneath your roof with no extra effort, no extra energy, just to do a small change. Perfect block scheduling. Usually can add $1 million plus to a practice if we do it correctly. No extra hours, no extra time, no extra team members, just being more strategic with it. Increasing your case acceptance, small little change, small little tweak, way more revenue to your practice. So my question to you is, what's it worth? What's your hour, two hours, three hours of admin time worth to you if it could show that you could create this?

What's it worth not to call a consultant to just come check your practice and see what are maybe the hidden gaps? You guys, this practice is doing amazing. Their overhead's great, their team's great, all of that. You would think on paper that this person doesn't need a consultant. They're not stressed, they're not cashflow poor, they're none of those things. What they are is they are looking for the hidden opportunities that a consultant who's been in practices hundreds of times can come and find for them. They're looking for, what am I not thinking about that you're gonna think about? I want you to come in and find that.

And I love it. I feel like I get to go in as a sleuth. I'm not looking for systems or operations. This practice, like I said, on paper, this practice looks like they would never need to call a consultant. But what I want to highlight for you is we found in a less than day and a half, over a million, and I just told you one part of this story, over a million dollars worth of opportunity for this practice. Would that be worth your time? Something to consider.

Something to think about. And I hope today you take this and you don't just think about it, but you go do action because I promise you there is just this same, if not bigger cashflow leak in your practice or hit an opportunity that you're not thinking about that would radically change your practice, your patients, your team, your life. So go find it. And if you don't know how to do it, reach out, or if you're like, Hey, I'd love you just to come see like come sleuth. Let's do this together. Reach out. [email protected] your practice, your team, your life is worth it.

and you deserve all the happiness in the world. And I'm happy that you chose to listen today. I'm happy to hear you hung out. And if you thought this was a fascinating podcast, share it with a friend because I think all of us could think a little bit differently, find these little opportunities. Again, no extra diagnosis, no extra work, just changing it up a little bit, doing things a little differently and their practice is going to exponentially grow. Yes, they need to bring a doctor. Yes, they need to find a hygienist. Yes, they're strategic, but we talked about all the different scenarios, ran all the different numbers and hey, here's all the options. Now pick which one you want to do.

There's so many ways to do it, but look at the awesome opportunities that they could do. And I hope that you do the same. And as always, thanks for listening. I'll catch you next time on the Dental A Team Podcast.

Kiera compares the stages of a business to the stages of the human life cycle, from the infancy of a startup, to the chaos of money flow without systems, to the growing profitability of early adulthood, and so on. The goal is, of course, to reach maturity, where the business can run on its own, there's work-life balance, money flow, and more.

Kiera gives listeners the common factors for each "age group," and what needs to be done for practices to reach their prime.

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Kiera Dent (00:00)

Hello, Dental A Team listeners. This is Kiera and I hope you are having an amazing day. I hope it's an epic day. I hope you're loving your life. I hope you're having just so much fun. ⁓ I love dentistry. I love podcasting. I love connecting with so many of you. I just met people this week that are Dental A Team fanatics and it's always fun. And it's funny on calls when I get to chat with you in real life, people are like, Kiera, you sound just like you do on the podcast. And I'm like, that's great because guess what? It is me.

So I am so excited to podcast with you guys today. Welcome. If you're new to Dental A Team podcast. Hello, I'm Kiera Dent. Dent really is my last name. And it's because I love all things dental. ⁓ I love my husband, even though he's not a dentist. ⁓ I love, I just love life. I love helping people. We had a, in our consulting, we have what we call our doctor mastermind. It's a doctor only mastermind and it's on ⁓ Tuesday, the first Tuesday of the month. And we call it Think Tank Tuesday for our doctor mastermind.

We had all of our doctors there this week and we had several doctors come. It was just a really, really fun time. And as I was sitting there, I tell everybody that this think tank is supposed to feel like you're sitting in my living room, hanging out with me. We're all just here having like a good time. I love to see there's one doctor pushing her daughter on a swing. There was another doctor making dinner. There's another doctor sitting at the office, another doctor driving home.

It truly is a like, let your hair down, come be, let's come hang out, let's all be together, let's all work together. Cause honestly, dentistry can be super hard and challenging. And ⁓ as I walked away from that, we were talking about the life cycle of a business and people were just talking about where they were and here's where I am and how do I get to the next phase of my business? What are some easy moves? And it was crazy because it's actually not that hard to move from one part of the business to the next part. ⁓ A lot of times it's just having somebody pointed out to you.

⁓ giving you the confidence that you can do that. ⁓ And then having a group of people around you that are just like you. And as I walked out of that meeting and that just fun hangout time, there's always Kiera's after party, which is not recorded. It is Kiera unfiltered. I just thought, I'm so blessed to get to know these human beings, these people that we get to work alongside with, that we get to collaborate with. I get to see them go through all the phases of business from where they were to where they are.

working with us, get to see their production increase, I get to see their ROI ⁓ tenfold, I get to see how happy they are in life, I get to see when they were once stressed to where now they're exuberant and happy and fulfilled and that is why Dental A Team exists. That is why the podcast exists is because I want all of you to feel like you have ⁓ someone in your corner, someone who is rooting for you, someone who has answers where you feel like there are none, someone who sees the path more clearly than you can.

someone who's created a community of like-minded doctors that are either where you are or have been where you are and can help you get to the next step. We have doctors who mentor each other. have ⁓ masterminds in person. have where we come to your practice. So if you're listening to this podcast and you're feeling like, gosh, I just don't even know what to do. The answer is there's actually always the what's next to do. There's always somebody who can help you. It's just you having the courage to book the call to

⁓ invest in your practice in yourself and decide that you're worth having the life and the practice that you know, you're capable of having. And so if that resonates with you, reach out, come join our doctor mastermind, come meet us in person, come hang out with me in real life. I would love to have you be a part of it. ⁓ my mission truly is to change people's lives. and that's luckily I get this amazing platform of dentistry. So, reach out, [email protected] because honestly, I believe that it is so fun and so powerful. ⁓

to go from that. And so I teased out a little bit of a life cycle of a business. This came from Tony Robbins. I really love Tony. I love a lot of things that he teaches and ⁓ there's a lot of wisdom. so just to kind of to take this on for the podcast today, I feel like, hey, we talked about this in our Dr. Mastermind, but I think it'd be very beneficial for all of you to hear. And this is my adaptation of it to take it to dental offices and kind of then giving you some of the things that I see in a practice so you can kind of understand.

But basically we have kind of like think about the life cycle of human beings. It's where we start out as infancy. We're born into this world and then we're infants and then we're toddlers. And then we go into this like middle life, like middle school. And then we go into high school and then we go into young adults. So college or young adult. Then we go into maturity or our prime of our life. Then we go into this kind of midlife evaluation. That's right before we retire. Then we go into aging. Then we go into institutionalization and then we go to death.

So we think about how people go around and it's interesting because there could be say a 25 year old, 30 year old, 40 year old who actually could be on the aging path even though their age is not where you would think that they would be. And so the idea of this is to kind of look to see based on like a life cycle of us where your business is and what maybe is like the pain point. So when we look at a business and we look at like children, so an infant,

They're screaming, right? They're screaming all the time. Yes, they're alive. Yes, they're there, but they're screaming and they're hungry and they don't know how to make money and they always have all these problems and it just feels like it's problem after problem after problem. That's like when you first start a business and it is chaos and it is exuberant and it is blissful and it is terrifying. Like Tiff and I were actually joking about it when we were on our doctor mastermind and we were talking about how like Dental A Team when it was in its infancy stage.

I literally was paying Tiffanie via Venmo. I did not have any payroll set up. I don't know why Tiff stayed with me. So Spiffy Tiffy shout out to her today. ⁓ But I really truly was such a naive business owner. I did not have protocols. I did not have a lawyer. I didn't have HR. I just said, I want to be here in this world and put something together, but no processes, no systems. It was screaming mayhem all the time. And then you go from that infancy stage to toddler, right? Toddlers, they can sleep through the night.

They're more independent. They can reason on certain things, but they're not this middle schooler, right? ⁓ And so when we look at that toddler that like they're going to elementary school, they're kind of in that middle stage. This is now where a business has elevated. It's not like paying people via Venmo, ⁓ but you still don't have the cash flow to be able to hire great people. It's still this like very new. You probably have one or two people. Practices that are in this realm are more the

the startup phase. So startup is like your very infancy, whether you're buying it or if it's a scratch start or you already have it. But it's kind of that screaming and then you move into toddler where like we can afford like one or two people on our team. but maybe we're moonlighting at another practice. cash flow is not consistent. ⁓ Systems and processes are not in place. And it's really just in this like delicate, but more stable, like we're like, okay, we're not we're not gonna go broke.

We know we can kind of handle, but at the same time, cashflow is not there. Then you move into middle school and you think about a middle schooler. This is where like we're starting to hit production. We can kind of have a few team members in there. We kind of maybe have a little bit of money, but not quite. ⁓ And we're starting to get a little more established, but we're like very gangly. We're very awkward. ⁓ We're doing the dentistry, but we're still, we're still not quite making it. And so from there, when we move from there,

You didn't go into a teenager and you think about a teenager, they think they know what they're doing. They've got the keys to the car. And this is where you've got money, but you're blowing through it because you have no systems, no processes. Like you are mayhem. Like you're making the money, but you're not keeping the money. And you're running on all four cylinders. But it's just chaos. It's wild. There's a frenzy. There's an excitement. And I think when Dental A Team was in that phase,

We had a little bit of money and so we were hiring people, but we didn't have quite enough money so we're not hiring experts quite yet. And you can just feel there's like this teenage energy and ⁓ then you move into like young adult and young adults were like perfect. The company is making money. We're able to hire more experienced people. So like we can bring on an office manager. We can bring on a better hygienist. We can have more things in place. And then we go into this like maturity and maturity and prime are where we're.

Profitable, we've got the production, we've got the systems in place. have a leadership team that's running the practice. It's not all dependent upon the dentist or one or two people. We've got the systems in place, we've got the profit in place, we've got the production in place. And a lot of times that happens when people are in this maturity or this prime, they're hanging out right there. What they often do is this is when they wanna buy another practice. Sometimes they even wanna buy a practice when they're in toddler, teenager, or like that college mid-year. But they're really just...

this is when they do it. And what happens is when you buy a practice or you expand your practice or you any of the phases, then you actually like usually kick yourself down and you go back to either toddler or maybe middle schooler or high schooler and your business like re re fumbles. There was a practice that I was working with and they're like, Kiera, we have this great opportunity. I worked with them for a year and we got everything set. The doctor was like, I'm tired of having to run it all. So they were like kind of in that

probably more at that mid year, they were probably college age. So the practice was great. They were profitable, but the doctor was still doing everything. And the doctor was just like, I don't want to do this anymore. I need you to train my team. I need you to train all the people so that way I can just come be a dentist and truly own my business, which kicks you into that maturity and prime. So we worked together. We were able to train the team. We were able to train the doctor. We did leadership training. We trained the whole team. We put systems into place that they didn't realize. And the doctor like literally we got them into prime like

It was incredible. It took us about a year to get them there. And they're like, Kiera, it's great. Cause I was thinking like, we're wrapped up. put a bow on this. I'm super excited for you guys. And the doctor was like, Kiera, guess what? There's this awesome opportunity for another practice. Do you think we should buy it? And I tell you, when people get into this like prime, like they're in it, they've, they've, they reached the mountain. They're like, we should buy another practice. And I was like, well, so here's the deal.

your kids have gone off to college. That's where your practice is right now. Like you're sitting here, you're very happy, you're very comfortable. Life is very easy for you. And buying another practice is going to be literally bringing on a screaming brand new, like brand brand new infant baby. Do you want to do that? And the doctor was like, that's a good point. ⁓ Let me think about that. And they're like, here, the deal is just too good of a deal. And honestly, if I was in their shoes, I would have done the same thing. The practice was truly a, you should take it and do it.

And then what happened, we flew all the way back down into toddler. Like we didn't go quite back to infancy, but oh my gosh, like the practices started screaming and both practices started struggling. And all these little pieces came up because we went from having this mature, we're in prime, our life is really easy to bringing on this screaming baby. And all of a sudden everything started jostling, the leadership team got jostly. We were bringing in different partners and lo and behold, two, three years later, we finally now gotten the practices.

they're right around teenager, maybe young adult for both locations and guess what they want to do? You guess it, they want to buy another practice. And this tends to be the cycle of dentistry. ⁓ Or what actually can happen is we go from prime and then we actually can go into midlife evaluation. And what happens here is when doctors are considering like, do I want to sell? Do I want to keep sitting in the chair? Maybe we're ⁓ not, not purposely, but maybe we are not diagnosing as much as we used to. Maybe we don't want to go to the CEs. Maybe we don't want to do all these other pieces. And you start to get into this midlife. And if you're not careful and you don't

get the CE or get a younger associate or whatever it is to kick you back over or bring in different team members, you can actually then fall into aging and become this aging practice that ⁓ if you're not careful, will actually die off. ⁓ And that's what we call sleeping practices. New grads love to buy aging practices, but then what can also happen is your team members might also be at a different space on the life cycle than you are. So sometimes when you inherit this sleeping practice as a new owner, well, you might.

inherit a team that also is maybe a little bit sleepy too where they're like I'm on my way to retirement, I don't want to be putting in all this new technology, I don't want to do all this software, I don't want to do all these changes or that team might be like sweet and they got kicked back just like someone in their 50s can be like you know I'm gonna go run a marathon and they kick them back into that maturity, that prime or they're in their 60s or they're 65 like my mom she went back to college, my mom was on her path to aging and she went back to college later on in life, she became

She got her master's degree and she started working a job. You better believe that pushed her all the way back over into like teenager. Like she had no clue what she was doing, but she flipped herself back over and, and added more of that energy back into her life. And so all of us, what I was trying to explain through all this is just because you're at one space in the life cycle does not mean that you're forever on the trajectory up and over the curve. It's like a bell curve. ⁓ what we're trying to aim for on whichever side of the bell curve, whether we're on the young toddler or we're on the more aging headed towards institutional.

is our goal is to keep our businesses keep pivoting towards that prime, that maturity, that middle spot where the business is running without us, it's profitable, we're able to have all the time, the work-life balance that we wanna have. And so when you're looking at this, the questions are one, where are you personally on the life cycle of the business and yourself? Are you a new owner? Are you a seasoned owner? Where do you fall on that? Where is your practice through all this?

And then where is your team through all of this? And then assessing based on all those factors, what needs to happen to get you closer to that like middle section where we were striving for that's the prime and where is it? And what do you need to do to get back there? So a couple of scenarios were like a doctor is struggling, they're exhausted, they're burnt out, they're doing all the work and like, what should they be doing? They're producing well, they've got hygienists there, but they're exhausted. They're working like five days a week, just exhausted.

Like what can this person do? And so the questions are, where is this person on the life cycle? This person could be in teenager where they're just exhausted because they're doing it all. They also could be over on midlife evaluation where they're doing it all. Both can actually be true, depending upon the practice and where they're at. And there is no science to this. like, okay, if you have XYZ, then you fall here. Like this is more for you to assess. ⁓ And when I look at this and I think about it, ⁓ options for this practice are hiring an associate would be amazing. That would kick them into prime.

It will also kick them down into the screaming if they don't have the systems in place. But what it will do is it will add some energy. You could also add in team members and no more than you do because you've got the money, you've got the flow. You could bring on a consultant that can help you get to the next level. You could actually add on extra days. You don't have to necessarily work it, but it's what can I do to get myself to this prime where I'm profitable? I'm producing what I want. I'm working the hours that I want. I'm innovating the practice. My team is aligned. My team is running the practice. I'm not staying here.

till super, super late every single night. I have my family life that's ideal for me. That's what we're aiming for. That's what we're striving for in consulting and working with our clients. This is what I obsessed about is how can we get more clients to their sweet spot? That's when I say like living their dream life when I walk it and I see people that have gotten there. That's what I mean by this, like maturity, this prime. Like I remember my CPA told me ⁓ once he said, Kiera, it actually gets a lot easier later on in life. He's like, because

then like you bought the house, you bought the cars, like whatever it is that you were striving for, and then money becomes easier. And I was like, you are a liar. There's no way this is gonna happen. And then you meet people and they really are there and they're comfortable and they walk with ease. And there's just this like, I don't know this calm about them, but they're still very energetic. They still have a lot of things that they wanted to, but I think the frantic energy of the young or the exhausted energy of the aging doesn't exist.

It's more this centered calm, knowing, doing things on purpose and intentional rather than reactionary. It's a very, very different space. And so like that's our obsession is getting offices to that space. And so for you to assess and to diagnose, where are you? And what's fascinating to me that I often find is sometimes the dentist is actually the problem. There was a dentist that I was chatting with and this doctor refuses to delegate. And I'm like, so great. You've actually accidentally pushed your practice into almost aging.

because you're not willing to delegate. And then also you're not willing to hire people that are smarter and more equipped. You're sitting here having very inexperienced team members that don't know what they're doing, making lots of mistakes. So therefore you don't trust anybody because you haven't spent the money to hire the people that you need to hire to bring in that energy and that structure and that leadership. Instead, you're trying to do it all yourself plus be the dentist. Like you have actually not like kept yourself younger. You've actually

aged your practice accidentally to where if you're not careful, it will actually age and deteriorate into death. And so I think also being self-aware of where you are, ⁓ I think being cognitive and what's really awesome is once you know where you are, once you know where your team is, once you know where your business is, then instantly the diagnosis becomes very easy of what you need to do and what the next step is. But I think oftentimes easy and doing are not the same thing.

I think oftentimes we say, my gosh, this is so easy, but that doesn't mean that I want to do it or that I'm going to do it or that I'm going to follow through on it. I think so many times people get stuck and they're just like, either A, I'm not willing to accept what I need to do or B, I don't know what I need to do or C, I'm not willing to acknowledge what I know I need to do and actually do it. And so if I look at all of this, I think this is a fun assessment for you to look to see like what, where am I on the life cycle of the business? What do I need to do to progress to the next level?

And am I willing to do that? Or do I need somebody to push me along? I will say sitting in a business myself, I have hired different people. I have realized when the business has outgrown me, we just had a meeting with our team and I said, guys, like the great news is we have grown, we've evolved and our mission is to positively impact the world of dentistry in the greatest way possible and to serve more offices. And I can't do that with the knowledge that I have today. I need someone smarter than me that knows how to run systems on a different level.

I can do it for dental offices all day long, but a corporate business that's evolving, I don't know how to do that. Do I know how to like program HubSpot? The answer is a hard pass. No, I do not even know what that thing should do. I've never worked in an industry that's done that. I need someone smarter than me. And so we bring those people in and what's beautiful is it's scary and it's daunting, but it is magical because I know that this is the next phase to get us to where we actually want to go and to be in those optimal spaces.

Again, you're not always on the upward path we're always working towards and certain decisions will actually push us back down. Sometimes personal decisions, sometimes business decisions, sometimes things outside of our control, like we lose key team members or we have unexpected life events. Those can move us in this space a lot differently. So really it's a matter of where are we today and where do we want to be and how can we get closer to that destination today? And that's something I love. And hopefully today you took an assessment on yourself. Hopefully you diagnosed where you were.

And hopefully you realize that the answer is not too far away from where you want it to be. Or maybe you're like, Kiera, I absolutely don't know. Well, great. Reach out. [email protected] or go to our website, TheDentalATeam.com. Click on the book of call. And I will definitely happily chat with you and help you see where are you at and what's your next step and how we, or you can do it on your own can help you. But the answer is you're worth it. You deserve it. You deserve to be in that maturity prime optimized space of your life where there's calm, not chaos, where there's fun and joy rather than.

⁓ the worry all the time. And again, no stage is permanent. None of them are. Everything is temporary. Everything only lasts for so long, but it's how can we make it last longer in the space we want to be rather than it deteriorating or not accelerating or crushing us before it even has a chance to begin. And that's something that I really love doing. So if we can help you at all, reach out [email protected]. ⁓

Definitely so obsessed with making sure that you as a human being are taken care of, that you feel like there's someone championing for you and helping you out and making sure that you are taken care of. So reach out. ⁓ And if not, make sure you assess where you are and be committed to taking the next step. Great things truly never come from comfort zones. So get off that comfort zone, push yourself to the next level and know that ⁓ patience, teams, your life, your family, all of that's worth it. And you.

especially are worth it. And as always guys, I just adore you. I hope you have an amazing day today. And as always, thanks for listening and I'll catch you next time on the Dental A Team Podcast.

Tiff and Trish discuss the often ignored practice transition — are you looking ahead for your practice? Ten years out? Thirty years? The two consultants discuss what to keep in line now so that any changes on the horizon are received with minimal panic and damage.

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Hello Dental A Team listeners. We are here today with some really, really just fantastic information. We're rounding out the year, if you can believe that. It's almost 2026, so whatever year you're listening to this in, hopefully it's also still super relevant, but we are heading into 2026 here soon. And we thought that it would be really fun to just wrap the year with a couple of different practice strategy kind of.

don't know, just like how to progress where you're at, from where you're at to where you wanna go. Strategy podcast. So I'm just super excited. I have one of my favorite human beings in the world here with me today. I have Ms. Trish Ackerman. She is a prized possession on the Dental A Team team here. She is a traveling dental consultant with our team, which means that she does virtual consulting. So we do.

coaching calls, video calls, we team training calls, all those pieces, you guys know that, but she also travels to practices and sees different practices in person, kind of helping them strategize and train the team and get things working again, kind of oiling that machine. And something I like to say is, I always tell my practices, Trish, and I think you probably feel the same way, I always tell my practices that we have the most incredible practices that join the Dental A Team. We really attract the most incredible people, but

more than anything, I always know that I'm coming into a practice that's running really well. And my job is to find the areas where they just kind of feel a little bit stuck. Maybe something's a little bit inefficient. Maybe there's just something that's like, gosh, if we tweak this a centimeter to the left or a millimeter to the right, kind of I think of like implants, like, you know, you gotta just get them just right. And if we can make that little tweak ⁓ with them in office and find those areas, then their lives become.

less stressful. like to remove the stress. So I always tell practices, gosh, like I just don't get invited to practices that aren't doing well. I'm always, I'm always just so shocked at how well practices are doing. And Trish, I know you've consulted for a while. You've been here with our team for a little while, but you have just so much, there's like a wealth of knowledge behind you and all of the aspects of everything that you've done. And I'm so excited for you to be on this team. I know your practices are thriving because you're here.

We are thriving because you're here and we're all better people because of it. So Trish, thank you so much for being here today. I'm excited to pick your brain on these practice strategies. How are you? Your hair, we already talked about your hair is stellar. I had a weird hair dream. So hair is on the mind. It's like, it's a thing today. So welcome with your beautiful glasses and your beautiful hair. And it's 8 a.m. in the morning. What were we thinking? But this is a great way to start our day. Trish, how are you today?

DAT Trish Ackerman (02:44)

I'm doing great. Thanks, Tim. I always like doing this with you.

The Dental A Team (02:47)

Okay, thank you. Thank you. That makes it much easier ⁓ when I schedule it that you enjoy doing it. So thank you. I appreciate that. ⁓ I do enjoy life with you. You shed a lot of perspective for me. So thank you. ⁓ Yeah, definitely team listeners. I had this, okay, start over. Marketing, our marketing department, they help us come up with a lot of topics. And then the consulting team, we kind of look at them more like, hey, is this relevant? Is this something that

DAT Trish Ackerman (02:55)

Welcome.

Thank you.

The Dental A Team (03:17)

we're seeing pop up in our worlds of consulting with our clients and our listeners is this something that's going to be super beneficial. And this topic came up and I was like, gosh, actually, it's kind of super cool to end the year with this because now we get to look into what next year is going to be. And this could be a lot of strategy that helps build, I think, Trish long term visions. It might not be something that someone's thinking about today. Just like I know we have.

you know, lot of new graduates who listen and, a lot of doctors who've been in practice for 20, 30 years, or even three years, five years, wherever they're at on their journey, I feel like this is information that we like to shed light on for all of our practices. That's like, always be prepared. Just like, I don't feel like, I don't feel like we buy houses. We don't have a home and not know the value always. Like we're always making sure we know the value. We're making sure we know, you know, our prices right.

our interest rates are the best that we can get. Do we need to refinance? We're always looking at those aspects, but I think that we forget to duplicate that and look at it in our business as well and make sure that we always know the health of our business. And Trish, when we're building out goals, I know you and I both do this. We like to look as far ahead as we can, like 10 years ahead to say, what could that look like? And when do you want to retire?

Right, when do you think that you want to repair? How long do you want to work? And even if that's 30 years down the road, making sure that at any point we could be ready for that. And so today is really talking about practice transition strategies, what that might look like. And Trish, I want to know from your perspective, you've done quite a few practice transitions, I would imagine, in the history of dentistry that you've got behind you there. What are some of the...

What are some common to start, like let's start just broad. What are common practice transitions that you have seen that you've worked through? Like what does that even mean when a doctor says I want to transition or we say transition in there to understand that? What does it mean to transition? What have you seen?

DAT Trish Ackerman (05:24)

What I've seen is doctors that have been with the practice for many, many years, they built their legacy and they are ready to pass the baton to a new dentist. And it's a big decision. And sometimes they're sometimes they have sellers remorse because then they realize that, shoot, maybe I wasn't quite ready. But I have, I have seen it where, I mean, most of the time the sellers are very ready and, the new buyers coming in are very ready. So

you know, it's a transition. We make sure that the doctor, both doctors are aligned, the seller and the buyer, and that it's a good fit for both.

The Dental A Team (06:03)

Yeah, I love that. love that. So transition could mean a sell and a buy, right? A transition is a change, right? Transition is we're making a change. We're looking different in the future than we do today. And I agree, I think a couple of pieces that on both sides are super important, I think is that alignment word that you used, right? And making sure that we know where we want to go. I think a seller needs to know where they want to go. Why do they want this practice?

the or why do they want to sell this practice and the buyer needs to know why do I want this practice and being in alignment with that is absolutely key. Now, when we're prepping for selling ⁓ and transitioning, we'll call it transitioning, what are some of the things that you have advised or you've worked on yourself while helping practices to sell? How do you prepare for selling? Like what do you need to make sure is in place if they're not?

We'll take it two ways. Maybe someone's not selling today. They're like, well, one day I might sell. And then maybe someone's like, gosh, I need to sell. want to sell. I'm ready to get out. So what would you advise someone who says maybe one day I might want to sell? How do they keep their business prepared for that?

DAT Trish Ackerman (07:16)

Well, that's always the best way, like start a plan. There are times when it's like an emergency and need to sell, when they have the, when they've got the time to plan, you really want to ensure like the, like you were talking about, tip that the selling of the house, you don't sell your house if the flooring is just a hot mess or if, or if the roof is caving in, you get those things fixed first. And in a dental practice, you really need to protect the patient base because the new buyer

or even somebody transitioning in to purchases, what does the patient base look like? And if we're adding a partner, do we have a patient base for them? If we don't, this is the time that we, the doctors need to be hyper-focused on growing that patient base. That also requires like, what does the accounts receivable look like? What is the collection ratio? Is this practice producing but not collecting? And though you do like kind of a full analysis on the top.

five KPIs typically, and then ensure that they are in really good condition. You want your practice to look appealing and you want your practice to be healthy. And when you're selling anything or transitioning in, the patient base is always number one. So if you have the syndrome where the front door is open, but the back door is open as well, we need the time to strategize to get that back door closed to ensure that when we go to sell this new buyer,

The Dental A Team (08:35)

Yeah

DAT Trish Ackerman (08:43)

or new partner knows that there's a solid patient base in place. And then again, the counts receivable, that's another really big one. That's got to be cleaned up pretty well. Again, to look appealing and to be worth something.

The Dental A Team (08:55)

Yeah, I love that. I am in transition. Like we're looking at purchasing a home and we have a home that we're either going to rent or we're going to sell. And what you're making me think of now is that our realtor, I love her dearly. She is one of my best friends in life. And she is like, cool, we can totally do this, but she needs some really nice pendant lights. Like Tiff, got to open that. She's like, I know you've got some storage closet somewhere that's got a ton of, you know,

a ton of decor, like she's like, you gotta spruce this place up. Like, yeah, she got brushing up, this is perfect. And I was like, ⁓ wow, yeah, you're right. And as I'm looking at Zillow and looking at all of these homes, I'm like, ooh, I love those pen and lights and ooh, I love that has black trim. And I'm like, my gosh, actually it's those pieces ⁓ that just sparkle that make you want that thing.

If you want to get a good price, if you want something great for your patients, you want a great person to purchase your practice and you want a great person to carry on the legacy of what you have built and a great person to take care of the patient base that you have worked so hard to get, I think you have to make it attractive and appealing. And I think you're absolutely spot on. The patient base is huge. A doctor buying a practice, a DSO purchasing a practice, like anybody purchasing his practice.

purchasing a practice wants to see that it is valuable. And the value is in the people, right? The patients and the dollars. And I think what you said is exactly true. The flip side of a patient base, you can have all the patients in the world and you can have that back door closed, but if you're not collecting the money, that back door is open. The money's just going out the door with the patients instead of staying in the practice.

That's also an issue as well. So you've got to, you've got to hang those pendant lights and get those systems in place and really, really evaluate if you were, if you remove yourself emotionally from the practice that you've built and you look at it objectively, would this be appealing to you? If you looked at your home on Zillow, you took pictures and you scrolled through those pictures and you looked at your home, would you be attracted to purchase that home? If you weren't emotionally tied to the place. So.

DAT Trish Ackerman (11:15)

Yeah.

The Dental A Team (11:15)

I love that.

DAT Trish Ackerman (11:16)

And piggybacking on that, when you're buying a home, you're buying a practice, what's your profit look like? I mean, if you're buying something that isn't going to have any value because there's a lot of debt tied to this or like a home, if you're going to purchase a home, but you're paying too much for it because it's really only worth, mean, those are also the things that the buyer has to look at. Is this practice, is it like heavy, heavy overhead? And if so,

The Dental A Team (11:19)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

DAT Trish Ackerman (11:43)

that needs to be trimmed down along with ensuring that the patient base is strong. If you're gonna sell something, it needs to be profitable to the buyer.

The Dental A Team (11:52)

Absolutely,

absolutely. I think that's spot on because you're gonna look at a home and you're gonna say, okay, well, this is the dollar amount that they have it listed for based on these photos or based on what I see in person. This is what I'm gonna have to put into it to make it what I want it to be. So I'm gonna take that into consideration. So if you've got a house priced at 525 and I know it's gonna take 60, $70,000 to...

make it valuable to me, make it the home that I want. Now my brain is saying, this worth 600,000? Because that's what I'm actually putting into it. And then my offer to you is gonna take into consideration the upgrades that I feel I need in that home in order to compensate for the price that you've listed it for. Yeah, I love that. when you're talking strategies for, we always, think, let me start over.

DAT Trish Ackerman (12:35)

Absolutely.

The Dental A Team (12:44)

Prepping for selling, I said this in both versions, right? Because I want a doctor to purchase a practice and think that way, right? I want you to think if I were to sell this down the road.

Like how can I invest, reinvest back into this practice to make it the best that it possibly can be? I want this practice for a long time, but we're not gonna be here forever, right? We're not, we may be in our home forever, but the likelihood of that in this day and age in 2025 is unrealistic. We're not gonna, we're likely not going to serve the term of our loan agreement in our home. Like we're going to move on, we're gonna find something new and the same is true for your business. So making sure, we don't know.

We don't know when that's going to happen. We might say, want to practice for 30 years. Great. But if you wait for 25 years to get ready to sell, you're going to be in an emergent sell situation. So day one today, making sure that you think like a seller doesn't mean that you're selling your practice. It doesn't mean that you're not there for your team. It doesn't mean that we're not here for the culture and that we're not here for the growth and the patience. It means we're preparing for everything.

That will set you up for success because you're constantly thinking about the value and about the return on investment that you're making. think that thinking like a seller, thinking, what would I do if I were selling this practice right now, helps you objectively make decisions in the practice, in my opinion. ⁓ Emotions are really, really hard. Emotions are fleeting. Emotions will drive us and we have to be able to step outside of that.

to make really great business decisions most of the time. Now, Trish, me, I always tell my practices, know the worth. So get valuations, like every so often. How do you feel about that? How do you suggest people do that?

DAT Trish Ackerman (14:35)

totally agree. think at least every five, five to seven years get a valuation of the practice because that'll also help you guide. If let's say it comes in pretty low, that will give you the valuation company can give you all the tools and the map that you need to get the value up. And if you just sit stagnant, which unfortunately a lot of doctors do, and then they're super shocked because the practice isn't worth anything.

And that is what we don't want to happen, especially to our clients, know, if this is something that they're talking about. So if the valuations, sure, they might cost something, but get it done anyways, because you can continue. It's almost like when you remodel the home. I love using the house as the analogy and get the valuation consistently through the years, because they don't know what they don't know. And when you're only in those four walls all the time,

You don't see what you can be actually doing. the valuation, that totally helps, because it gives all the current owners new perspective, new ideas.

The Dental A Team (15:45)

beautiful. love that new new perspective, new ideas. I love that. And I think I'm addicted to it's like a it's a problem. I am addicted to model homes, just going and walking model homes. I love it. I love walking model homes because I love new perspectives and new ideas. And walking into a model home for me is like, ⁓ my gosh, I wouldn't have even thought to do that with that kind of a space. Right. So I'm getting to see

DAT Trish Ackerman (15:56)

I don't know how to tell you.

The Dental A Team (16:14)

all of these interior designers work their magic in brand new homes, fresh and new, and I can go, my gosh, I can do that. And we we toured a spec home, meaning it was already built, ⁓ but nothing's in it. it's new, but not all the upgrades. But I thought there was the spec home that I'm like, what do you even do with that space? Like that is the most random space I've ever seen in a house. It's just this little cubby in the back of a kitchen.

So I was like, we need to go look at the model home. So we went and looked at the model home and I was like, oh, that's brilliant. I never would have thought to do that. But what you made me think of was that, like touring model homes, right? If we're not getting the valuation, we don't know the value of our home, but we're also not looking at what other people are doing and touring models. We're not going to...

It makes me think of the ADA, the CE courses and the Arizona Dental Convention and the California Dental Convention and going and seeing the floor models of new chairs, new, like getting all of these new ideas and doctors, caveat, it does not mean that we need to implement everything. I do not buy everything I see at the model homes. I just get ideas and then I watch for really good deals, right? But that's where I think we can get those pieces, those missing pieces in something

that I think we have really exciting here at Dental A Team is we have such an amazing community of doctors who are like-minded, but doing things in a different way in every practice. Every practice has their own flair. And when the doctors come together, when they get together at our masterminds and they're in person and they're at our doctor-only masterminds on the first Tuesday of every month and they're sharing these ideas, it's like touring a model home with your best friends. Like, ⁓ my gosh, I didn't even see that.

I didn't even hear it when Trish said that to my team. I didn't hear it that way. I'm to take this back and communicating with each other and getting that fresh perspective, like prepping for selling valuation and have some really good people surrounding you to constantly keep your brain fresh. Yeah, I love that.

DAT Trish Ackerman (18:21)

For sure. For sure. The team

is also another, they are also a big factor of this. If this is a legacy practice and there's a hygienist that's been in this practice for 20 years, that is also something that needs to be considered. it can be a little scary when you've got a legacy team, a new buyer comes in and then the seller is out and team goes with.

The Dental A Team (18:26)

Yeah.

Yeah.

DAT Trish Ackerman (18:46)

And if we can also like your locking in your patient base, you're ensuring that your profit margins are good, that your accounts receivable is healthy, what's the team going to be doing? Because we also need to strategize for that too.

The Dental A Team (18:55)

Yeah.

I love that you said that because I think one of the scariest things to a practice owner or business owner in general is the loss of a team. And I think people shy away from talking about the inevitable because they're afraid that the team's going to be scared and run away. And I firmly believe that the people that are meant to be in my life will stick around no matter what my life looks like. And if I'm prepping for

for selling, like I want my team to know too, hey, I'm here for the long haul, but we've got to make sure that we're super healthy because if we're not super healthy and not a buyable practice, if we can't sell, we're not doing right by our patients and I'm not doing right by you. I should be able to ensure that this business is healthy enough that it would want to be swooped up by someone because that means it's healthy enough that I can pay you. And that's how we do it. Yeah, that was beautiful.

Trish, some things that I picked up from you in the systems and I heard, re-care. You are a genius when it comes to re-care strategy. I have never seen someone pull out a re-care strategy like you do and it's beautiful. So if you all need some re-care strategy, like pick Trish's brain. If she is your consultant, you are in fantastic hands. Your re-care, your reactivation is amazing. So.

I know you tackle those, right? So patient-based, re-care, reactivation, and new patients, which also turns into some marketing, making sure that marketing is working. But then you also said ⁓ AR and that our collections are healthy. So patient-based, AR, and then team. So culture, right? So those are, and profit, profit, yes, yes. And if your AR ⁓ is in line, your collections is in line, your patient-based is healthy.

DAT Trish Ackerman (20:37)

prop. ⁓

The Dental A Team (20:47)

you watch your spending, your overhead should follow those things. Your overhead, typically like to, we love 50%. I love a 50 % overhead margin. Typically what we're gonna see if I'm truthful and honest is 55 to 65%. I really like that 50 to 60 % is really healthy and safe. And I see doctors feel really good and like they can save for what they need to save for and not be stretched too thin, but that 55 to 65 % is pretty common.

⁓ So, re-care strategy, these are the pieces guys, these are your action items from Trish. Make sure you are ready to sell so that you're not in an emergent situation. If you're in an emergent situation, meaning you're trying to sell within the next one to five years, bust a move. You can still do this. Re-care strategy is in place. We're not losing patients out the back door, meaning they're getting reappointed. They're coming in, your new patients are staying. Re-activation.

So what patients have gone out the back door, who has not been seen in the last 18 months or so, AR, make sure that your collections is super clean. That is a space that doctors get a little scared. Reach out, [email protected], reach out, we will help you with this. And then your profit and your culture. Okay, so watch your culture. Go ahead, Trish, show us what can see. yeah.

DAT Trish Ackerman (22:02)

I do want to add something to the accounts receivable that just popped in my

mind. I can't believe I left this out. Not only is it the accounts receivable, but also the credits. When you see some practices that have like $100,000 worth of credits, that is also something that it's got to be cleaned up. It's got to be cleaned up before sell.

The Dental A Team (22:11)

Yes, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

I completely agree. That was a massive, massive space. Good job. Yes. I agree. We focus really heavily on, by we, I mean the dental community, on the outstanding money, what is owed to you, but what do you owe to the people? What needs to go out?

DAT Trish Ackerman (22:38)

Yep. That is a big

one when we go to sell.

The Dental A Team (22:42)

Yes,

and I've seen it, you guys, I've seen it upside down. I have seen our AR, our accounts receivable that's due to us is lower than our credits. That's a scary place to be, okay? So watch for those, that was huge stress, yes. So get your re-care, reactivation in line, okay? Get your patients in line, your new patients as well. Make sure that your collections is healthy, so your AR is healthy.

DAT Trish Ackerman (22:53)

Yes.

The Dental A Team (23:09)

Your credits are healthy, that your profit is healthy and that your culture is healthy. Those are the spaces to ensure. then every once in a while, Trish, I love the five to seven years, go get that valuation. Make sure that you know the value of your practice and go walk some floor models. You guys, it's super fun. So if you're bored on the weekend too, like they're open all the time. So there you go. That's where you'll find me. Um, I know I do love them so much. I'm like, oh my gosh, I take pictures. I have pictures of tables and like.

DAT Trish Ackerman (23:28)

Perspective and ideas.

The Dental A Team (23:39)

lights on my phone that I'm probably never going to use, but I've got them because I saw them and I was like, that's a beautiful table. I'm going to find that. You never know. They're there. All right, guys, go do the things. Trish, thank you so much. I knew you would have just a ton of information for us. And you guys, again, if you have re-care strategy questions, Trish's

DAT Trish Ackerman (23:46)

Yeah, you never know when you might get it.

That's cool.

The Dental A Team (24:01)

Trish is our go-to gal. We've all got our stuff, but I have literally been in an office standing next to her watching her do it, and I was like, I don't even know how you're doing these numbers. So she's got a lot to teach all of us, and she's your gal. So [email protected]. You guys, go do the things. You know where to find us. Drop us a five-star review. Let us know what you loved. Let us know what you want to hear, like I said at the beginning.

We come up with these on our own, you guys. We just kind of dig through our brains and think what could be healthy for practice, what could somebody want. So if you have ideas, if you have things that are burning desires, please reach out. We would love any suggestions on topics that we're maybe missing. [email protected]. And thanks guys, we'll catch you next time.

DAT Trish Ackerman (24:43)

Thanks, Tiff.

Dr. Pia Lieb returns for a second part on the podcast. In this episode, she talks about being obsessed with your craft, and why that extra 10% for patients will take you miles.

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Kiera Dent (00:10)

I love that you, ⁓ I think this is probably what's made you really great. I don't know. I've heard a lot about you. But I think what you do is you make sure that the patients are obsessed with the results and not that Dr. Pia is obsessed. Like you're obsessed with the craftsmanship of what you've done.

You're really talented at that. But like hearing that you let people walk out and go try these on and what is it going to be like before you do it? That to me says that you are so obsessed about the outcome and the result for the patient. And then your job is to make sure you have the most excellent craftsmanship, the best product, the best techniques, the best method to get them the outcome they want. And I think hearing that, I'm just so proud of you. And I'm so grateful to hear that there are clinicians in our industry that

are obsessed about that rather than the reverse. Because I think some people are obsessed about maybe the dollar, maybe about doing these types of cases, but they're not the best at it, or this is what I think that they should look like. You really want to make sure that that patient is like a walking raving fan of you before you even do the work on them. And that I think is very special about you.

Dr Pia (01:17)

Thanks, but you know, I like to say that, you know, like, the thing that people don't understand is I'm technically the Hermes of dentistry because I, it takes a long time to make a Birkin, right? It's all made by hand. So are the veneers, hence why it's so hard to get one. But look, I

Kiera Dent (01:39)

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (01:42)

22 years old and it still looks brand new because it's the quality of the craftsmanship you know and I tell all my patients you should get anywhere between 20 and 25 years out of the mirror okay this whole nonsense of five years and ten years that's because they want to redo the case and for you to pay them again if you're doing good quality work the only reason they should be replaced is because you have recession due to old age

Kiera Dent (01:55)

Wow.

Mm-hmm.

Wow. And you don't have any issues with these super, super thin ones popping off.

Dr Pia (02:17)

No, because okay, let me let me explain to you. Let me explain to you physics. Okay. Okay, do you know why they pop off?

Kiera Dent (02:19)

Let's talk about this. I'm so, cause a lot of people haven't popped off and it's so scary. So I'm like, let's talk about this.

You know, this is why I'm asking you. Cause I don't like, feel my guess is that they were not bonded on correctly. And that's my guess. Okay. I'm ready.

Dr Pia (02:28)

Okay.

No, it's, two things. There's two things. That's

one, but that's the second one. Right. But let me explain to you. Do you remember when you were in high school and we went to, ⁓

Kiera Dent (02:37)

Okay.

Dr Pia (02:43)

⁓ chemistry and we had the microscope with the two glass slabs and we were looking for amoebas and all that stuff. Okay, remember how we were all a painting that you know what and we all tried to pry those two glass slabs apart and it never worked? Well that's the same principle with veneers. The thinner they are the stronger they are.

Kiera Dent (02:51)

Yep.

Yeah

Fascinating.

Dr Pia (03:06)

Okay

and I'll tell you why because teeth you know because you're in the business so teeth we all have ligaments right the teeth are hard it's a hard structure the bone is a hard structure so we have the dental ligaments right they're horizontal they're transversal so those are like the shock absorbers that hold the tooth inside the bone socket. Now

Kiera Dent (03:12)

Mm-hmm. Right.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (03:30)

when you're speaking and when you're eating those teeth move microns not visible to the eye but your teeth have mobility just like trees have mobility in the wind right we don't see the trees move unless it's a hundred mile an hour winds but if you have a five mile an hour wind you don't see that tree moving right but it does move

Kiera Dent (03:44)

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (03:56)

So

when you're doing these 3D print and you're filing like the turkey teeth where you have the little pegs left and the ratio of tooth to porcelain is 50-50 or you're having 60-40 or 70-30 that 3D printed porcelain does not flex.

Kiera Dent (04:05)

Yep.

Makes sense.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (04:23)

but your tooth does. So that's the number one issue why they pop off. The thicker they are, the easier they'll pop off. And the number two reason is the dentist has no idea about occlusion. Because if you have a premature contact or you have lateral excursions or a protrusive, you're going to pop those off like there's no tomorrow.

Kiera Dent (04:23)

True.

Interesting.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes.

Totally. Yeah.

Dr Pia (04:51)

So these are

the basic principles. If you don't know occlusion, you shouldn't be doing dentistry. I'm talking about GPs or it's the holy grail of this profession. Occlusion, occlusion, occlusion.

Kiera Dent (05:03)

And I will tell you as a patient who has the most obnoxious bite, ⁓ there are dentists who do no occlusion and there are dentists who don't because my bite you adjust one teeny tiny little micron and the whole bite gets thrown off and they're like, no care, it should be fine. And I'm like, I can always tell if you're just doing blue paper and you're having me bite chew all around, I know you don't understand occlusion because I'm like, you're never going to get it. I'm going to be, you're dancing all the way around. Like from the patient who has sat there,

four hours upon hours and had to find other dentists because the dentist who thought they could do it truly can't do it. And this isn't me being a jerk. This is me being the patient who has to suffer through a dentist who doesn't understand occlusion. Like what you just said as a patient, ⁓ and like there's some, know, you can have it like completely off and like, yeah, it feels great. And then you have patients like myself that teeny, teeny, teeny tiny. I can feel it. You can't even find it. And I'm like, no, it's off. My bite is not, my teeth are not coming together.

Dr Pia (05:59)

You always know, the patient always knows. They're always right.

Kiera Dent (06:02)

always. And please don't have me laying back.

Please don't have me lay back. Let me sit up. Let me lay back. Let me tell you on both of them, because it's always different. And they're like, no, it's good. And I'm like, it's not. You're not sitting in my mouth.

Dr Pia (06:09)

Yeah!

Because

you most probably have long centric, right? So you have one occlusion when your head is back and you have a different occlusion when your head is forward. Now, if that's the case, you need to check both.

Kiera Dent (06:18)

Mm-hmm.

Absolutely.

Correct. Thank you. Preach, please, for the patients like myself. These are the pieces. And I don't disagree because when I have seen dentists and they're not checking that and the patients are constantly popping off, I'm like, just maybe check to see how those teeth are hitting in all directions because they will pop.

Dr Pia (06:43)

⁓ but let

me interrupt you for one thing. The other thing that's an issue, okay, if they do it and you're anesthetized, you're not going to get a good read. You always have to call the patient back the next day and check the occlusion again in all the positions when they're not anesthetized because I will guarantee you on my career that it will be off.

Kiera Dent (06:53)

⁓ no, never.

Yep. Yep.

Always. And they're like, no, you can bite when you're numb. And I'm like, I don't even know how I'm biting. I have no clue. I know I'm biting differently. Preach. These are the things and the conversations that I've said. And having somebody like yourself who's so good at this. I mean, you guys, has a referral-based practice. Like people are flying in to see her. I can see why, because how you speak about this is so different. And I think today, one, I hope people are inspired of things to do, things to not do.

different ways to do this. I also love the risk that you took. I love the growth. I love the determination of self of I will be the best. You have the passion. You've got the grit. You've got the tenacity. I have doctors who are great surgeons that are truly incredible at this. I've got doctors that are amazing at occlusion. I've got doctors that are amazing at fillings. There's a doctor and one of his patients said like, have the smoothest fillings in all the land. And he's like, that's really weird. I had him fix a filling that chipped.

And I'm not going to lie, he has the smoothest fillings in all the land. Like I've never felt a feeling as smooth as this man did for me.

Dr Pia (08:12)

That's because he polished it afterwards.

99% don't polish them. You know, I had a colleague, checked, he did a, we put a crown in and I'm like, Joe, can we polish it? He goes, no, you're good to go. I'm like, no, I'm not. He's like, but I polished it. I'm like, okay, there is a porcelain polishing kit that you've got to go red, blue, white.

Kiera Dent (08:18)

I was shocked.

Hahaha

Dr Pia (08:40)

and the white has to be on low rpms and you have to make sure that it's shiny and polished and he's like i don't have the patience for that go do it yourself in the office and i did

Kiera Dent (08:52)

But I think like that even I feel like dentistry you It to me what I'm hearing is a lot of dentists. It sounds like go 90 % of the way But it's like that extra 10 % is what really in my opinion makes a lot of difference for patients It's doing the polishing. It's doing the small finesse like you you're working in such a small space anyway Why not make it absolutely perfect and dr. P? think you really inspired me to even look at myself in my life of where's that extra 10 % that I could really just make a dazzle Where could I really make it shine?

It's not, it doesn't take a lot of time, but it does take intentionality. So as we wrap today, this has been such a fascinating podcast and I've absolutely loved it. And I just appreciate your time. I want you to wrap with, you can do do's, don'ts or a mix of the in between. What should people who are doing cosmetic dentistry from your perspective as truly one of the most expert people I've ever met do in cosmetic dentistry or don't or you're welcome to do a mixture as just a quick wrap rattle of things that you've seen in your career.

Dr Pia (09:48)

Before

we do that, want to talk to you, I think that we should do this again because I want to talk to you about DSOs and private practice.

Kiera Dent (09:56)

Mm, yeah.

That is very fascinating. This is heavy on my mind of all different topics currently in the landscape, which I don't disagree with you.

Dr Pia (10:08)

Yeah, that's things are things are changing and not for the better.

Kiera Dent (10:12)

They are.

Yeah, absolutely. That will be it.

Dr Pia (10:17)

Because I'm a dinosaur

now. I mean, there's very few of us that do handmade work anymore. So getting back to your question. Look, I

Kiera Dent (10:22)

I don't disagree.

Dr Pia (10:30)

cosmetic dentistry you have to be very very very passionate about it and and the key is to leave your ego at the door and try to be the best version of yourself and that means take every course if you're a young dentist or still in dental school take every course that you can take you know look on Instagram and find the people that do the handmade work like myself and you know there's a handful of

that do it and ceramist as well and find the good beautiful work and reach out to everyone like you know everybody can reach out to me you know and ask me like hi how do I do this or how you know how should I go about doing that the thing is you have to be passionate if you're do and what I've told every student of mine in 18 years you're not doing this for the money the money will come you have to do this because you love doing it

Kiera Dent (11:31)

I don't disagree. think, on that note, Dr. Pia, what is the best way for people to follow you? Because I love that you said this and I tell people all the time, the world has shifted. We are in 2025. I'm going to choose a plastic surgeon, a cosmetic dentist, a surgeon based on their Instagram. I'm gonna go look at their photos. I'm gonna go look at their work. We don't live in a world where we are isolated just to our own state anymore. Like people fly across the country to go get the best work done. So.

Dr Pia (11:56)

yeah, mean Instagram,

I get internationals from Instagram. I've gotten Kazakhstan, I've gotten the UK, I've gotten the French, I've gotten so many and they're all Instagram. And I'm like, okay. I'm just Dr. P, I spelled out the D-O-C-T-O-R. P-I-A, my first name.

Kiera Dent (12:06)

How cool is that? So what is your Instagram handle? So people can follow and kind of see what you do.

Dr. Pia,

and I think if you want to see someone, I know you said you're a dinosaur in this, but as we've been chatting, I'm like, this is the doctor that I would fly across the country to go to. This is the one that I would go see. She knows what she's talking about. She's got the finesse, she's got the passion. She's willing to do one veneer. She's the person I'm going to trust to do work on my mouth. And it's how does she get seen? How does she get known? How does she do this? Guys, these are the legends. These are the people. These are people that have just like done what you're wanting to do.

Follow her and also, I don't know if you have heard at the beginning of the podcast, it sounds like Dr. Pia, you're passionate about helping any person who this is their dream become the best in the industry. And that to me is why she...

Dr Pia (12:51)

for sure. For sure. Just DM me if you have any questions.

That's the whole like Instagram is the new portal of learning.

Kiera Dent (13:01)

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (13:04)

Just ask questions. mean, it's none of us were born knowing how to do veneers. We all had to learn it at some point. And as long as your ego is at the door and you're willing to learn and be the best version of yourself, then you're great. You're great. But if you think you know it all, I'm still learning. And I've been doing this for decades. I'm still learning. I want to be up to date and things are changing. Materials are changing. There's so many things.

Kiera Dent (13:13)

Right.

Dr Pia (13:34)

Styles are changing. Thank God the Hollywood smile is dying. Finally. This took about 16 years, but thank God it's dying now. It's going back to natural

Kiera Dent (13:34)

Yeah.

No. Right.

which Dr. Pia, people didn't get to hear this. I heard this pre-show. You came on, we were just chatting and you said, I love my career. I love what I do. And to hear that you've been doing it this long and can still say that you love that. That's what my hope and wishes for so many doctors out there is that, and like, yes, we will get you back on the podcast to talk about DSO private practice because I think so many people are like get in, get out real quick. And I think that you are just such a great example of loving your craft, loving what you do.

committing to be the expert and look, you've had this long of a career and you're still obsessed with what you do. And I just want to honor you and say thank you and thank you for inspiring dentists today on the podcast.

Dr Pia (14:24)

Well, thanks for having me. And look, the young generation, the new graduates that are out there, I think we need to tell them the do's and don'ts of DSO.

Kiera Dent (14:36)

Absolutely. So that's a wrap for today with Dr. Pia. We'll have her back on talking about DSOs and new grads and the, I think the perspectives, because right now it's a world of a lot of noise and to find wisdom through that noise is paramount. So Dr. Pia, thanks for being on. Thanks for sharing your cosmetic knowledge. Yeah, I did too. And for all of you listening, I hope you commit to being the best at your craft, to getting hungry. There's a great quote. I'm a BYU football fan ⁓ and their coach says, be hungry.

Dr Pia (14:51)

It was a pleasure, I loved it!

Kiera Dent (15:05)

Stay hungry, stay humble. And I think that that's what Dr. Pia has done. And I hope all of you commit to that. And as always, thanks for listening and I'll catch you next time on the Dental A Team podcast.

Kiera is joined by renowned cosmetic dentist Dr. Pia Lieb to talk about Dr. Lieb's journey in her field, as well as her insights into what the rich and famous ask for (and pay for) when it comes to their teeth.

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Kiera Dent (00:00)

Hello, Dental A Team listeners. This is Kiera. And today I am so excited. I have an incredible doctor on our podcast. Dr. Pia is coming to

from New York, Manhattan. And this woman is incredible. She has been able to build and sustain a high-end cosmetic practice. She's figured out how to be, you guys are gonna love this, a referral only destination for patients seeking discretion, innovation, and ultra-personalized care.

This woman has been named the Michelangelo of dentistry and I am so excited to welcome her on the podcast. Welcome Dr. Pia, how are you today?

Dr Pia (00:32)

Thanks for having me, Kiera.

Kiera Dent (00:34)

Of course. Well, I have been so excited about this podcast. I don't often get to bring clinical guests onto the podcast. And so to just kind of hear of how you do your cosmetic dentistry, how did you become this practice of being so sought after? ⁓ How did you become the Michelangelo of dentistry? So kind of just walk the listeners through how did Dr. Pia go from where she was to where she is today? Kind of just give us a background on, on who you are and what your story has been.

Dr Pia (01:04)

Well, I'm gonna start with, it all started in dental school. There was a lecturer by the name of Dr. Gallup Evans who has passed away since. And he was giving a PG, which is obviously post-doctoral course on cosmetic dentistry. And his reputation was he was the one who did.

the supermodel Polina Povaskova's veneers back in the early 90s. And I went up to him after the lecture and I basically said, I'm a sponge, teach me, tell me what to do so I can do the same thing that you're doing. I've completely fell in love and cut out a class to go to that course. And after the course, he turned around to me and said, well,

sweetheart. You're either born with it or you're not. So I went home and I cried for five days.

and he completely tore me to shreds and that really got me upset and ⁓ I was a great student. was the youngest in NYU as a student. I graduated high school at 16. I was the nerd, right? And basically what I did is I was asked to start teaching after residency and that was my...

Kiera Dent (02:03)

Absolutely.

Dr Pia (02:26)

way to make sure that I would never allow anyone to speak to a student like that. And my whole point was, I want to empower the dental students. I don't want anyone to feel the way I did by this particular person. And basically I had nowhere to start. So I started taking all of these courses, these PG program courses, and I met up.

Kiera Dent (02:37)

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (02:53)

When I was actually in dental school, I went and I met the holy grail ceramist who invented veneers in America. And I went up to him and I said the same thing, I'm a sponge, please teach me. And he was like, great. Okay. You have a car. And I'm like, yes, I do. He goes, all right, come to the lab every Friday after school and every Saturday, let me teach you how to prep and how to do veneers. And this man who also passed away has taught me everything.

Kiera Dent (03:12)

I'm

Dr Pia (03:23)

that I know because the doctors were not doing it and there was only two guys in New York that were doing veneers in the 80s and in the 90s and those were older men in their 40s and they were not going to take a young 20 year old female and teach her what to do because they were you know insecure that we were going to take over the business from them.

So that's how it all started. And obviously, I taught for 18 years and I did do that what I set my mind to do. I wanted to give every one of my students the best experience that they can have with dentistry and with cosmetic dentistry. And we're still friends after all these years. So I must have done something right, that they still love me to invite me for dinners into their houses.

Kiera Dent (04:10)

Thank

⁓ I think that you're speaking to my own heart. mean, having that love

being in the dental colleges, of

to give back, like that's the whole reason Dental A Team exists was because of those students that you just fall in love with. And kudos to you because I got really lucky and I worked at Midwestern University's Dental College in Arizona. And I have been told that the culture there and the experience there is not like most dental schools. It was a very empowering, very enriching. There was no smashing of models. There was no...

⁓ destroying people's dreams, but I know that that's not everywhere. so kudos to you for ⁓ making a stance and also not giving up on your dream. And I think something I took from that is how often are we maybe told something that's not true and we believe it. We take that on as an identity and yes, crying for five days. I don't blame you, I would have done the same thing, but ⁓ it is.

Dr Pia (05:03)

No, it's demoralizing, you know, like it's

just here you are, you're this young bright-eyed and bushy-tailed eager beaver who wants to be the best at her profession and then you get some 50 year old man telling you, ⁓ honey, you can't do this, you gotta be born with it. I'm like, really?

Kiera Dent (05:20)

Hmm.

Maybe I am born with it and have you seen it. ⁓

Dr Pia (05:25)

And you know what I was and that's that's the

thing and it's just but it's the way he said it but we'll get back to karma because 18 years go by and he was lecturing again and karma if it's a small I don't want to say the b word on a podcast but

Kiera Dent (05:42)

Mmm.

Hahaha

Dr Pia (05:51)

it is. So he's got the lecture, same thing, same before and afters. And this time I'm wearing a white lab coat and scrubs underneath and I had you know, and at this point, I was clinical assistant professor and there were like 350 doctors in the audience. And he's like, Does anyone have anything to say? And I'm at the back wall, I wasn't sitting down, I was standing up and I raised my hand and I was like,

He goes, and he goes, I know that name. You're in press and you're my competition. And he was like, and you know, what is it that I said? said, you know what? Thanks to you, I am who I am today. I want to say thank you. If you didn't say this to me and make me go home and cry for five days, I wouldn't have.

done everything humanly possible to be your competition and here I am I didn't know if he was gonna slap me or kick me out or just whatever it was but it was not what I and he said you know come on down and just tell us more about it he goes you've got so much pressure all over the place and it was funny because at that point

Kiera Dent (06:52)

Ha!

Dr Pia (07:08)

That was like maybe 10 months after I did 10 episodes on TLC of 10 years younger. And I was all over the place. Like everybody knew me from TV and from press and ⁓ the New York Times wrote that I'm the Michelangelo in Smile Boutique. And it just got to that point. I got the recognition that I worked so hard for. he was like, all right, give me a hug. I was like, thank God.

to

get a slap. But I was ready to get like thrown out or to. So that's kind of what I wanted to do is I just want to empower every single person out there. And you have to understand, when I went to school, we there were no women, it was 97 % men, we had

Kiera Dent (07:43)

You

Dr Pia (08:02)

maybe seven girls in the graduating class. I mean, not that we had a lot. We have much smaller classes back then and we were 97, but seven out of 97 is a low percentage.

Kiera Dent (08:14)

That is,

yeah. Wow, that's such a fun, ⁓ I think kudos to you. And one of my favorite lines through life has been, life is not happening to us, it's happening for us. And I'm sure in that moment, you felt like life was happening to you. Like, who is this jerk? And they destroyed my dreams. And yet, ⁓ again, not to say that that's ever the right route to go. But I just want to highlight and compliment of you took something that people could have said would be sour grapes and you actually turned it into beautiful wine.

and you turned it into something beautiful and it was fuel to your fire to make you into this incredible woman that the world needed. And so I'm very curious, how did you then go from, okay, here we are, how'd you become this renowned cosmetic dentist, getting on TLC, getting all the press, like what was kind of the way to get into that? Because I'm sure there's a lot of dentists who want to live your dream. How did you do it?

Dr Pia (09:04)

I think the

way in was truly like in 1998 or 99, I don't remember what year it was, but it was the first gen art fashion show for Fashion Week in New York where they took up and coming young designers and they had a private fashion show with about 10 of small up and coming, which we don't have anymore. mean, New York Fashion Week is no longer what

used to be. But I go there and I had a patient from Belgium who had a really good friend who was an up and coming crazy French designer and he was showing the runway and I just basically went with her and I remember that we were after the fashion show there was a VIP with champagne and we got these wristbands and so forth and my

my patient was, you know, late 30s, single and ready to mingle. And there was this really cute male model that did the runway for ⁓ another designer that wasn't as big. And she was like, my God, he's so cute. And here I was, I had no makeup on, right?

Kiera Dent (10:07)

Yeah.

Dr Pia (10:23)

this long Margiela dress and I have like Doc Marten boots, my hair up in a ponytail, just like mascara and red lips on. And I went up to this guy and I said, hi, I'm Dr. Pia. You know, my friend Jacqueline wants to meet you. And he had this woman who was next to him and she was like, you gotta talk to me. I'm his booker. I didn't know what a booker was. So I'm like, what's a booker? I thought it was like the, you know, betting on horses, know, like booking, you know, that's what I thought.

Kiera Dent (10:47)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dr Pia (10:53)

And basically, ⁓ I was like, No, no, no, I'm just, you know, we're going behind if you guys want to come and join us at the after party behind and he was like, great, she goes, No, no, no, we can't go anywhere. You got to go through me. And I'm like, Okay, I said, Look, I'm a cosmetic dentist. And back then we had cards, right? So I was like, Here's my card. She goes, I want one, too. And I and

Yeah, that was it. had some drinks afterwards. And she was like, Yeah, I want to come in as a patient. I have to come in first before he comes in. Because he said he needed his teeth done. I was like, okay, so the next morning, I'm like, live it at like nine o'clock. I call Wilhelmina who was like back then the number one modeling agency for men. And I call and I'm like, Can I speak to Jennifer and

Kiera Dent (11:32)

Yeah.

Dr Pia (11:47)

She picks up the phone. I'm like, hi, it's dr. P again. I'm like, I just want to make it really clear I'm married. I do not I am NOT picking up on on your male model It was my friend who was interested just making putting it out there and being totally transparent. So she's like fine I Want an appointment so I booked her and the moment that I booked her She introduced me to the modeling industry. So then I started getting all the models

Kiera Dent (11:57)

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (12:13)

the supermodels, I got everybody in and I think that's how it all started with the press and everything because they've seen my work with the modeling industry and that's how kind of it all started and the thing with me it's always been privacy it's I've never named names I will never name names because it's like plastic surgery if you're going to go in and get a facelift do want it to be plastered all over the press I don't think so so it's the same thing with veneers I mean I do very

natural handmade porcelain and the whole secret that I think to my success is I've never gone into that chicklity white Hollywood smile the toilet bowl teeth or the turkey teeth as now they all go to Turkey to have them done well I've never done that so for me I've always followed what I believe in and did the best that I can and I think that that is as long as you love what you do

Kiera Dent (12:55)

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Dr Pia (13:12)

and try to be the best that you can be. think the universe, no matter what God you believe in, you know, I think the universe gives it back to you.

Kiera Dent (13:23)

I think, well, and also what I heard from that is kudos to you for just going and meeting people and for being out there. Like, I don't think people realize the power of connections, the power of human interaction, the power of who you know. I think we're in such a society where it's all online and we just think, which you can still connect online, but like, don't be afraid to say hi to people. Don't be afraid to introduce yourselves and...

Like I said at the beginning, Dr. Pia, it's very rare that I bring on clinical guests to the podcast. So I'm curious, you work on supermodels, you work on really incredible people. I have a doctor, which we will not name names either, who works on movie stars in LA. so I have a couple of questions and if you don't want to answer by all, you probably do. We will chat post show and see, exactly off call. ⁓ But.

Dr Pia (14:07)

I probably know him. If it's it, we'll do it all off, off.

Kiera Dent (14:15)

I'm curious, Dr. Pia, just for listeners to know, what is like, I'm gonna ask a few questions and like I said, privacy and respect are my number one. So if there's something that you're like, I'm not gonna answer by all means, audience just know Dr. Pia is so kind to come onto the podcast for us and I did not prep her because I never know what I'm gonna ask. It's just a genuine curious host over here wanting to know, what are the average cases like dollar wise, our low end to our high end of cases that you're doing?

I just want people to know, because I think people do not believe that this is real life dentistry and it can be.

Dr Pia (14:51)

You're talking about veneers or you're talking about all the procedures. Veneers. Veneers are from three to 45, 100 or two. It depends. mean, if someone is a massive grinder and I've got issues with them.

Kiera Dent (14:54)

I would say let's do veneers and then let's do other procedures.

Dr Pia (15:12)

having, you know, doing the grinding at night, felspathic, I'm a little bit weary of doing that and I'll do the 3D printed. ⁓ As much as I'm not the greatest fan of doing that, I would rather keep them in a night guard and let them have the beautiful teeth. But it basically is... ⁓

Kiera Dent (15:19)

Totally.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (15:35)

You know, for the handmade porcelain, I mean, there are some people out there that are charging over five. And I think that's just a little bit exaggerated because I know how much it costs me to make. think, you know, 4500 is a fair price. You don't have to go above five. I think that's just the ingredient.

Kiera Dent (15:42)

Totally.

Sure.

Mm-hmm. Which I appreciate that you say that, especially with the press and with the people that you worked on. You have an opportunity to charge more, but you're also being ethical and fair, which I think ties to the passion, the love, the reason people can trust you. So how many veneers, this is like, now I'm gonna just be like a nerdy patient. How many, because I feel like a lot of people just want like the four veneers and then the six and then.

Dr Pia (16:15)

Alright, come on, bring it on!

Kiera Dent (16:20)

Do you just do all of them? there a space where clinically you recommend like we stop here for smile lines? What's kind of your, what's your, what's your clinical excellence on this? What do you recommend?

Dr Pia (16:25)

No!

I think you should have either one or as many as you need. think the biggest problem and the... Okay, now you got me. So my competition in New York will only do 10. And he's my former student.

Kiera Dent (16:37)

I'm ready. She got fired up everybody. Juicy like sits up.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (16:51)

which is even more infuriating to me. Like I so disagree because I think if you have a beautiful smile and let's say you fell and you've had a root canal and the tooth is starting to change color. I think if you're a good clinician and a good clinician is a cosmetic dentist, I don't believe a GP could do this. Okay. And men, we have the issue with 40 % are colorblind. So that's another issue altogether.

Kiera Dent (16:52)

That's

I do remember there was a girl in dental school who couldn't like really see and I was like, how do you like she couldn't see colors and I'm like, how do you, how do you, how do you get over that as a dentist? I'm just curious. I can't check the color, right? Okay, so making sure you think that you can do one if you're a good clinician, which is, love this. Cause people tell me all the time, you can't do one.

Dr Pia (17:29)

Well, they get the dental assistant to choose the color.

I do one. do one. So I do one.

I do one. I'll do two. If you're if you ground I do four.

I'll do six, I'll do 10, I'll do 12. If the person has a really big smile and it's a color correction like a tetracycline case, then I have to do 12, you know, like, because it depends if you're someone that has this uber large mouth, then and you when you smile, you go back to the second molars, you have to do it. But I feel that this whole entire ⁓

doing 10 or nothing. think that is so unfair to the patients. And I think it's such bad karma as well, because it's going to come back and bite you later on, because I don't feel that everyone has to have that many done. And the other thing that I'm actually known for is the fact that I don't believe that

you have to necessarily file the tooth down. If the teeth are in the correct position, okay let's back it up. If the teeth are not in the correct position do Invisalign first and then do the handcrafted veneers because the way I do them they're as thin as a contact lens so there is no drilling needed. Anytime why I wouldn't want anyone to drill my teeth to put veneers on why are you taking away to add on it's an

Kiera Dent (18:42)

Love.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (19:08)

moron right so if you are a true cosmetic dentist and know how to do this and have the right support of the right ceramist they should be see-through

Kiera Dent (19:09)

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Dr Pia (19:24)

So if that's the case, there's no drilling involved. And if you need only one, just do one. There's no reason to spend that money on doing more if you don't need them.

Kiera Dent (19:32)

It's incredible.

which I'm so grateful to hear this. This is why I was so excited. I'm like, I have so many questions about this and I'm just curious of how you do it and to hear that being really talented at this, you don't need to do more than that because I hear all the time like, well, if you only do four, then you're gonna see it, but I don't disagree with you. think if you're good at what you, and this isn't just dentists. I also think dentists, well, I'm gonna go out on a limb. Now I'm fired up to be, like, here we go.

Dr Pia (20:02)

No, no, they

want the money. It's clear as day. They're doing it for the money.

Kiera Dent (20:06)

Right.

Well, and also I'm like, if you're not good enough to be able to do one without it looking like a chicklet, I might question, you good enough to be doing this in general? And that I know is a very bold statement, but I might get really good at this. I don't disagree.

Dr Pia (20:18)

No, they should not be doing them. I'm sorry, they should

not be doing it. And with felspathic, with the handmade porcelain, it... I can't say it enough. One is not a problem.

Kiera Dent (20:35)

Okay, let's talk about different labs and how do you choose a good lab for ceramic, for cosmetic cases? Like what's the difference? I mean, I've heard some people that are printing ⁓ Emax crowns for the front and I wanna like cringe and I'm like, ⁓ that feels really bad. So let's talk about like, how do you pick a good lab? What's the difference of a good lab? How is it handmade versus not? Like what are some of those nuances within the cosmetic world that really make a difference on being able to do one versus having to do eight to 10?

Dr Pia (20:48)

No, no, no, no, I didn't write.

Kiera Dent (21:03)

because you're gonna see lines and it's gonna look different.

Dr Pia (21:06)

Okay, so I'm a nerd. I'm going to give you the whole entire background. Okay. ⁓ So basically the handmade porcelain is felspathic and it can be as thin as 0.16 of a millimeter, which is technically a contact lens. Okay. It's thinner than your natural fingernail, not with gel on it or powder, you know, polish. I'm talking about a natural fingernail. So having said that,

Kiera Dent (21:08)

I love it. I want this.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (21:33)

Now in the way that those are made they're done on platinum foil so you take the model of the teeth they put platinum foil which is also like super super thin microns it's you know anywhere between 10 microns 20 microns okay and then on that porcelain on that platinum foil the porcelain multiple colors multiple translucencies get added on and that's

the veneer is made. Okay so that's how we're able to have them super thin. The 3D printing, different story altogether. So 3D printing needs to have minimum

Kiera Dent (22:05)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Dr Pia (22:17)

between 1.5 to 2 millimeters of thickness. So those right there are thick. Okay, so that's why you need to file. Otherwise, everything is gonna be out. That's why they need to do 10 because they can't match the flatness of a natural tooth. So those are done by a computer. So what you do is you scan with the feldspathic. You still have to take good old fashioned impressions because the model has to be poured in

Kiera Dent (22:22)

Right.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (22:47)

it cannot be on plastic to do the platinum foil. With the 3D printing, with 3D printing veneers and crowns, you basically just scan the tooth, send it via, you know, the cloud. It gets to the lab, they print out the model, and then they start designing the shape and the size of what they want the veneer or the crown to look like.

Kiera Dent (22:51)

Interesting.

Dr Pia (23:14)

and then they have this block which is like about this big and it's like a disc it's like an oversized hockey puck okay and out of those they usually get out of those hockey pucks usually they get 25 crowns and veneers like either or okay ⁓

Kiera Dent (23:22)

Mm-hmm. Okay.

Sure, okay.

Dr Pia (23:35)

Now those blocks you have to understand they come in one solid color and very opaque hence why they look like toilet bowls like you can see like ⁓ Simon from What is it the the show with America's Got Talent right now his teeth walk in before him

Kiera Dent (23:55)

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (23:58)

They're so white and chalky. He had them done and they're too big, personal. I mean, I think they're too, he's too horsey. He should have stayed with the veneers he had before because they looked more natural and.

Kiera Dent (23:58)

It's true.

Dr Pia (24:12)

But that's the problem. If you have them very, if you have the 3D printed, the opacity is one solid, you know, base that the computer then drills that hockey puck to form the crowns and the veneers. So you're never going to get the aesthetics of having incisal translucency or having a halo or having them nice and flat. You're not, because the computer is going to make them the thickness that

Kiera Dent (24:33)

right?

Dr Pia (24:41)

They cannot drill those any thinner than that because they're going to break.

Kiera Dent (24:46)

So this is fascinating and I love this because now I have more quite like being an assistant, also having worked in this, also having gone to labs, also having like things done for family and friends that I know. Are you a fan of custom shading where you send your patients to the lab or how, okay, so how do you get it to where it's like a perfect shade match, like consistently, any tips that you have to make it to where it is really that absolutely perfect, making your smiles.

Dr Pia (25:04)

Hell no.

Kiera Dent (25:15)

beyond perfect without sending them to a lab. Because I think a lot of people hold back and they're like, I've got to send it. But I've seen a lot of dentists where they'll try to put the shading in, they try to put the translucency in. This is no knock on dentists. This is like, hey, we've got an expert here. Let's ask how she does it so we can all rise up.

Dr Pia (25:30)

Okay, honestly, I take the patient to the window. My whole main thing is every single office that I've built, I need to have windows that are five feet tall.

and sunlight. So I'm able just to move the patient to the window. And that's where the talent comes in. I'm able to take shade without a shade guide. I mean, I'm at that point, but I've been doing this for decades now. So it's like at the beginning, I wasn't so I would do the shade guide and I would write it on a piece of paper and just be like, okay, the neck is an A two and then we have an A one body and then we have translucency of two millimeters and a halo and I just draw it.

Kiera Dent (25:41)

Fascinating.

Dr Pia (26:10)

and then they would make every single veneer with the same recipe. It's almost like cooking. But the window and natural sunlight is the key. Because all these computers that you put up against your tooth, all due respect.

Kiera Dent (26:15)

I see. Mm-hmm. Yep. Mm-hmm.

That's great.

they shade it differently.

Dr Pia (26:29)

it's not only

that you have to understand everybody's tooth is a different length okay like your centrals are fairly long for the average person right that particular shade guide is not going to read color on your tooth that you probably have 12 millimeter long centrals and i'm diagnosing you over the video right so that particular

Kiera Dent (26:35)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Hey, thank you. Yeah.

Dr Pia (26:58)

light source is not going to be able to read 12 millimeters perfectly from the gum line to the incisal. It's just not going to happen. You're going to need and if you're not good at taking shade, go do endo or oral surgery or ortho.

Kiera Dent (27:07)

Right.

It's true cosmetic is about I feel it's about the precision. It's about the aesthetics and like there I mean I hire designer to do my house. I'm not going to do it. I know that that is not my forte. I'm really good at other things, but I'm not good at color matching and what goes well together and how to put this together. It's just not my strength and skill set and I really do believe like this is what I think going back to your original professor speaker lecturer who

completely dash your dreams. I think maybe possibly what he meant was, I think there's some people who have a natural eye for cosmetic and aesthetics and there's other people who maybe don't. And I think you can adapt it and evolve it and become, and you have clearly proven that. But my guess is, I mean, hearing that you're even on fashion week, my hunch is you already by default had a very strong fashion aesthetic. Maybe you didn't, but I would guess that that kind of has been a part of you.

Dr Pia (28:07)

No, I did. did.

And you know, I do like my own makeup and I know my colors and things like that. And so that helped. I have to say that really did help me quite a bit.

Kiera Dent (28:11)

Mm-hmm.

which is why you were drawn

to this. You had the passion, fire, because you already knew that.

Dr Pia (28:21)

And I loved it and I was like, how can I? And then what the other thing is like, you may not know you have it. So the other thing what I say is buy some art books. That's what I did. Buy some art books. Get to learn the difference between the chroma and the hue and just take a couple of art classes and see if you have it.

And if not, what can you pick up and learn from those art classes if you really want to do it? And I'm not trying to be sexist by any means, but I do think that women are better at it because of color. And I think we're a lot more patient because the way I do it is I do diagnostic wax ups on every case, whether it's one tooth, unless it's even with the prepless veneers where I don't touch the tooth.

Kiera Dent (28:52)

Yeah.

Dr Pia (29:16)

I still do the wax ups to see I've had all let me backtrack a little bit but I've had every single 2d program

in the last what 16 years that they've been out more than 16 years okay and it's not the same when you see yourself in a photo with the size and shape and color that you might want okay it's like using it's like using the apps to change your hair color i'm

Kiera Dent (29:32)

Wow.

I agree.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (29:50)

the strongest belief that if you do want to change your hair color, I think you should try on a wig and wear it for a couple of days. So that that whole entire ⁓

Kiera Dent (29:58)

Yeah, I don't disagree.

Dr Pia (30:03)

philosophy that I have what I do is I do the diagnostic wax-ups I do the indexes and without drilling the teeth the patients come in and I pop it over their teeth, you know with the Luxe attempt, know the temporary material that sets over it and I tell them to walk out with it and You know, it's not bonded on or anything. They can just take their fingernail and just pop it all off But go out let your family see it. Let your partner see it. See how you feel. Is it too long?

Kiera Dent (30:22)

Mm-hmm.

Dr Pia (30:33)

Is it too square? Is it too round? I'm allowed to have my opinion, but you're paying me and if your opinion is different than mine You have you should have the right as a patient to get what you want. Not what I want We have to come somewhere in between sometimes like I'll put my foot down and I'll be like you really don't want them that way

Kiera Dent (30:49)

Mm-hmm. And I'm glad...

You're right. We don't want them to make a statement before you walk in the room. That's what we're going to just highlight here. But hey, if you want white white, like at the end of the day, that's what they're going to have. I love that you, ⁓ I think this is probably what's made you really great. I don't know. I've heard a lot about you. But I think what you do is you make sure that the patients are obsessed with the results and not that Dr. Pia is obsessed. Like you're obsessed with the craftsmanship of what you've done.

You're really talented at that. But like hearing that you let people walk out and go try these on and what is it going to be like before you do it? That to me says that you are so obsessed about the outcome and the result for the patient. And then your job is to make sure you have the most excellent craftsmanship, the best product, the best techniques, the best method to get them the outcome they want. And I think hearing that, I'm just so proud of you. And I'm so grateful to hear that there are clinicians in our industry that

are obsessed about that rather than the reverse. Because I think some people are obsessed about maybe the dollar, maybe about doing these types of cases, but they're not the best at it, or this is what I think that they should look like. You really want to make sure that that patient is like a walking raving fan of you before you even do the work on them. And that I think is very special about you.