In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you details of what happened in court when Lucy Letby was handed a whole life order.

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Caroline and Liz explore who exactly is Lucy Letby? And examine how this ordinary ‘girl next door’ went on to become the worst serial child killer in modern times.

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Today nurse Lucy Letby has been found guilty of murdering and attempting to murder babies in her care. Caroline and Liz go over the verdicts and give you all the details from the steps of Manchester Crown Court.

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This week, while we all wait for the jury verdict, Caroline and Liz speak with Tristan Kirk, the courts correspondent for the Evening Standard in London.

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As we continue to wait for the jury to reach their verdicts, Caroline and Liz have pulled together more of the most memorable moments from their guest interviews.

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This week, while we all wait for the jury verdict, Caroline and Liz have put together some of the most memorable moments of their guest interviews.

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This week, while we all wait for the jury verdict, Caroline and Liz speak with Mike Dodd, a former reporter and long-time legal advisor for the Press Association. "If the public don't know what's going on in the courts, they've got no idea whether justice is actually being administered or whether the system is working." 

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This week, while we all wait for the jury verdict, Caroline and Liz speak with Polly Rippon – a former court reporter with 20 years' experience. In this interview, we hear why judges are eager to see more reporters in their courtrooms. 

Polly has told her court reporting students, “You might be in court and feel almost as if you’re intruding a bit into someone’s life. But actually you have to think of the greater good that you’re doing: you’re telling members of the public what's happening in court, that the courts are functioning properly, that the police are doing their job.”

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In this episode Caroline and Liz explain that the jury has now been sent out to consider their verdicts. They were asked to begin their deliberations after listening to the judge sum up the case for more than four days.

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In this episode Caroline and Liz outline the closing speech of Lucy Letby’s barrister, Ben Myers, KC. He tells the jury that the prosecution case is based on a presumption of guilt and not innocence. And he claims she is wrongly being blamed for mistakes in care at the hospital.

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