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The Understanding That Changed Everything: A Real-World Look at Quality of Mind
This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates “Before Psychology” — the secret source that exponentially increases peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation.
Trying to manage the mind is like trying to get dry in the shower without turning the water off.
What if the biggest shifts in life don’t come from trying to improve your mindset, but from understanding something far more fundamental about how the mind actually works?
This episode it's taken from a recording where Piers was on the Deadlines and Details podcast which is hosted by Matt Barrington Packer, who came on the Quality of Mind Open Programme in March 2025
Matt shares how Quality of Mind changed his life, after years of trying to stay calm, stay focused, or stay in control, he finally saw something upstream of all of that: a deeper layer of mind that changes everything from the inside out. No techniques, no hacks, no effort — just a shift in understanding that made the world look and feel different.
Together, they explore what sits behind this kind of real-world change, how it becomes practical without being prescriptive, and why so many people sense this truth long before they have language for it.
This episode explores:
The “aperture of mind” and why the same situation can feel totally different from one moment to the next
Flow, ease and clarity as natural by-products of a less self-identified mind
Why the mind’s “unreliable narrator” creates so much unnecessary pressure
The role of sensation, story and selfing in shaping our experience
Why mindset tools and techniques only ever offer partial relief
How insight — not effort — leads to real and sustainable transformation
What this understanding offers leaders, teams and anyone wanting a more easeful way of being
Why this episode matters:
This is not a story about willpower or mental strategies.
It’s a simple, grounded exploration of what changes in everyday life when someone begins to understand the mind before psychology — and why that understanding is so relevant for today’s world of constant change, ambiguity, and cognitive load. Matt actually called this episode on his show. “Is This It?” Mid-Life, Burnout & The Truth About How Your Mind Really Works
Resources Mentioned / Useful Links
3-minute Quality of Mind Quiz
Short Course
https://qualityofmind.online/courses/qomaudiointrocourse/
YouTube Explainer — What is Before Psychology?
here
Follow Piers on LinkedIn for regular posts and reflections
Subscribe to our YouTube channel for quick, powerful insight videos
TASTE THE MANGO YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself
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This podcast series explores a game-changing understanding of the human mind that operates “Before Psychology” — the secret source that exponentially increases peace, performance, and potential for any individual or organisation.
Trying to manage the mind is like trying to get dry in the shower without turning the water off.
What if the biggest shifts in life don’t come from trying to improve your mindset, but from understanding something far more fundamental about how the mind actually works?
This episode it's taken from a recording where Piers was on the Deadlines and Details podcast which is hosted by Matt Barrington Packer, who came on the Quality of Mind Open Programme in March 2025
Matt shares how Quality of Mind changed his life, after years of trying to stay calm, stay focused, or stay in control, he finally saw something upstream of all of that: a deeper layer of mind that changes everything from the inside out. No techniques, no hacks, no effort — just a shift in understanding that made the world look and feel different.
Together, they explore what sits behind this kind of real-world change, how it becomes practical without being prescriptive, and why so many people sense this truth long before they have language for it.
This episode explores:
The “aperture of mind” and why the same situation can feel totally different from one moment to the next
Flow, ease and clarity as natural by-products of a less self-identified mind
Why the mind’s “unreliable narrator” creates so much unnecessary pressure
The role of sensation, story and selfing in shaping our experience
Why mindset tools and techniques only ever offer partial relief
How insight — not effort — leads to real and sustainable transformation
What this understanding offers leaders, teams and anyone wanting a more easeful way of being
Why this episode matters:
This is not a story about willpower or mental strategies.
It’s a simple, grounded exploration of what changes in everyday life when someone begins to understand the mind before psychology — and why that understanding is so relevant for today’s world of constant change, ambiguity, and cognitive load. Matt actually called this episode on his show. “Is This It?” Mid-Life, Burnout & The Truth About How Your Mind Really Works
Resources Mentioned / Useful Links
3-minute Quality of Mind Quiz
Short Course
https://qualityofmind.online/courses/qomaudiointrocourse/
YouTube Explainer — What is Before Psychology?
here
Follow Piers on LinkedIn for regular posts and reflections
Subscribe to our YouTube channel for quick, powerful insight videos
TASTE THE MANGO YouTube and Sub stack all about Direct Inquiry, Explore for yourself
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