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Unlock the secrets of the past and secure the future with No Way Out! Hosts Moose and Ponch dive into the digital frontier with Mark Graham, a veteran of the U.S. Air Force and a key figure at the Internet Archive, a nonprofit founded by Brewster Kahle in 1996 to preserve the web and humanity’s published works. Often called a modern-day Library of Alexandria, the Internet Archive has grown from its early days of recording the web to archiving treasures like Grateful Dead bootlegs and Pentagon news clippings. This episode explores the challenges of saving history in the digital age—from emulating lost tech like Flash to harnessing AI’s potential to tackle humanity’s biggest issues. It’s a must-listen for curious minds eager to understand how we archive the web and why it matters. Tune in to discover how the past shapes tomorrow and why preserving it is key!

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John R. Boyd's Conceptual Spiral was originally titled No Way Out. In his own words: 

“There is no way out unless we can eliminate the features just cited. Since we don’t know how to do this, we must continue the whirl of reorientation…”

March 25, 2025

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