Mike spent months fighting with sleep.

Melatonin? Nope.

Sleep hygiene? Not the magic answer.

CBT-I? Let’s just say it had him sitting in the dark, petting his cat, calculating his “sleep score” like a mathematician.

The more he tried, the worse things got. Until he realized something HUGE — the best way to control sleep is to not try and control it.

This episode is packed with powerful insights you don’t want to miss:

• “I found tremendous power in letting go.”
• “I don’t need that much to recover from insomnia.”
• “At one point, I was literally sitting on the floor petting my cat thinking, is this really what it takes to sleep?”

This interview was such a delight. Mike’s story is real. His perspective is sharp. And his humor is the icing on the cake.

If you’ve ever felt trapped in the overthinking, overanalyzing, sleep-obsessing loop, this episode is for you.

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About Beth Kendall MA, FNTP: 

For decades, Beth struggled with the relentless grip of insomnia. After finally understanding insomnia from a mind-body perspective, she changed her relationship with sleep, and completely recovered. Liberated from the constant worry of not sleeping, she’s on a mission to help others recover as well. Her transformative program Mind. Body. Sleep.® has been a beacon of light for hundreds of others seeking solace from sleepless nights.

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