In this conversation, I sit down with Joe Farkas, a life coach and narcissistic recovery specialist, to unpack the dynamic between narcissists and codependents.I didn’t agree with everything he said. I pushed back more than once, especially on his claim that true narcissists never change. I brought up redemption. Healing. He didn’t budge. And that’s what stuck with me. His refusal to entertain hope forced me to reckon with something deeper: the kind of clarity he believes is required when dealing with a narcissist.We talked about the cycle: idealize, devalue, discard. We got into emotional addiction, spiritual gaslighting, and why so many codependents stay long past the point of knowing better. Joe doesn’t believe you heal by fixing them. You heal by finally choosing yourself.If you’ve ever given everything and still been made to feel small, this one is worth your time.See you on the other side,Eli